Police Linebacker

[Beckwin]

Uh, the part on the report where the officer said the cyclist intentionally ran into him, knocking him to the ground, and caused lacerations... is definitely false, as the video proves. The officer made the contact, and wasn't knocked to the ground because of that. Note that articles say how the department took his gun&badge away and put him behind a desk when the video was made public, as they are investigating with good reason to.

The detainment I'm referring to is the night in jail for weaving through traffic. That's a ticket, not jailtime.

oh and about the disobeying an order thing... well, it's hard to tell for sure on the youtube video, but we don't hear/see anything that indicates an order being given. gonna watch it again, but I don't recall any kind of gestures either.

[aurik]

Finally looked over the smoking gun link..... and I see no proof of how the officer actually lied on the report. It all depends on the wording of the document.

What the smoking gun posted, if the court proceeding paperwork the DA filed/wrote up....not the officer involved. It could be possible, the DA didn't believe charges would mean anything so he altered it himself. It also could've been the officer did lie on his incident report, or it could also be a nice typo in translation on the DA's part.

We will never know, because incident reports that require a internal affairs investigation rarely get released outside of the department.

*Note though* With the video as proof, if the officer did in fact lie on the report....he would've been fired by now.

Well it's not a typo, lol. Whoever cooked up that document clearly did so with intent to paint any injuries from the incident squarely as the fault of the bicyclist.

The document refers to the office as the deponent, which indicates that it was his deposition testimony that was the source for this document. I certainly hope he's not lying in his deposition, because that's going to cost him more than just his job!

[Tyche]

Uh, the part on the report where the officer said the cyclist intentionally ran into him, knocking him to the ground, and caused lacerations... is definitely false, as the video proves. The officer made the contact, and wasn't knocked to the ground because of that. Note that articles say how the department took his gun&badge away and put him behind a desk when the video was made public, as they are investigating with good reason to.

The detainment I'm referring to is the night in jail for weaving through traffic. That's a ticket, not jailtime.

oh and about the disobeying an order thing... well, it's hard to tell for sure on the youtube video, but we don't hear/see anything that indicates an order being given. gonna watch it again, but I don't recall any kind of gestures either.

Evading police wouldn't bring jailtime? If the Post sources aren't bullshitting, he yelled at the guy to stop and walked toward the biker, and he (the biker), very obviously, made a b-line away from the officer.

[Beckwin]

the Post? as in the New York Post? lol

from the video, it's at least obvious that the officers didn't flag him down or anything. I can't tell if they yelled at him to stop- youtube vid is too blurry to check, and the audio doesn't deliver in favor of the cop either (but it is a camcorder audio; only thing you can clearly hear is the guy telling his wife to get back lol).

[Tyche]

You can't hear the cop deliver a healthy body check either, only audio in very close range. I'm guessing a cell phone video since they pick up directionally. I'm just quoting sources from the New York Post, you can feel free to post sources from CM, I'm sure they're unbiased >.>

Edit: Seriously, trying to refute an argument by discreditting the media is really sad, there's not a credible media outlet out there.

[Beckwin]

Tyche, the New York Post is a tabloid :/ Pardon me for taking what it says with a grain of salt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post, look at the sidebar).

I'm not trying to argue that the audio is conclusive btw, if that's the impression you got. All we can tell from the video is that neither officer made any kind of gesture; the officer in question had his hands at waist level all the way up to the point where he made the hit.

[Tyche]

Did you read the story. It's not a tabloid writeup. (Can't link it atm, if you can't find it, I'll link later). Also quotes the union rep for the officer. His quotes are absurd lol. God I hate unions

[ferigor]

ferigor: not sure if it's CM or not, but where I'm at now has fairly regular bike activism rides that seem to go off without a hitch. it's a smaller town though.

Not to sound like a dick or anything, but if its not CM it doesn't count. There are a lot of biking organizations that have popped up because of CM to show that many cyclists do adhere to traffic laws and can share the road with motorists (If you haven't read the wiki link I posted to CM I really encourage you to do so. CM is a shitty, shitty "Organization" for a good cause). Unless you know for sure the rally is CM, I doubt it is.

from the video, it's at least obvious that the officers didn't flag him down or anything.

note: The officer in the video didn't flag for the cyclist. This doesn't mean that other officers didn't try to. We don't know shit about the situation, so implying that no one tried to flag him down is incorrect, we can only infer that the officer that tackled him did not flag him down. And even as you said, we can't hear the audio very well, so who knows if the cop shouted something at him.

