The Myriad Arms of Balrahn, cont. (07/29/2008)

[Faithe]

Meanwhile,

please don't let pup's six hit weaponskill be increase accuracy via TP.
please don't let pup's six hit weaponskill be increase accuracy via TP.
please don't let pup's six hit weaponskill be increase accuracy via TP.
please don't let pup's six hit weaponskill be increase accuracy via TP.
please don't let pup's six hit weaponskill be increase accuracy via TP.
please don't let pup's six hit weaponskill be increase accuracy via TP.


please let it be increase critical chance via TP.
please let it be increase critical chance via TP.
please let it be increase critical chance via TP.
please let it be increase critical chance via TP.
please let it be increase critical chance via TP.
please let it be increase critical chance via TP.

[LD]

Nah, it's probably just that the translator's horribly verbose, as was mentioned in another thread.

If they still make you do 'Duties, Tasks, and Deeds' after the first full upgrade, that kind of eliminates the purpose of cutting anything out. All of that is the long part. Killing Odin, the 3 beastman leaders, and the 4 chariots could probably be done within a single month. Getting the blood and the tokens while doing all 50 assaults is the real timesink here, especially since nyzul progress interrupts assault progress and visa versa.

[Faithe]

Yeah man, if you die to Magic Mortar that means you must suck.
AMIRITE GAIZ?

Since when do level60 get magic mortar?

[Jkun]

Since when do level60 get magic mortar?

*Cracks knuckles*

IF the BCNM is a one on one, it'll most likely be uncapped, which means if the PUP BCNM is against an automaton much like BCNM60, it's sure to get Magic Mortar on specific frames. Let's look at what other Automatons have Magic Mortar, oh look, Ob. That is, if you don't nerf him via commands.

If you can't change said Automaton like you can with Ob via commands, then Magic Mortar at low HP could be quite dangerous, however, I don't think it will be nearly as bad as Ob's default frame, especially if it's a solo battlefield.

Jkun, you must be a horrible puppetmaster.

Oh, didn't I mention? it was a fucking joke on Ob. I am a brilliant Puppetmaster, and before you throw around retarded comments like this, how about doing some research into who I am.

YOU LOSE. GOOD DAY, SIR.

Oh also, edit: Sorry for derailing, I'll stop nau, lul.

[Faithe]

Research? Why do you want to look up retards?

BCNM60? What BCNM60?

Do you mean pulling the string?

Do you mean artifact battle? That isn't a BCNM60.

Are you talking about ISNM? Which ISNM has an automaton in it?

Do you mean G5?

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Charismatic]

Slow children at play...

[Epical]

Faithe and Jkun, shut up and take it to PMs.

As far as the Mythic weapons go, I look forward to patch day to decide which I shall pursue. =D

[Sagacious Sundi]

Research? Why do you want to look up retards?

BCNM60? What BCNM60?

Do you mean pulling the string?

Do you mean artifact battle? That isn't a BCNM60.

Are you talking about ISNM? Which ISNM has an automaton in it?

Do you mean G5?

What the fuck are you talking about?

Jkun was comparing the upcoming battle to Ob and Pulling the Strings/ENM60.

EDIT: Also, someone once had the idea of exchanging unused cells for alexandrites, which I kinda liked.

[Attila]

"G5 II: The Maatening"

There's a new incredibly old dude you'll hate more than anything.

It's SE's master plot! They are training us to hate old people!

[Jkun]

Research? Why do you want to look up retards?

BCNM60? What BCNM60?

Do you mean pulling the string?

Do you mean artifact battle? That isn't a BCNM60.

Are you talking about ISNM? Which ISNM has an automaton in it?

Do you mean G5?

What the fuck are you talking about?

Calm down there, sport.

Firstly, quit derailing this thread even further. You'll just piss people off. Nobody wants to hear you fap your tiny PUP dick and cream your "knowledge" over people who want to read about these new relics. If you wanna continue this hilarious brawl, let's take it to PMs.

