PLD questions

[Kayos]

I shouldn't even have reply to you any more leakingvagNeosutra because every post makes you look more like a moron, but these quotes are pretty lolworthy.

You fucking said you didnt need the skill because you have reprisal.

Show me where I said that. No please I will be waiting.

You just took a back step when I posted reprisal testing results and showed you dont have a fucking clue what the spell actually does.

You didn't post any tests. You posted: "(after testing it for about 4 hours on the same group of mobs, block rate % increase was not even noticable above the standard deviation between mobs)"

I am sorry but your word doesn't qualify as statistical testing, especially when you don't mention the mob, the mobs level, other shield skill equipment, and any of the actual data/parses involved.

Seriously you need anger management or something to get so upset about this.

[orinthia]

Most of it boils down to what you're actually going to use your pld for. Some LSs might have a couple "main" plds and have a few 2nd+ job plds on standby in case the mains don't log in that day. If you don't consider yourself main or never use it as much as the mains do (at least rotate every so often, it can get mind numbing being one job all the time) then consider saving the merits for something else and instead maybe work on getting the pld category merits out of the way after other things are taken care of (whole other thread but generally sentinel, rampart, and some mix of fealty, chiv, and guardian merits are worth some time if you use your pld more then once in a blue moon).

Some LSs also may not consider hnms as their main thing. If you find yourself mostly logging in for things that rarely involve /nin tanking then you'll get a little additional benefit out of shield merits. Like dynamis, certain limbus floors, assault areas, or random other things you find yourself on pld for like possibly meriting (thf merit pts are fun for this) or soloing (/dnc is pretty amazing with joyeuse and high/capped shield procs but takes forever to kill anything lol).

I've had my shield/hp/some other pld merits for a good number of years mostly because I considered myself a main pld for my ls for quite a while. I was hardly ever on my war or drk during that time so I never bothered to merit weapons for them. (btw, a good 1500hp is about all you'll need for almost everything with very rare needs for more unless you use spirits within often)

Now I don't play as much as I used to (I'm kinda glad actually). Now I'm no longer a main pld since I don't log in for much or log in late. I'm getting more use out of my war and drk so it's time for me to merit the weapons I have them use most often, gaxe and gsword. Problem here is I don't merit often lol so that's pretty far down on my list of things to merit currently.

Just take a step back and see what it is your do with your pld or what you may find yourself doing with it and your other jobs. It's just another situational thing here that won't honestly make or break anything but it is nice to have certain things merited so you can give yourself a little more fudge room in one way or another to help your job(s) out.

[Raen Ryong]

ok so in another direction...

What do people think of Templar Mace for PLD? >.>

Templar Mace seems nice in situations where you do not need the immediate enmity from Macuahuitl; 10% more Cure potency is a great way of making your MP more efficient -- very powerful in lowman for this reason I would imagine.

I really need to pick up one.

[Lexa]

I'm not entirely sure what a "real" pld would be to you, but I don't see the shield merits as a make or break thing to have.

Sure they are nice to have and if you have the merits to spare I'd say get them. But, it is not a factor that determines if a pld fails at his job or not.

I myself went ahead and merited shield because I don't have a melee job at 75 and had the points to spare. Did it make a noticeable difference? Not really from what I can see, but I'm sure it helps to some degree or another.

It is amazing how butthurt ppl can get over such small and trivial aspects of this game.

Pretty sure a "real" PLD is a slightly bad wording, as it indicates PLDs without shield merits aren't "real" PLDs. Does seriously nobody get that the gist of the message is, if you take that job seriously - moreso than your other jobs - you will merit shield? If you're not a career PLD, then by all means - merit something else you'll get more use out of! But if you do consider yourself a career PLD, there's no excuse not to merit shield.

I've recently only gotten my second job close to 75 (NIN), yet there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of me ever meriting Katana, because I simply don't care about NIN that much. I'm saving my combat merit slots for future jobs I'll care more about - but there's also no way I'll ever remove my shield merits. PLD is my first priority job, and will always be, no matter how many other jobs I may or may not take to 75.

[Kayos]

Does seriously nobody get that the gist of the message is, if you take that job seriously - moreso than your other jobs - you will merit shield? If you're not a career PLD, then by all means - merit something else you'll get more use out of! But if you do consider yourself a career PLD, there's no excuse not to merit shield.

I get it, but it is much more fun to argue with extremists who make ridiculous blanket statements such as "You aren't a real PLD unless you merit shield." Keeps me occupied during the workday.

[kandiekane]

I'm pretty sure he meant career pld when he was referring to "real pld" . . .

[Neosutra]

I'm pretty sure he meant career pld when he was referring to "real pld" . . .

You'll have to excuse kayos, he is a bit dense . He thinks he can come and hand out insults and spout bullshit about a job he obviously knows nothing about and not get torn apart in return. You've "modified" what your trying to say 3 times now kayos and your only cover is to try and focus on me being a dick. Get fucking used to it. Act like a moron and get treated like one. Have you even played pld before?

[Kayos]

You'll have to excuse kayos, he is a bit dense . He thinks he can come and hand out insults and spout bullshit about a job he obviously knows nothing about and not get torn apart in return. You've "modified" what your trying to say 3 times now kayos and your only cover is to try and focus on me being a dick. Get fucking used to it. Act like a moron and get treated like one. Have you even played pld before?