The thing that really irks my bean, is that you are giving full benefit of the doubt to the cyclist, like he wasn't doing anything wrong, and you don't know that for sure. Most people here who are arguing for the Cop are willing to say that the cop was in the wrong for using such harsh force, but you aren't willing to admit that maybe, just maybe the cyclist was doing something wrong. You have all the same information that we do, but you are acting like you know FOR FACT that the officer was in the wrong and that the cyclist wasn't doing anything, and unless you know something we don't, you don't know that for sure. If you have any info you haven't posted, I'd definately like to see it.

[ferigor]

Wow Beckwin, you really need to follow through reading things before you post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid

Its kind of like ironic, how everyone uses the word but nobody really knows what it means.

(since I don't think you'll bother reading, Tabloid is an industry term to describe formatting. Todays general context is that its shit like Weekly World News, but thats not the way that wiki is using it in reference to the NYP.)

[Tyche]

When beckwin said it was a tabloid, I was like "wtf, it's not a tabloid..." Then I seen the wiki and was stumped. That explains that. Beckwin owns himself again lol.

[Kuya]

Beckwin has been in a rut lately. Maybe we should humor him and tell him he won so he can get his groove back.

[Beckwin]

lol, the NY Post is considered to be a tabloid for more reasons than just format size. The Post is a real class act of journalistic integrity! scroll down the wiki link I posted to see stuff like

On September 27, 2006 the Post published an article called "Powder Puff Spooks Keith" that made fun of Countdown host Keith Olbermann receiving an anthrax threat from an unknown terrorist.[38] By reporting on the incident, the Post have actually broken the general Federal Bureau of Investigation protocol of not disclosing the event which could hamper their investigation. Keith Olbermann had some harsh words for the Post on his show after this.

On December 7, 2006 the Post doctored a front-page photo to depict the co-chairmen of the Iraq Study Group, James Baker and Lee Hamilton, in primate fur, under the headline "SURRENDER MONKEYS", inspired by a once used line from The Simpsons.

use of the headline "Wok This Way" for a Post article about President Bush's meeting with the president of the People's Republic of China.

Why am I giving "full benefit of the doubt" to the cyclist? Might have something to do with no proof of him committing a crime, unlike the cop. And as I keep reiterating, if he was in violation of traffic laws then him getting a ticket for it is no problem. But being accused of assault? lol.

[Tyche]

He was much more entertaining before graduating. I think he just has too much free time now. Go knock a chick up becks.

[Kuya]

He has also been angrier to, i wonder what's up.

[Beckwin]

is this the article that you're going off of, tyche?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07272008...ist_121984.htm

not seeing anything about yelling at the cyclist to stop. if you have a different article I wouldn't mind reading it. this article is actually decent though. but jeeze the Post has some ridiculous covers/cover stories. hell, made the daily show the other night when a 44 lb cat made the front page and the Alaska Sen. who got indicted was a blurb on page 7 lol.

cute of you two to switch over to personal attacks completely. idk bros, I guess sometimes seeing a culmination of internet-dipshit rah-rah-ing just loosens up the keyboard on a slow day.

[Beckwin]

also knocking up a chick seems like a really bad idea when I'm career-hunting/thinking about where I wanna go. although I'm ok with abortion so I guess the sentiment still works.

[Tyche]

Not the article and still can't link (on phone). Lemme think of key words. Try googling "new york post critical mass union"

...And yeah kuya, he is angrier.

[Beckwin]

oh, I see. the article titled "COP UNION'S SPIN ON BIKE TACKLER"

mhmm yes, I'm prepared to be convinced by a union spokesman who wasn't there. reading now

[Beckwin]

this rider dropped his shoulder in an attempt to avoid arrest by plowing into the officer's chest, which resulted in the officer pushing him away," he said.

hahahahahhaah

[Tyche]

I said a page ago the union guy was absurd, try to keep up becks. Focus on "source(s)...