Nyzul Weapon Information

[Isiolia]

Dual Wield works like haste, the more you have the larger the percentage taken from delay, so it wouldn't necessarily be like decreasing the delay of the weapon.

Being a 75 NIN, I am aware =P

However, the end effect is reduced delay, which could just as well be accomplished by making the weapon lower delay to begin with. That's my point.

If you assume a Perdu offhand (190 delay), a 225 delay Katana with a -5% delay DW bonus on it, plus Suppa/AF body would basically be the same as just having 190 delay on it to start with. 415*.55=228.25 versus 380*.6=228. That's where it'd catch up, any less DW, and the 225 with DW bonus would be slower.

Granted, different combos n' things may give slight advantages one way or the other, similar to how DW on Relic pants can slightly beat Haidate when solo for speed.

[ringthree]

Being a 75 NIN, I am aware =P

However, the end effect is reduced delay, which could just as well be accomplished by making the weapon lower delay to begin with. That's my point.

If you assume a Perdu offhand (190 delay), a 225 delay Katana with a -5% delay DW bonus on it, plus Suppa/AF body would basically be the same as just having 190 delay on it to start with. 415*.55=228.25 versus 380*.6=228. That's where it'd catch up, any less DW, and the 225 with DW bonus would be slower.

Granted, different combos n' things may give slight advantages one way or the other, similar to how DW on Relic pants can slightly beat Haidate when solo for speed.

You just explained why decreasing the delay isn't the same as enhancing dual wield, so... I don't really know where you are going with this.

[Weeks]

An extra dual wield trait is just a nice possibility because Nagi is likely going to end up close to the 37/227 figure. Stick a DW trait and an ACC/ATK aftermath on that, and dual-relic NIN gets bumped to the top of the pack with the other relic DDs.

Of course, the dev team seems to think that NIN needs to be changed into a level 30 BLM chain nuking, so of course it's going to minimally augment our ninjutsu nukes.

[barber2006]

IF it is 'enhance DW' (which I'm kinda hoping it won't because then I would have to get one) and IF the accuracy bonus during aftermath is fairly substantial......I wonder if this would allow an af+1 body/haste ninja to be able to use meat in more places.

And IF that is the case I wonder if af2 pants would outshine haidate? They are already faster if you have suppa and af body unless you have haste spell and at least one march iirc, and if you don't need the acc bonus from haidate due to the aftermath bonus, an extra DW trait would probably be faster even with haste spell and songs. Of course, damage between the new WS and :Jin would have to be similiar to consider this but it's not like :Jin is the greatest WS of all time........


Also, wonder how many whm's offhanding a kraken we are gonna see step to the front lines if MP return from Whm WS is as good as some are hoping for. Glad I'm capped on merits for the time being.

[tonystigma]

for all we know the thf dagger might give +200% hate to the person you TA.

Stop saying such sexy things, my girlfriend might get jealous.

[Isiolia]

You just explained why decreasing the delay isn't the same as enhancing dual wield, so... I don't really know where you are going with this.

I explained why it's very nearly the same thing, which is why it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to have on a weapon where the delay could be modified instead.

While it's already high delay for the damage, "Occasionally Attacks Twice" would more than negate that with extra attacks.

It'd just be a roundabout way of making it a faster weapon where other jobs are getting completely unique bonuses, basically.

[Weeks]

ringthree:

190 Delay without any DW enhancement is very slightly worse than 227 with 5% DW enhancement when paired with a 227 Delay katana, very slightly better when paired with a 190 Delay katana. They're not the same thing, but in the narrow range of katana delays they're pretty close.

And yeah, I think that if the katana gives a significant accuracy aftermath, AF+1 body is going to be awfully popular until Hachiryu Haramaki shows up. Throw another DW enhancement on there, and it's an even more obvious choice.

[Rocl]

The real question is wtf will Tizona have? Enhances "Chain Affinity" ?

In fact, I'm calling the following:

WAR - Enhances Retaliation
Monk - Enhances Footwork
Black Mage - Enhances Magic Attack Bonus
Paladin - Enhances Shield Mastery
Dark Knight - Enhances Souleater
Beastmaster - Enhances Charm, Enhances Call Beast
Bard - Enhances Pianissimo? lol
Ranger - Enhances Velocity Shot
Samurai - Enhances Hasso, Enhances Seigan
Ninja - Enhances Dual Wield
Summoner - Enhances Elemental Siphon, Avatar Attack Bonus
Blue Mage - Enhances Chain Affinity
Scholar - Enhances Modus Veritas


YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST, FOLKS

[Alistaire]

The real question is wtf will Tizona have? Enhances "Chain Affinity" ?