Yes I have played pld, but no I haven't played as a "Real PLD!"

Does that help?

Btw: I was a 75 pld in march of 04, while you were probably doing genkai 2 for the record.

Keep the over-generalizations and blanket statements coming though I have a couple hours of work left and I don't want to be bored! And no I haven't changed my stance once fyi.

My stance: As someone who has multiple melee jobs AND a 75 PLD I feel that combat skill merits > shield skill merits when you factor other things in like:

1) blink tanking- and the amount of time shadows are actually down.
2) reprisal- I never said it cancels the need for shield skill, I said it has more of an affect on shield block ratio than 8 shield skill would. It also is easier than ever to get shadows back up because of reprisal.
3) 8 shield skill (just like 8 combat skills) will not make or break any job.
4) personal preferance.

Your stance: You are a fucking retard if you don't get shield merits.

Who is the idiot?

Edit: still waiting for the actual test results and for you to show me where I said you don't need shield skill if you have reprisal. Unfortunately based on your fabricated arguments I will probably be waiting a long time.

[Neosutra]

Yes I have played pld, but no I haven't played as a "Real PLD!"

Does that help?

Btw: I was a 75 pld in march of 04, while you were probably doing genkai 2 for the record.

Keep the over-generalizations and blanket statements coming though I have a couple hours of work left and I don't want to be bored! And no I haven't changed my stance once fyi.

My stance: As someone who has mutliple melee jobs AND a 75 PLD I feel that combat skill merits > shield skill merits when you factor other things in like:

1) blink tanking- and the amount of time shadows are actually down.
2) reprisal- I never said it cancels the need for shield skill, I said it has more of an affect on shield block ratio than 8 shield skill would. It also is easier than ever to get shadows back up because of reprisal.
3) 8 shield skill (just like 8 combat skills) will not make or break any job.
4) personal preferance.

Your stance: You are a fucking retard if you don't get shield merits.

Who is the idiot?

Edit: still waiting for the actual test results and for you to show me where I said you don't need shield skill if you have reprisal. Unfortunately based on your fabricated arguments I will probably be waiting a long time.

1. The entire god damned argument here is wether someone who is a serious pld should get shield merits. Unanimously it has been stated that a career, or "real pld", should get god damned shield merits.

2. You stated that reprisal would have more of an effect than 8 shield skill, which showed you have no idea about:
a. The actual % effect of reprisal.
b. The way shield skill works. The higher lvl the mob you are fighting, the more shield skill you need to maintain an acceptable block rate, and it all adds up. Not even getting into the fact that reprisal is virtually useless /nin.

3. This isnt a discussion on wether 8 shield skill will make or break the job, its a discussion of wether a serious pld should have them. The answer is yes.


You cant come into a pld thread and state shield skill is useless and not expect to be branded a fucking moron.

I stated before the benefits for shield skill are far more likely to save your life than 3% more accuracy on a melee job. Your reply was:

If only there was a spell that helped increase shield block rates that pld could use to help get shadows back up...

Regardless of what you "meant" to say, your implying that reprisal negates the need for merits and other shield gear, and thats even taking into account your edited fucking posts.

Seriously, stop posting in a vain attempt to save face and STFU.

[Judai]

You didn't have to even argue with him anymore after he said he has killed Cerb and been hit less then 5 times. He is full of shit.

[sirdude]

yes
no
1500+/400+
ballad
yes
mbody= what therin said.

[Valisk]

Btw: I was a 75 pld in march of 04, while you were probably doing genkai 2 for the record.

That's were I stopped reading. Being the OMG 1st (or one of the 1st) NA PLDs to 75 doesn't validate shit.

[Neosutra]

It doesnt even matter, Kayos already stated he wasnt a pld main, just some retard that has the job. Just not sure why he feels the need to spout misinformation in a thread concerning a job he apparently isnt too familiar with.

[kandiekane]

Also, you need to consider that in certain situations, tp moves that go through shadows can be shield blocked. In this case, shield skill merits will help more frequent blocks regardless of shadows being up at all.

[sirdude]

The answer to the shield merit question depends on your perspective. If you don't really give a flying fuck about PLD then don't merit your shield. If PLD is your favorite job and the job you are going to put the most effort into then do it. PLD was my 1st job to 75 and I base everything I do in this game on my PLD basically. I got a Knight's Earring back in the day when people made fun of me for not getting Suppa. I got a Sattva Ring instead of a Rajas. If you want to talk about shadows and all that jazz, I like knowing I have 4 shield merits when I'm casting Ichi. And I don't really give a flying fuck about any reasoning that would negate their usefullness. If the let me have 15 more merits I would put 5 fucking merits in everything including Holy Circle. If you don't merit your shield then you are an idiot and a fucking communist.

[Kuya]

Anymore needless arguing in this thread and there's going to be bannings.

PS: Moved offending posts.

[Fridell]

You didn't have to even argue with him anymore after he said he has killed Cerb and been hit less then 5 times. He is full of shit.

Hey this guy forgot to mention his LS used 5 tanks, hence he got hit only 5 times lulz.
But yea, if he got hit 5 times on Cerb onry it smells like the LS had shitloads of tanks there, and the guy saying this did not have hate very often.