NFL Preseason Thread *Predictions/Discussions*

[Akiyama]

Also: I think QBing in that era was easier. Not saying he's overrated, but he didn't have to deal with the complex defensive schemes like there are now. Rice however, he is -inarguably (aside from deejay)- the best WR ever in an era that there were less rules catering to wideouts. I can see the argument either way.

Ah, okay. (See how easy that is? Give a formulated, straightforward response, and no argument needed.) But yeah, I agree. He was a beast and the best at what he did in my opinion as well. The thing about Montana gets me is all of those game winning drives he had. You could say that some wouldn't have been accomplished without Rice, but I dunno. I'll always love Joe Montana of the 49ers.

[archibaldcrane]

Joe Montana is the 49ers, but Jerry Rice is the best player to have played on that team, and he played for them for 2 more seasons than Montana did.

Montana's the face, but Rice is the best player in 49ers history.

[Plow]

If Favre wanted to play "to win" you think he's satisfied with just making the playoffs? He was knocked out of the NFC championship last year, if we was only wanting to play to win, it's winning the conference. The guy who can quote me out of context and intentionally leaving out vital pre-cursor information to justify his point is laughing at me. OK!

And the answer is Rice

Not being your Super Bowl pick makes them not a contender.

Arguing with you totally has a purpose.


edit: Sheesh the bears is freaking tough too

<3 the lions-- Barry 95.1%, 2nd place 1.7%

[Tyche]

Says the guy that's been insulting the management of the NFC runner up while saying things along the lines of "Favre will go anywhere he just wants to play" through the whole thing.

Then you quote me saying he'll be choosey about his teams, but bold an entirely different part to jusitfy your point, misrepresenting what I say. "Teams that aren't favorites" != "any team"

Re Favre: You have to be anti-Favre or completely oblivious to his mindset. He was willing to go to Tampa...you think that Favre thinks he automatically makes that team a championship contender. He has a better shot in green bay. Favre wants to play, it's as simple as that. Maybe he wants to be choosey about his teams, but he's obviously willing to play for teams that aren't favorites to win. Have you watched any of his recent interviews, because your point of view and reality seem to be complete opposites.

You'd make O-rielly proud the way you can spin. As I said, Favre will go to a team that isn't a contender, but he ain't going to the fucking Jets where he can rot in the AFC against the best team in the NFL.

[Plow]

Then you quote me saying he'll be choosey about his teams, but bold an entirely different part to jusitfy your point, misrepresenting what I say. "Teams that aren't favorites" != "any team"



You'd make O-rielly proud the way you can spin. As I said, Favre will go to a team that isn't a contender, but he ain't going to the fucking Jets where he can rot in the AFC against the best team in the NFL.

For crying out loud how willfully oblivious can you possibly be?

Or are you perfectly aware that you're wrong and just trying desperately to not be proven so by plow?

He WILL NOT go to a team that is not a contender, period. Just because you pick the Cowboys to win the NFC does not make them the only contender, and I don't think they're exactly looking to replace what they have.

I specifically LEFT THE SENTENCE IN when I quoted, (which you specifically tried to claim that I left it out) so that you couldn't say some bullshit like that to try and dodge the actual argument, and still you try to spin it around and call *me* fucking oreilly.

[Tyche]

You say that I said "Favre will go anywhere", then you quote me saying "Favre will be choosey". I'm spinning it?

Lol @ 3rd person reference.

[Plow]

You say that I said "Favre will go anywhere", then you quote me saying "Favre will be choosey". I'm spinning it?

*ALONG THE LINES OF*


For fuck's sake you said he might go to the Dolphins.

[Tyche]

I also said it was asterickR U M O R E Dasterick. I didn't hear anything come of that.

[Plow]

I also said it was asterickR U M O R E Dasterick. I didn't hear anything come of that.

So now you want to claim that when your arguments are ridiculous and dead wrong it's because you're just throwing out any random rumor you hear to try to support your personal belief on what you think someone you don't know is thinking?

[sirdude]

damn i had more shit to say about the greatest college player debate but that was 2 pages ago now lol. you guys post too fast for me.

[Tyche]

You have a lot of room to be talking about judging Favre's thought process after that plethora of posts about 5-10 pages ago where we went around.

