Nyzul Weapon Information

[Gunslinger]

I just did a little dance ^_^

They'll probably "fix" it before the WS comes out, but I for one am looking forward to 3k WSs on birds.

Who cares what the mod is, Penta is 20%str dex and it's not stopping anyone from using it. And I for one welcome the new 50% Vit mod (it's suppsed to be job-specific right...). Us galka can dream can't we <3

[ringthree]

Still need to see what is the modifier.

3-hit 4-hit is not much difference if the modifier on 4-hit is crap.

Even without knowing a modifier, a 4-hit Crit hit chance WS with a 90+ damage weapon is pretty awesome.

[Therin]

Even without knowing a modifier, a 4-hit Crit hit chance WS with a 90+ damage weapon is pretty awesome.

Yeah. @_@

[Xanthe]

Indeed. The only thing that has me worried at the moment is if questing the weaponskill will set you back in any way towards questing the weapon i.e. your Nyzul weapon drop is consumed in the process (going on the assumption it is required to quest the weaponskill). As long as getting the weaponskill ahead of time doesn't make for more work getting the weapon down the road I'll be happy.

[Kyreth]

Add in that said WS can be quested, as well- meaning it can be used with more "standard" weapons. It certainly makes for a competitive WS vs. Penta Thrust.

[Reug]

Still need to see what is the modifier.

3-hit 4-hit is not much difference if the modifier on 4-hit is crap.

I absolutely LOVE your sig.

Edit: The pic of the Glanzfaust is enough motivation for me to keep going for them.

[Max™]

I doubt you will have to get the 1st stage, that goes against the entire point of "everyone can quest it."

Why wouldn't the mods matter?

fStr is always going to apply
Assuming you're over 2.0 pDif, Crits are going to hit 3.0~3.25
fTP for each hit after the first is 1.0
So, if you do the math for ZERO ws mods with a Dmg 90 weapon landing 4 crits (nevermind if you got two doubles, or used homam body and got a triple) it's going to be pretty rediculous.

ANY Ws mod is just going to ramp up the sexy factor.

I think it is very likely now that the Gaxe WS will be 3 hit crit + the breaks that match the animations (full effect Shield, Armor, Weapon Break) as opposed to just the three Breaks.

[Therin]

SE stated specifically (in Ganiman's interview) that you will need the floor 100 weapon to get the weaponskill, you just don't need to complete the quest and upgrade it.

Just hope it's retroactive because I've already traded in my Brave Blade, and I'm sure a lot of other people have too.

[Priran]

hopefully you won't need a runic key

[Therin]

hopefully you won't need a runic key

Well I have that, due to a series of unfortunate circumstances (i.e., a SAM decided it would be cool to WS at like 20% while I was warping and killed it).

[Priran]

I meant "you" generically. Getting a disc to 100 is a pain in the ass just for some WS.

[Max™]

http://bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60940

These weapon skills will also be obtainable by players not in possession of finished mythic weapons via completion of weapon skill quests, also new to the upcoming version update. Once unlocked, they will be available for use whenever a player equips a weapon of the same type on the appropriate job. Though the destructive power of the attacks themselves will remain unchanged regardless of the quest completed to obtain them, only execution with a mythic weapon will grant the powerful Aftermath effects. The new weapon skill acquisition quests were developed with the aim of affording all players the ability to enjoy some the exciting new content we have planned, while at the same time not diminishing the value and prestige of the completed mythic weapons. Whichever path you may choose to embark upon, we wish you the very best of luck on your adventures!

Given that the Ganiman quote clashed directly with quotes from several other of the premier sites, and this update note said nothing about getting the weapon to get the WS, just that it was intended for people without finished mythic weapons to be able to quest them, I'd say we need to wait before we can say for sure either way.

"All players" doesn't lend itself to assuming that you need to climb to floor 100 and get the correct weapon drop, though.

[Sagacious Sundi]

I doubt you will have to get the 1st stage, that goes against the entire point of "everyone can quest it."

I don't think you should get your hopes up. The fact that they used the words "finished/completed" is a pretty clear indication that it will. They could have just said "weapons" if they wanted to be vague. I wouldn't be surprised if it requires the first quest (Captain rank, Nyzul weapon, runic key, & beastking/Salvage/Odin titles), but that would kinda defeat the purpose...Although it *is* the second quest that's "hardcore".

Sorta-edit: I see what you're saying about "all players".

[Therin]

No, but the idea that you have to "choose" which path does, and SE said that.

For instance, use your Sturdy Axe to activate the Conqueror quest (whereas completing it also gets you the WS) or just use your Sturdy Axe to get the WS and forgo upgrading.

That's what it seems like to me, obviously it could mean something different. Also, for reference, here's the quote from FFXIclopedia:

So there is no confusion, straight from SE: "you will still need the weapon to quest the new weapon skill".

Also, from Stratics:

Rather, Stringing Pummel will be available through a quest, similar to that which earns the Asuran Fists weaponskill -- although reports are that the nonupgraded Nyzul relic will be required to obtain the weaponskill.

From Warcry:

What's so special about those new weapons? Well first of all, the weapon skill they bring forth are visually sunning and very effective, but the best part of it is, once unlocked, you will not be required to hold the Mythic Weapon in order to use the new Weapon Skill.

Not as clear, but still implying the same thing. As you said, it's not certain, but I think it's fairly likely. Also, of course SE wouldn't say exactly how to get it in the update notes, do they ever?

[Xno Kappa]

I'm praying SE would be aware that making Nyzul weapons necessary to earn the new weapon skills alienates a lot of players.

[Tekki]

I meant "you" generically. Getting a disc to 100 is a pain in the ass just for some WS.

Serious?... So easy compared to a lot of other things. Especially if you are captain.

[Reug]

I'm praying SE would be aware that making Nyzul weapons necessary to earn the new weapon skills alienates a lot of players.

I doubt it seeing as they can't even deter the amount of schedules and effort put into nyzul isle & salvage seperately. Not taking into account the work people put in on just one of those and then having to maybe even quit it just to get a WS? That's not cool.

[Lordwafik]

I'm praying SE would be aware that making Nyzul weapons necessary to earn the new weapon skills alienates a lot of players.

Not really. Go do nyzul, it's not hard. It's easier than limbus, and getting limbus gear has alienated nobody. Nobody but the lazy.

[Byrd]

I'm praying SE would be aware that making Nyzul weapons necessary to earn the new weapon skills alienates a lot of players.

Funny. I'm hoping they do so having the WS actually means something. Maybe not much, but something. Worst comes to worst, find someone who has a Runic Key and is at level 96 with the job you want and pay them to take you.

[Gwynplaine]

Serious?... So easy compared to a lot of other things. Especially if you are captain.

The group I go with took some time off nyzul to get everyone captain rank. Sounds daunting but it didn't really take that long. Now that everyone has 5 tags, we can potentially move someones disc the entire 1/4th of nyzul isle in one night while 2 of 6 already have a 100f disc. It's not really that hard, the hardest part is finding consistent people you trust to go with who don't turn into 8 year olds the second someone wins a lot on some gear. Even if you don't have a group you might be able to go with a friend who does and just lot the weapon if no one else wants it. They always drop so they aren't rare at all.

I wouldn't mind if they don't require owning the weapon, but I'd have to wonder what other kind of tedious task they'd have you complete in lieu of 100f nyzul (please god no 300 ws latents).