Version Update Notification (07/23/2008)

[spooky]

<Warning spelling may suck at 2am >
Don't suppose there is anyone out there that's really good at dat modding and could mod existing PUP AF to look more like relic using the pic in POL. (I know it's tiny and not much to go off, but it should be mostly color (with no 'u' just for you Americans) swap right?
If you blow up the pic you can make out most of the colors. I'm very interested to get a sneak peak. ^^

[Maxxthepenguin]

<Warning spelling may suck at 2am >
Don't suppose there is anyone out there that's really good at dat modding and could mod existing PUP AF to look more like relic using the pic in POL. (I know it's tiny and not much to go off, but it should be mostly color (with no 'u' just for you Americans) swap right?
If you blow up the pic you can make out most of the colors. I'm very interested to get a sneak peak. ^^

PUPs are so fucking hardcore

[Jkun]

Just wait until september, jeez. WE'VE WAITED 2 YEARS, MAY ASWELL WAIT A FEW MORE MONTHS.

[Publius]

GAAA

God damn Dynamis, I spent 13 months there and got 5 PIECES OF ARMOR. I was first in line for Duelist's Tabard starting June 2007 and finally one dropped in MARCH 2008....(I'm still angry about it)

Unless they are massively overhauling Dynamis this is just going to be stupid. And think how many people will want the new stuff...? /laugh GL. I doubt I'll even try unless things change.

How to fix it: (Possibilites)
1. Give 1 Dynamis credit/run (kinda like Assaults points) that you can use to BUY a relic piece (50 credits let's say, but have armor still drop like usual.) Take chance out of the equation, because all it does is give DRGs full relic. (better damn well be retroactive too...)

2. Massively increase the drop rate. No more 2 relic Beaucidine, or 3 relic Dynamis-Windurst. More like 10-15/run. Come on, you have to get like 30 people together for it, in Nyzul Isle I usually get 2-3 drops/night and that only takes 2 hrs.

3. Have a standard drop item (ie Shrouded Xarcabard Armor) that you can trade to an NPC to get any relic from that zone....it makes sense.

4. Something else, idk, but if "increased Dynamis drop rate" is like 1% increase..../sigh

[ismarc]

GAAA

God damn Dynamis, I spent 13 months there and got 5 PIECES OF ARMOR. I was first in line for Duelist's Tabard starting June 2007 and finally one dropped in MARCH 2008....(I'm still angry about it)

Unless they are massively overhauling Dynamis this is just going to be stupid. And think how many people will want the new stuff...? /laugh GL. I doubt I'll even try unless things change.

How to fix it: (Possibilites)
1. Give 1 Dynamis credit/run (kinda like Assaults points) that you can use to BUY a relic piece (50 credits let's say, but have armor still drop like usual.) Take chance out of the equation, because all it does is give DRGs full relic. (better damn well be retroactive too...)

2. Massively increase the drop rate. No more 2 relic Beaucidine, or 3 relic Dynamis-Windurst. More like 10-15/run. Come on, you have to get like 30 people together for it, in Nyzul Isle I usually get 2-3 drops/night and that only takes 2 hrs.

3. Have a standard drop item (ie Shrouded Xarcabard Armor) that you can trade to an NPC to get any relic from that zone....it makes sense.

4. Something else, idk, but if "increased Dynamis drop rate" is like 1% increase..../sigh

City drops, realistically, are just fine. I did some statistical analysis of drop rates after 6 months of runs and drops being recorded. I did make a couple of assumptions, which so far is holding true. I haven't revised the numbers since we have another month of runs there, I'll probably do it again at some point.

The assumption made is that each piece of relic that CAN drop has the same likelihood of dropping and that each mob (not statue) has an equal chance at dropping the relic. The figures were based on number of drops per run, not percentage chances against number of mobs killed. The initial math was to actually determine when the next duelist's chapeau would drop. It would take 4.56 Xarcabard runs to have a 50% chance of any specific item dropping since the last item of the same type dropped. It would take 6.44 runs to have a 75% chance of any specific item dropping and 11.73 runs to have a 99% chance of an item dropping.