Depending on how much it gave that wouldn't necessarily be bad at all.

Is there an ETA when the rest of these will be released?

[eva00r]

Ring 4
Weapon with 170 delay or lower will gain TP fucking fast. With, 120 delay you will gain MORE THAN TWICE of normal TP/Delay ratio.

BTW Tizona,
I can live with triple stats modifier when you use CA or BA.

[Vajra]

Preimer sites said they only covering 7: RDM COR THF WHM PUP DRG and DNC, and those are already revealed, so maybe no more are going to be revealed >.>???

[Max™]

Last I checked there was no TP floor anymore?

[Rocl]

Depending on how much it gave that wouldn't necessarily be bad at all.

Is there an ETA when the rest of these will be released?

No more are going to be released, you won't see stats until September afaik

[Dayson]

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No more are going to be released, you won't see stats until September afaik

Oh that is quite cruel. Throw a couple jobs out there, just the few that the majority of the player base really don't care for, then leave the sams, plds, drk, etc hanging until Sept.

Of course I shouldn't be surprised, this is SE after all.

[Rocl]

Oh that is quite cruel. Throw a couple jobs out there, just the few that the majority of the player base really don't care for, then leave the sams, plds, drk, etc hanging until Sept.

Of course I shouldn't be surprised, this is SE after all.

Nobody cares about WHMs and RDMs. More at eleven.

[Priran]

Monk - Enhances Footwork

Enhances "Counter" by letting it give TP or Enhances "Counterstance" by dramatically cutting the Defense down effect plz

Enhancing Martial Arts would be fine too

[Tan]

Enhances "Counter" by letting it give TP or Enhances "Counterstance" by dramatically cutting the Defense down effect plz

Enhancing Martial Arts would be fine too

Enhances counter by giving it TP would be really nice, same for SAM's if they did something like that for Enhances Third Eye.

[liggy 0]

Oh that is quite cruel. Throw a couple jobs out there, just the few that the majority of the player base really don't care for, then leave the sams, plds, drk, etc hanging until Sept.

Of course I shouldn't be surprised, this is SE after all.

sams n plds are the 1s that get all the goodies, let all the other jobs get something first for a change

[Dayson]

sams n plds are the 1s that get all the goodies, let all the other jobs get something first for a change

This is true. I was hitting more on the fact that they choose to release info on some of the jobs and then hold back the others to keep us hanging up until Sept.

As a whm I'm not all that impressed with the club. The perma veil is nice, but I just wish they would've tweaked Divine Seal for whm, like reduce the timer or something, instead of adding this to the club.

Edit: Although SE could still tweak the job anyway... crossing my fingers

[Neosutra]

This is true. I was hitting more on the fact that they choose to release info on some of the jobs and then hold back the others to keep us hanging up until Sept.

As a whm I'm not all that impressed with the club. The perma veil is nice, but I just wish they would've tweaked Divine Seal for whm, like reduce the timer or something, instead of adding this to the club.

Edit: Although SE could still tweak the job anyway... crossing my fingers

I think they released info on these jobs because the others just require a good amount more testing to maintain balance. Enhancing any one of whms abilities and magic acc. isnt going to overpower the job, so no worries. Give dnc an extra step, np np. Start fucking with jobs that are already pretty strong (like war/sam/pld) for instance, and you have to get pretty delicate with what you tweak.

My HOPE for Burtgang is:

45 damage, 225 delay
"Enhances Rampart" (Gives emnity bonus like sentinal with AoE sentinal like damage reduction, mostly so I can split rampat and sentinal up for a good hate spike every 2 min)
Aftermath: "Increases Defense and Emnity"
Occasionally Attacks Twice

What I expect from Burtgang:

45 damage, 225 delay
"Enhances Chivalry" (Increases TP/MP restore ratio)
Aftermath: "Increases Defense and lolEvasion"
Occasionally Attacks Twice.

Im pretty sure it will be as gay, or as exactly gay as the second example.

Also, if the mnk weapon enhances footwork im going to puke.