Wamoura + Debuffs

[Raizins]

I need some clarification on exactly how debuffs affect Wamoura. I've heard it is bad to debuff them (slow, para, blind etc) but don't know exactly why.

I've been told its a multiplier to enhance all of their AoE attacks and I've also heard it only is a multiplier for it's healing move Exuviation.

If it's only Exuviation: I play SAM at times and YGK each have a debuff effect. I'm wondering if its a decent trade off to NOT use YG or K when fighting the tougher ones (NMs etc).

[Jedimasta]

I think the more debuffs you use, the more HP it can recover with one of its TP moves.
Edit: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Exuviation

[Spekkio]

on the other hand, like aerns, it's handy to try to keep at least (or in the case of wamoura exactly) one debuff on the mob. that ensures that they can try to use their TP move to purge it and don't use something more irritating like erosion dust or medusa javelin.

[Drex]

Debuffs add a massive amount of HP to Exuviation, so enfeebling wamoura is bad cause they'll just remove them and get tons of extra HP out of the deal.

YGK is fine still, but just stick to one of them instead of stacking all 3 enfeebs on it.

[Tricen]

Gekko on the zhyaloam dragon = bad idea. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[Max™]

Friend of mine wanted Exuv, so I figured it would be a horrifying death, but funny at least to go poke at one with War/Dnc and Blu/Nin...

What the fuck is the move they use that makes them go into hundred fists triple attack rage mode?

The way it started, with it just being VT and me having TP, I was actually shocked that it had quite mitigateable damage, then it did a TP move and just went fucking batshit and flattened us in seconds.

From:
110 Dmg

150 Crit!

108 Dmg

To:
158 Dmg
143 Dmg
196 Crit!
185 Crit!
163 Dmg
~
Maxaru was defeated by the Wamoura.

[Dammerung]

Erratic Flutter gives it a huge haste buff.

[Max™]

Ahhhh, I didn't see it in the log with the battlespam (DD, I like to see party dmg), but erratic is a good name, that shit is crazy, fuck the hell out of Exuviation, I would want that mega haste! :D

[Lordwafik]

Erratic flutter also overwrites Slow2, that's how big of a haste it is, so it needs dispel first then haste.

[fantasticdan]

Potency of buffs vs. debuffs I don't think plays any role in priority. Blu refueling is only 10% haste, but overwrites almost every slow effect I've come across.

[ringthree]

Erratic flutter also overwrites Slow2, that's how big of a haste it is, so it needs dispel first then haste.

*slow.

[ringthree]

Potency of buffs vs. debuffs I don't think plays any role in priority. Blu refueling is only 10% haste, but overwrites almost every slow effect I've come across.

Spy's Drink is also overwritten by Haste.

[Hanyoko]

I tried to Trunk Erratic Flutter's haste.... but It didnt let me. I think the game would have imploded if it let players obtain Haste of that magnitude.

I wonder if (and doubt) aura steal can yoink it.

[Alistaire]

on the other hand, like aerns, it's handy to try to keep at least (or in the case of wamoura exactly) one debuff on the mob. that ensures that they can try to use their TP move to purge it and don't use something more irritating like erosion dust or medusa javelin.

Wamoura will still use Exuviation with 0 debuffs on. You'll just see "...uses Exuviation...recovers 0 HP."

[Spekkio]

Wamoura will still use Exuviation with 0 debuffs on. You'll just see "...uses Exuviation...recovers 0 HP."

thought that only happened if a buff like a short lived silence from a gekko wore while it was readying the move. only place i fight wamoura really is salvage and i'm usually way the hell back for most of them since i'm usually on brd and don't get magic till 1 or 2 of them are down.

[Alistaire]

thought that only happened if a buff like a short lived silence from a gekko wore while it was readying the move. only place i fight wamoura really is salvage and i'm usually way the hell back for most of them since i'm usually on brd and don't get magic till 1 or 2 of them are down.

That would have to be some pretty exact timing...

[Spekkio]

That would have to be some pretty exact timing...

not really when you think about it. i was under the impression that gekko silence only lasts a very short time, but a ws can often force a mob to TP by causing it to cross the threshold that triggers TP every time the mob hits 100% tp. so the ws goes off, causes it to WS in response, then the buff wears as it readies the move. i'm fairly certain i've never seen an aern that hasn't been debuffed use depuration, so i assumed it was the same. i'm probably wrong though.

[Lordwafik]

Potency of buffs vs. debuffs I don't think plays any role in priority. Blu refueling is only 10% haste, but overwrites almost every slow effect I've come across.

Try it on a spider and you won't haste yourself.

I've stolen Qutrub haste with aura steal, and when the RDM hasted me, it had no effect.

[fantasticdan]

Of coarse there are priority differences, but it doesn't have anything to do with potency directly. I think each buff/debuff basically just has a tier coded into it, to which things will or will not overwrite, and things of the same tier can go back and forth. There are dozens of examples, a -10% defense frightful roar will overwrite a +50% defense cocoon, and vice versa. 15% hasteaga cannot overwrite 10% refueling. Most blu para/slow/sleep debuffs can't overwrite much of anything, even if the potency is higher or duration is longer.

[Halion]

When fighting Achamoth which is a long fight to observe a wamoura during, it seemed like he could use Exuviation with his TP if no debuffs were on, however we did have SAMs iirc so maybe not. If it had a debuff that is removed by erase it seemed to use Exuviation when it got TP every time, but if it was one that had a specific removal like Blind it wouldn't necessarily use Exuviation and if it did the HP recovered was significantly lowered.