The gimp/confused/wtf player thread V: No ninurta's sash? GIMP

[Kaces]

pld doing "some dmg" with excal is by far an absurd statement, 8man khim with excal pld and gimp blu in 45mins is not something you see everyday.

[Avarice]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95...ible_excal.jpg

Excal is such a terrible relic. God damn!

Oh Eanae, you're such a funny person. Clearly the role of a Paladin is to do damage and not take it, oh how foolish we've all been. You are absolutely right. How could we all pick the Aegis over the Excalibur?!

Can you find it in your heart to forgive us?

[Jax]

Well I can think of one reason to fight the NM:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/...723_071425.png

Was only DD other than the BLU seen in the SS and they got the Sword for one of their PLDs, who needs DDs with Excal, wasn't even long fight.

Kaces: This is prob the fight you are talking about, maybe not though. Sat at 19-20% for good 10mins figure you were holding it for someone to get there, or fight would have been even shorter.

[Kaces]

that's the fight, and yea it took 15mins for the th4 to get out there

[Caclax]

the chances of you getting a ss like the one up there have to be pretty low given the fact that most plds wont be using much if any accuracy gear, epically if low man, i really hope these excal plds are not gearing for dd. given that, your accuracy will be pretty damn low on hnms, so even if you do get a few procs of the added effect it wont be very often unless you are extremely lucky. even on fafhogg i rarely see an evasion down proc from bravura with 85ish% accuracy.. i assume(don't know for sure) that the proc rate of the added effect on excal and bravura are the same.. cant base getting a 100m item on a rare 400dmg added effect that gives you 0 hate

[Jax]

Meh idk not even my LS, but you can see from timestamp how frequent the hits were and proc rate, I was just curious to see dmg from Excal not Demes acc, so didn't unfilter missed attacks.

[Kaces]

this isn't about "most plds" this is about plds with excals. and paladins usually dont sub war so what is the problem with acc eq? the pld shown in the ss keeps balanced hate with a co-tank while in dd gear eatting dorado sushi and dealing constant damage. hell it took another ls near 2 hrs to kill with full alliance.

[Karbuncle]

I didnt say it was a "good" ws set. Said it looks like a ws set. I mean come on, who melees in a thunder ring, warwolf belt etc... There are cheap better things and its just common sense. If he is truly tping in that set he is way beyond this topic. But id say he was just standing around in that set, I used to do that too when my tp set sucked, but my WS set was pretty good.

Its so sad to see THFs in that type of armor too :<, but as MarvoltaDogguy said, most THFs at 75 are just plain confused :___:
I have a Montague of gimp THFs, they're everywhere.
From Heart Snatchers, to full time Hecatomb.
its sad but true :___:

[Caclax]

this isn't about "most plds" this is about plds with excals. and paladins usually dont sub war so what is the problem with acc eq? the pld shown in the ss keeps balanced hate with a co-tank while in dd gear eatting dorado sushi and dealing constant damage. hell it took another ls near 2 hrs to kill with full alliance.

said pld should lvl smn.. this is like whms(lolizzy) who upgrade club to dd on a job not really ment to dd, granted when geared right they can its just seems silly to me to blow that much gil on something that you can get the same numbers from an ah dd / smn

[Therin]

An Excal PLD can throw on a Homam body in place of Valor and Fortitude Torque in place of Parade Gorget or Ritter Gorget and not really face any disadvantages from the lack of enmity. Also, since most PLDs tank in Homam hands/legs/feet and Swift Belt (for obvious reasons) and have capped Sword merits they've already got a substantial amount of accuracy. With Dorado Sushi (or Pescatora, if you're looking for more added damage on procs) you should get at least 75% accuracy. Excalibur procs at around a 10% rate, and that damage adds up fast. Stanislav's own out-parsing of all other DDs, including Krakendrks, on JoL proves this.

My point, unless you're a mongoloid you should be able to use Excalibur to its full potential and still do your job tanking with absolutely no issue at all.

[Robert]

Uh? I use http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=24376 while tanking and simply macro Ritter Gorget, Mermaid Ring, Hercules' Ring and Hades Earring +1 in for Flash, that gives me +20 enmity for that, and add in a Trance Belt for job abilities for a total of +24 enmity. I could add in BMask/Valor Breeches but I don't like to blink. That gives me >80% accuracy on Khimaira/Cerberus and hate stays glued to me while functioning as an additional DD. Therin: I have Fort. Torque but I use PCA because 10 accuracy > 6.3 accuracy when I'm just trying to proc the additional effect.