The final numbers for each of the zones (except CoP, haven't done enough of those to have any realistic numbers):
Xarcabard - 12 runs
Jeuno - 3 runs
Bastok - 2 runs
Sandoria - 4 runs
Windurst - 3 runs
Beaucedine - 6 runs

Using this, it's item A drops. x runs later, item A has a 99% chance of dropping. So far it holds true..Duelist's Chapeau dropped at run 11, thf gloves dropped at run 12, pld body dropped at run 11.

To be noted, for each Xarcabard run, we farm our way to the royal court, kill to DL, kill DL, then farm ~1 hour after DL goes down. If we're going for a weapon, it's the same thing only replace DL with the weapon.

It's clear that Northlands relics have insanely crappier drop rates compared to cities. Because of the patterns, I'm pretty sure that Beaucedine and Xarcabard are pretty much spot on. We're doing 2x each of the northlands and 1 each of the city (occasionally swap a city run for a CoP). I expect the city numbers to stabilize at 3 runs once there's a similar amount of data as there is for Beaucedine and Xarcabard.

(If anyone's interested in the math, I applied the "how long until..." using the "birthday problem" mathematical proof since the question was "when will the next one drop?"...ie, what size sample set is needed to have a 99% chance of seeing the same occurrence twice)

[Jkun]

Well as a head start on your CoP data, 15 Bubus and Qufims and not one Abyss Cape or WHM belt in sight.

[Publius]

Well the problem with chance is...well its just chance. By the numbers things should occur...but they don't sometimes.

I applaud you for figuring the math for those, but sometimes it just doesn't work out. For example, we went in a 6 month drought for RDM gloves and boots from Sandy and Bastok. That's with about 2-3 runs/month of each city. Mathmatically speaking, the chance of a drop of it from each mob is X%. But its like trying to roll a 445 on a 1000 sided die (or however SE drops work...idk, anaolgy), sometimes is just doesn't happen for a very, very, very long time.

Ya I know its just a game and life isnt' fair....but come on....give some loyal paying customers something to stay happy lol.

And I don't see why 3 DRG relic drop /run, no matter what the zone.

[ismarc]

Well as a head start on your CoP data, 15 Bubus and Qufims and not one Abyss Cape or WHM belt in sight.

But what's the number of accessory, -1 and NQ relic pieces that drop? With the assumption that each piece has the same chance to drop, the specific number of drops is what is important. If I had to guess, I'd say that CoP is probably around ~20 runs for accessories. It's also more difficult to categorize because CoP is different in that certain sets of mobs drop only certain types of accessories, meaning that it'd be x number of runs where you kill the proper mobs (and even then you have the threshold of how many mobs need to be killed for it to qualify statistically).

[Rocl]

Publius, you should probably should kill yourself and head back to 'zam.

[Publius]

O.o that was a bit uncalled for!

You first Rocl, you passive aggressive douchebag!

[Charismatic]

You might as well just stop posting, you're not going to last here.

[Ruiner]

GAAA

God damn Dynamis, I spent 13 months there and got 5 PIECES OF ARMOR. I was first in line for Duelist's Tabard starting June 2007 and finally one dropped in MARCH 2008....(I'm still angry about it)

Unless they are massively overhauling Dynamis this is just going to be stupid. And think how many people will want the new stuff...? /laugh GL. I doubt I'll even try unless things change.

How to fix it: (Possibilites)
1. Give 1 Dynamis credit/run (kinda like Assaults points) that you can use to BUY a relic piece (50 credits let's say, but have armor still drop like usual.) Take chance out of the equation, because all it does is give DRGs full relic. (better damn well be retroactive too...)