[Plow]

You have a lot of room to be talking about judging Favre's thought process after that plethora of posts about 5-10 pages ago where we went around.

Hey look, I can act the age of your daughter too.


The difference is that I was right and you were wrong, neener neener neener.


Heaven forbid the possibility that if he actually went to the dolphins I'd go "oh siht I was wrong," since if you were in my shoes and that happened you'd start trying to go into how he makes them a legitimate contender.

[Tyche]

No, if he goes to the Jets, then I was wrong and have the biggest foot in mouth ever.

[Plow]

No, if he goes to the Jets, then I was wrong and have the biggest foot in mouth ever.

I actually agree that I don't think he wants to play for the Jets, I just completely disagree with the Vikings being even a remotely likely candidate, let alone the most likely.

[Kurp]

I really hope he doesn't end up playing for Minnesota.

[Plow]

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0...p-to-Jets.html

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oh also, word is Packers are asking for Griese and a 2nd round pick from Tampa

[archibaldcrane]

Griese? ...

Hmm. If that were to happen, and let's say Rodgers gets injured in game 6...who comes in to start? Griese or Brohm?

Maybe depends on how the season is going.

[recuperi]

I think the best way to describe Favre's situation is basically he hasn't asked to go to any of the teams that were in the conference championships for at least the last 5 years but maybe even more (no NFL playoff results list quickly available on google). Most of those teams already have a stable QB, so honestly why the hell would he want to go try to compete with a top tier QB that knows the system thoroughly already? It's not like he'll automatically transform any of those teams to his own.

Minnesota or Tampa Bay (or Chicago if you want to count that too) all have QBs that haven't been there too long, or in the last case just a failed transfer from college. He might have a legitimate chance to compete for a starting job, and I think each of those teams has the talent to at least have a chance to get to the conference championship, with good leadership. It would depend a lot on whether Favre actually kept in shape during the offseason too. I know he wasn't in camp for most of the preseason so he missed out on that.

What I really don't understand is why the Jets or Bucs are even mentioned. Pennington and Garcia are already pretty decent quarterbacks and getting paid high dollars to do so, and, at least in Garcia's case, have fairly good leadership skills. Why would those two teams even want to think about adding more of a burden on the payroll?

[archibaldcrane]

Garcia is a pretty good QB. Pennington is wildly inconsistent, has a bum shoulder that kills his throwing velocity/distance and hasn't even secured the starting job over Kellen Clemens, who is also meh.

Why take on Favre's $12m/year contract? Because they have the cap space and he'll make them better, and in the Jets case especially he'll put asses in seats as they are prepping to open a new stadium.

[Plow]

I think the best way to describe Favre's situation is basically he hasn't asked to go to any of the teams that were in the conference championships for at least the last 5 years but maybe even more (no NFL playoff results list quickly available on google). Most of those teams already have a stable QB, so honestly why the hell would he want to go try to compete with a top tier QB that knows the system thoroughly already? It's not like he'll automatically transform any of those teams to his own.

Minnesota or Tampa Bay (or Chicago if you want to count that too) all have QBs that haven't been there too long, or in the last case just a failed transfer from college. He might have a legitimate chance to compete for a starting job, and I think each of those teams has the talent to at least have a chance to get to the conference championship, with good leadership. It would depend a lot on whether Favre actually kept in shape during the offseason too. I know he wasn't in camp for most of the preseason so he missed out on that.

What I really don't understand is why the Jets or Bucs are even mentioned. Pennington and Garcia are already pretty decent quarterbacks and getting paid high dollars to do so, and, at least in Garcia's case, have fairly good leadership skills. Why would those two teams even want to think about adding more of a burden on the payroll?

Well, wherever he goes it's to start, he has a 12 mil salary.

I'm a little at a loss about Tampa too, I've lost a lot of respect for Chucky in the seasons since the Super Bowl, and considering that Garcia pretty much singlehandedly saved his job last year it's pretty disrespectful/careless/whatever to be jumping at the bit to replace him like he seems to be.

As far as the Jets, Pennington is not panning out, Favre, if he performs well, does make them a pretty good team. I don't think they can get past the Pats and Colts by any means tho, and that's why he has refused to look at them as an option up to this point. Pretty much any of the top 8 or so NFC teams have a reasonable shot at the Super Bowl if they get great performance from their QB.