Secondly, I mean Pulling the Strings. Back before PUP got a whole bunch of useful attachments and heads to make this fight a joke, back even before we had half the attachments we have now, back when people called it "BCNM60", the fight could go two ways, either Fanta used incredibly easy frames that could be tanked at a distance while you killed him, or frames such as Harle and Valor that would engage you in close combat, making it a lot harder to tank both and focus on killing Fanta.

Let's imagine this same fight as a one-on-one with the master and automaton now upgraded to Ob-like difficulty, only it all depends on which frame is used at the start. I don't expect these battles to be easy, since so little information is known on them.

I know Aegis PLDs and Bravura WARs who died fighting Ob with me the day it came out, all so we could find out how to kill it. Guess they must be terrible at their jobs too if they died to a 2k WS, ho hum.

Discussion over! :D

[Jkun]

As far as the Mythic weapons go, I look forward to patch day to decide which I shall pursue. =D

It depends, if like, DRK gets something really useful I might do that instead, since 304 skill + a relic would be nice. (If they make Alexandrite believable to get, that is.)

That being said, a question; the RNG relic is a crossbow, which means, would the WS be a Marksmanship quest...? Isn't COR's Death Penalty also Marksmanship? Where's my archery?! D:

[Alistaire]

I don't read that as blaming it on us, I read them as saying that their original projections of the rate of alexandrite being introduced into the game were correct, but that they'd misjudged how much of that would actually be available for a prospective upgrader to obtain.

That is what they're saying, it's just bullshit. The rate of alexandrites being introduced into the game were far far below what would make these obtainable. This was just the roadblock to prevent anyone from getting one before stats were ready, but they seem to think this excuse of "lol u guyz are hoarding em" is even remotely believable. It's not, but whatever.

[Seraph]

That is what they're saying, it's just bullshit. The rate of alexandrites being introduced into the game were far far below what would make these obtainable. This was just the roadblock to prevent anyone from getting one before stats were ready, but they seem to think this excuse of "lol u guyz are hoarding em" is even remotely believable. It's not, but whatever.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. All they did was give people a few months head start on this quest, since it wasn't even finished yet. Gears could have dropped 10,000 stones each, but it wouldn't have done any good since the quest wasnt finished yet. They knew noone would finish the quest before this update, and they more or less admit that. It's not that huge a deal, I knew immediately when I heard the 50,000 figure that it was a block to holdoff progress until the quest was finished being added.

The nice thing, is at least it seems they are thinking through the new weapons and WSs instead of just adding more Relic Staff type garbage. If I had to guess, you either fight some incarnation of Balrahn, or you go through the Alexander Husk portal to fight.....something. Either way, sounds pretty cool. I like the 1-on-1 BCNMs and similiar fights.

[Octavious]

Also, my guesses for the new ways to obtain alexandrite:
-Chariots, with command chariots (bosses) dropping extra or something super special (I don't think -any- chariot drops them currently)
-Nyzul ramparts or something from Nyzul, but at a very low rate to keep it a mostly Salvage thing
-New popped Salvage NMs
-Reinforcements? Beastmen? (Salvage-only)
-ZNMs?

This is a good point, maybe they perform a CoP-Style boss trait on salvage bosses occasionally dropping x amount of a certain type of alexandrite. Also, one can only assume they will have to either add larger denominations or a way to bundle alexandrite (unless the NPC holds them and I missed that;;sry). With that, it'll be interesting to see how difficult the BC for the weaponskill is, since the weapons themselves seem rather easy at the moment (in the grand scheme of things) to complete.

[Jkun]

This is a good point, maybe they perform a CoP-Style boss trait on salvage bosses occasionally dropping x amount of a certain type of alexandrite. Also, one can only assume they will have to either add larger denominations or a way to bundle alexandrite (unless the NPC holds them and I missed that;;sry). With that, it'll be interesting to see how difficult the BC for the weaponskill is, since the weapons themselves seem rather easy at the moment (in the grand scheme of things) to complete.