2. Massively increase the drop rate. No more 2 relic Beaucidine, or 3 relic Dynamis-Windurst. More like 10-15/run. Come on, you have to get like 30 people together for it, in Nyzul Isle I usually get 2-3 drops/night and that only takes 2 hrs.

3. Have a standard drop item (ie Shrouded Xarcabard Armor) that you can trade to an NPC to get any relic from that zone....it makes sense.

4. Something else, idk, but if "increased Dynamis drop rate" is like 1% increase..../sigh

HAY GUYS THIS GAME IS HARD WHY CAN'T SE JUST MAKE IT EASIER JUST FOR ME ^^

BTW if you take 30 people for anything but DL quit this game.

[Publius]

lolz maybe I has bad luck

[Septimus]

O.o that was a bit uncalled for!

You first Rocl, you passive aggressive douchebag!

That is not being passive aggressive, that is being aggressive aggressive.

[Kaylia]

HAY GUYS THIS GAME IS HARD WHY CAN'T SE JUST MAKE IT EASIER JUST FOR ME ^^

BTW if you take 30 people for anything but DL quit this game.

Grinding isn't hard, it's just fucking boring.

[terranova]

HAY GUYS THIS GAME IS HARD WHY CAN'T SE JUST MAKE IT EASIER JUST FOR ME ^^

BTW if you take 30 people for anything but DL quit this game.

Guess my shell should quit playing. We don't have the manpower for DL lol(Nevermind my sig. Just means I can enter xarca).

Anyway, for AF, I have some numbers to..

(DRG and DRK obviously doesn't count because for some reason SE wants these to have 100% drop rate. Especially DRK dropping 9826498256 times in Beaucedine).

Dynamis-Deathdurst= 4 runs: Every piece of AF dropped on each run. Weird
Dynamis-San d'Oria= 4 runes: RDM Boots have dropped 3 times. WHM has yet to drop. Valor Gauntlets 2 times. WAR//MNK legs 3 times.
Dynamis-Jeuno= 3 runes: RDM legs dropped only once(first run). RNG Hat dropped 5 times in the 3rd run. SAM has yet to drop. NIN 4 times. War mufflers 3 times.
Dynamis-Bastok= 3 runes: RDM hands dropped one time(3rd run). Besides that, Bastok would rather give wootz and other currency >_>. No other AF.
Dynamis-Beaucedine= 3 runes: RDM body dropped(2nd run. I wasn't at the run;;.) SMN Doublet(3rd run), WHM body(3rd run). Jackshit on the first run.

[Jkun]

But what's the number of accessory, -1 and NQ relic pieces that drop? With the assumption that each piece has the same chance to drop, the specific number of drops is what is important. If I had to guess, I'd say that CoP is probably around ~20 runs for accessories. It's also more difficult to categorize because CoP is different in that certain sets of mobs drop only certain types of accessories, meaning that it'd be x number of runs where you kill the proper mobs (and even then you have the threshold of how many mobs need to be killed for it to qualify statistically).

We've had 2 Bubu's where nothing dropped at all, even with two TH4 THF. (I know number don't matter). No accs, no -1s, no AF, no 100s.

The need to adjust CoP drop rate too, mainly because it's shorter, meaning less time for stuff to drop. -_-;

[Suteru]

lolz maybe I has bad luck

You shouldn't confuse bad luck with lack of skill

[Sagacious Sundi]

Except that Sagheera is from the Far East, Aht Urgan is the near east. Last I checked, Aht Urgan remains at war with the Far Eastern empire, so it makes sense that that PUP or BLU Artifact secrets might not be readily available; national security and all.

However, what does escape me is that the Seagull Phratrie(CORs), are at odds with Aht Urgan, so you'd think they'd be happy to spill the secrets of COR's Artifact to the Far East, and thusly come up with some HQ or Relic stuffs.

Actually, pretty sure she's from the Near East.

[Publius]

sorry people, its just so funny to tell someone with multiple sclerosis to go kill themself, har har