[S N K]

Honestly Therin I agree with you on that sword but I wouldn't knock the Sheild too much. After seeing Rykoshet tank that stupid horse and literally eat tons of damage with that Shield, Ring,whatever he had on, it's safe to say that for AoE spammy mobs like that, I wouldn't put it past an Aegis to perform well on par with an Excal.

It's all situational with me.

[Kaces]

AH DD/SMN isn't going take Khimaira out in 45mins and that's including get-thf4-to-khim time.

[Caclax]

so now you use melee plds on JoL too... i prefer the 20-30min blm burn where our plds stand out of melee range.. thats just me, you sure you get to 75% accuracy with just that? im not the best when it comes to the formulas, but that seems quite high. the main point im pointing out is the flaw in the design of the sword where your added dmg from excal gives you 0 hate, if this gave hate it would probably get a little more credit, but seriously how can you take excal over aegis on pld(aside from those plds who where already done/past stage 3 when shield was added) i dont see why you would spend that much currency on it, sure its a nice dd weapon for pld but thats really all, nothing to the main thing plds do

[Robert]

The point is: why not? Stanislav parses over relic DDs as PLD on Khimaira/Cerberus and his LS members are decked to the max. What other relic incorporates superior damage dealing to an otherwise non-DD job? The answer is none. I'm not defending my Excalibur, or my Aegis; I'm saying that if I can deal the most damage and take the least damage in one alliance spot, WHY NOT? We had for that Khim, BLU/THF(walmart cannonball setup) BRD/BLM, BRD/BLM, PLD/NINx2, RDM/DRK, WHM and SCH. It took us 45 minutes including the 10 minutes we held it waiting for a dualboxed THF to get there, if you can kill it in 45 minutes with half the people NQ linkshells take to kill it in an hour or more, why the fuck not?

[Therin]

I don't see why you keep referencing the fact that it doesn't add hate, Caclax. If you can't already cap CE on PLD you need to go play another fucking job, period.

Also, for reference, I believe I remember Stanislav saying that particular JoL also took less than 30 minutes, and he AFK'd his Excalibur PLD while two-boxing a RDM or WHM (can't remember which mage, but it was a mage) and STILL outparsed everyone else.

And yeah, PCC, PCA, Fortitude Torque, whatever, I don't have the former but I do have the latter. Couldn't be bothered to buy a Peacock when I already have Torques for all my jobs save DRG, which just hit 75 like two weeks ago.

[Aksannyi]

I don't see why you keep referencing the fact that it doesn't add hate, Caclax. If you can't already cap CE on PLD you need to go play another fucking job, period.

This.

[Stanislav]

The point is: why not? Stanislav parses over relic DDs as PLD on Khimaira/Cerberus and his LS members are decked to the max. What other relic incorporates superior damage dealing to an otherwise non-DD job? The answer is none. I'm not defending my Excalibur, or my Aegis; I'm saying that if I can deal the most damage and take the least damage in one alliance spot, WHY NOT? We had for that Khim, BLU/THF(walmart cannonball setup) BRD/BLM, BRD/BLM, PLD/NINx2, RDM/DRK, WHM and SCH. It took us 45 minutes including the 10 minutes we held it waiting for a dualboxed THF to get there, if you can kill it in 45 minutes with half the people NQ linkshells take to kill it in an hour or more, why the fuck not?

http://stanislav.ex-online.com/?cat=3
Backup proves all =)

Can any other relic let you claim Tiamat with 3 people, dmg it, have 2 BLM come to dd to backup. And still kill in a little over an hour? with 7-8 people?

As for the hate issue, it may not directly give hate, but a PLD equally skilled and geared as me has insane trouble keeping up with me on hate just from the melee damage. Excalibur can hit Khi or Tiamat for 200 dmg with a triple proc hit, and while wearing enmity gear... you do the math.

[Karbuncle]

The point is: why not? Stanislav parses over relic DDs as PLD on Khimaira/Cerberus and his LS members are decked to the max. What other relic incorporates superior damage dealing to an otherwise non-DD job? The answer is none. I'm not defending my Excalibur, or my Aegis; I'm saying that if I can deal the most damage and take the least damage in one alliance spot, WHY NOT? We had for that Khim, BLU/THF(walmart cannonball setup) BRD/BLM, BRD/BLM, PLD/NINx2, RDM/DRK, WHM and SCH. It took us 45 minutes including the 10 minutes we held it waiting for a dualboxed THF to get there, if you can kill it in 45 minutes with half the people NQ linkshells take to kill it in an hour or more, why the fuck not?

You could have just posted your avatar in response and we'd all understand

ikid. And in turn i agree with you >____> Only cause i've seen Both in action, and with Reprisal...

[Aksannyi]

/em didn't know Stan had a blog.