They keep mentioning how rather than spending gil and time in one boring snoozefest to upgrade, these are more of a "series" of tasks, so it wouldn't surprise me that to even enter the new WS battle, if we think about it as being a "task" on the way to completing full relic, you'll need a Runic Key, maybe also the floor 100 Nyzul weapon, and something else like idk, Mark of the Einherjar and ToAU complete.

Just seems wierd if anyone could quest these weapons off the bat.

[Amele]

Assuming you get 150-400 coins per city run?
Stage 2: 1 week
Stage 3: 2.5 weeks
Stage 4: 11 weeks
Stage 5: 12.5 weeks (borrow 30 coins )

Total: 27 weeks of pure city whoring.
I think that's about right?

Iirc the einherjar part and 150k token part would take about 7 months?

our shell generally estimates 50 weeks (100 runs) accounting for getting cockblocked out of zones you need by ganking ls's, the generally shitty drop rate for the particular hyrda nm you need and the fact that no shell worth doing an upgrade through is going to plow only the cities you need 2/week until you're done.

realistically it's probably closer to 30 weeks than 50 if none of the above happen.

I would guess that all told you're looking at around a year and a half to do the balrahn's upgrades but it doesn't appear that this particular set of upgrades will really require much cash. (estimating balrahn's upgrades is probably best done by looking at tag investment costs) this is defrayed somewhat by some people already having portions of the quests done (100k ichor/150k tokens etc).

[Jkun]

this is defrayed somewhat by some people already having portions of the quests done (100k ichor/150k tokens etc).

Actually I totally forgot about that item you buy with Nyzul tokens.

Let's say you static Nyzul 1-100 in 6-7 weeks, going 5-6 times a week. Does anyone know the cost of tags from 1-100 with no fails? You'll need to add that plus the 150 tokens, considering you need the Runic Key to even start the quest. So it's what, like 200k~ Tokens overall from Nyzul?

[Croaker]

to ensure that the eventual time required for obtaining them would be roughly equivalent.

Avererage alexandrite drops seems to be about 5 per run. Average relic upgrade seems to take about 1 year.

I'm going to guess the new number is 2,000 to make them equivalently equivalent.

[Liquidedust]

Actually I totally forgot about that item you buy with Nyzul tokens.

Let's say you static Nyzul 1-100 in 6-7 weeks, going 5-6 times a week. Does anyone know the cost of tags from 1-100 with no fails? You'll need to add that plus the 150 tokens, considering you need the Runic Key to even start the quest. So it's what, like 200k~ Tokens overall from Nyzul?

Considering no fails, which isn't plausable at all since all groups get bumfucked on floors once in a while, you'd probably be able to do 0->100 with less then 10,000 tokens. 1->50 is actually a small token gain and 51->100 is just a small token loss. This since you gain roughly 70-200% of the token cost back depending on how many floors you can clear in one go.

You need to roughly clear 6-8+ floors per tag for a gain in tokens 51+, 6-7 floors is quite doable in one sitting if not bumfucked too much on floors 8-10 floors you need to get a few lucky short floors per tag.

[Amele]

Avererage alexandrite drops seems to be about 5 per run. Average relic upgrade seems to take about 1 year.

I'm going to guess the new number is 2,000 to make them equivalently equivalent.

you forget the other 8 months of tasks required for nyzul weapons

Let's say you static Nyzul 1-100 in 6-7 weeks, going 5-6 times a week. Does anyone know the cost of tags from 1-100 with no fails? You'll need to add that plus the 150 tokens, considering you need the Runic Key to even start the quest. So it's what, like 200k~ Tokens overall from Nyzul?

this is actually pretty easy to figure out - you have to get at least 5 floors to save progress, getting 10 is nearly impossible in one tag.

so if you never fail, you will go 5 floors a tag and reach floor 100 in 20 tags (3 weeks). you will accumulate tokens but probably spend them at a high rate to continue progress from higher floors. assuming you never fail you'll need 20,800 Tokens. I don't know if you will accumulate enough tokens in the process of climbing to continue climbing without farming tokens (I've only done nyzul twice.) total token count without farming for nyzul armor is going to be about ~170-175k tokens.