Counter effect from Seigan + Third Eye

[Starr]

Pretty certain SE said themselves when Seigan TE was coming out it's effect would diminish with time.

[RKenshin]

I don't think anyone doubts that.

[LinktheDeme]

Now does the counter effect chance lessen as time elapses or as TE's recast counter goes closer to 0? And no this is not the same question asked twice

[RKenshin]

It seems exactly the same to me... Whether right after I use it or later.

[Loziel]

Im pretty sure the ability to anticipate and keep TE up starts off strong and diminishes over time.
The other day while doing the Puk ISNM, It popped its clones while i had hate on Drg/Sam, I popped TE and got Eleven anticipates in very short succession before they got through to me. Was pretty cool

Before that and in the way i normally use Seigan TE, im usually lucky to see 5

[RKenshin]

Oh man, that's been said like 5 times in this thread now lol... No one is debating the diminishing returns over time aspect of third eye, at all. It is 100% known to be fact and has been for a long time now.

What people are asking is what effects your chance to counter, and whether it increases/decreases over time. And, I believe it does not and is an equal chance to counter regardless of the circumstances/time past.

[Max™]

Yeah, pretty sure it's just your acc/eva/mob acc/eva being checked there.

There WAS a time when a counter prolonged TE effect, in that it didn't take an eye.

Now though you can (and I have) pop TE, get an anticipate, counter, and the effect drops, however it worked before seems to have been changed too, because I had a ridiculous counter rate at times, and now it's more in line with what is reported, 10-15% generally, once every two or three eyes it seems (assuming the 3-4 eyes average).

[Amele]

Yeah, pretty sure it's just your acc/eva/mob acc/eva being checked there.

There WAS a time when a counter prolonged TE effect, in that it didn't take an eye.

Now though you can (and I have) pop TE, get an anticipate, counter, and the effect drops, however it worked before seems to have been changed too, because I had a ridiculous counter rate at times, and now it's more in line with what is reported, 10-15% generally, once every two or three eyes it seems (assuming the 3-4 eyes average).

when was this time? I was away like the first month or so that seigan/hasso were out; but my very first counter when I got back from that break was one that took my third eye down.

I actually thought for a brief time that a counter would always cost me third eye haha.

[Trichocyst]

Anybody else notice a marked increase of TE length when you have seigan up but are not engaged to the mob?

[Max™]

After Seigan/Hasso came out, but before they adjusted Seigan/TE in Ballista.

I doubt that it was just me being lucky, since it was around that time which I hit 74, and while farming Bseals/Kseals started getting parrying skillups, and kept at it, soloing 74-75 on Ep's in Ule-tab (parrying 70~ > 130~ + a crapload of BS/KS too), and it was remarkably simple because Counters always resulted in longer TE's, and I was delighted to see a counter, since they never took the last eye.

After that update, I thought I was crazy for a while, because it wasn't listed in the details, and noone else seemed to notice it, but going from 2-5 Anticipates + 1-3 counters > 2-5 Anticipates + counters total was noticeable as hell to me.

[Amele]

well they adjusted it in ballista pretty fast (wasn't that like, all of a month later?) so it's possible I never experienced a counter before they stealthed it lol.

[Max™]

It might have been, I want to say it was a little longer, but I was in insane hermit mode up in Ule-tab at that point, I just remember killing tons of buffalo's, rabbits, worms, and bats, lots of parrying skillups, a bunch of seals, and Anticipates + Counters owning things and making me hard as hell to kill.

Between October 19th 2006 and March 8th 2007 is when Seigan/TE counters didn't take eyes, cause the march 8th ballista adjustment is when the change happened, I remember it was a while after hitting 75, I got to do a merit party, and a couple of other things like limbus/dynamis with it, and was in the middle of soloing another merit/skilling parrying more when the Mar 8th update hit, nerfing my super S/TE some, but giving Signet bonuses which was a good trade.