Vrtra: Ninja'd?

[Thorny]

Essentially, 'warping' with pos hack is levitating above all obstacles, running a diagonal to new position, and dropping again so your Z position does change. You even make an extremely fast running animation as you land on other people's screens. It may be that changing Z position as mob is due to swing causes it, but it's definitely not any change of Z position.

[Dammerung]

At one point in time, mobs did not warp to the player if they were out of range above them. This let people abuse that and basically kill things without being touched or run around a zone without aggro.. such as RMT miners who could run around with impunity. As a countermeasure mobs now will warp to the player if they are at a weird z coordinate.

[Max™]

And sometimes, as was reported in the T1-4 ZNM thread with Achamoth, warp down below the players to a weird z coordinate...

[rog]

(i swear it's on a timer from kiting bloodtear and he would do it on a very periodic cycle, but that's a story for another day.)

yep, that's how it works. different mobs have different timers. for example, bune is around 15 secs, ash dragon is around 5 secs. i believe it can also vary slightly (about 2-3 secs for bune iirc?).

also, the "draw-in timer" doesn't start counting until you're in a position that it would draw you in from. for example if the mob can draws you in, from anywhere outside of melee range, then X seconds after you leave melee range it'll draw you in. if you then go back into melee range before it draws you in, then it either resets the timer, or pauses it, honestly i can't remember which it is. >.<;

[Seraphus]

We ran it TP burn yesterday, damage was normal but it flailed us at 70% cos it was spamming draw in on whoever had hate exactly like those screenshots, and as you know.. wyrm draw in can often induce a flail.

Sorry to quote this almost many posts later but:

My LS was fighting Jormungand (lol, I know, but some people wanted to buy Molyndenum from us, and pole for a few million if it dropped) And the fight was all fine and dandy, but when it got to 8% one of our SAMs (Loganwynn) was going to be soloing light on it to see if our BLMs could finish it off in one fell swoop.

Well he 2hr'd, and his first WS went off, and in that instant he was drawn in and it flailed before he even had a chance to move.

Previously during that fight, it did seem to be drawing in random people, including people outside alliance, melees, who were fighting the adds and had no way of having hate on Jorm.

That and me and our other tank, Rivieras, were getting drawn in at the absolute weirdest of times, and we also noticed it was behaving like a glitched KS99 Wyrm (HI2U GLACIAL BREATH -_-)

And another occurance was my LS did KS99s today, 2 of which we had zero difficulty, the other 2 of which the monster was acting just like Jormungand, and at the most random of times would be drawing in random people. And at one point it had even started running away from us with no targets in the direction it was running...

Maybe whatever file determines Wyrm behavior got altared somehow?

[Tricen]

If you pull Wyrm (KS99) out from the centre, he'll turn around and run back to the centre before flying. in that time, you can definitely flail it.

[Seraphus]

Nah, this was at like 20% that it was running around not looking for a specific target.

[Olo401]

we faced the same issue last friday at vrtra about the draw in but we adjusted to the situation

Yeah.. It took some time to figure out, but we realized she did draw-ins mostly when we'd run her into the wall. That led to some pretty funky pathing and once in a while some spins.

[Kang]

Damn that sucks.

[Grey Jorildyn]

Not to change the subject, but along a similar vein:

We just completed two Ouryu Cometh and in both BCs we got flailed. We have only flailed Ouryu once in about 30 attempts before this and it was from a SA+Gekko. It appears that if you tank Ouryu too close to the edge now, he draws the tank in and insta-flails just like Vrtra. One of our tanks stated he had read this somewhere, but I'd never seen it. Just wanted to confirm this as well. We didn't lose either fight, and we laughed about it during and afterwards. Some of us were kind of expecting it after what we saw at Vrtra lol

Seems a lot less mean than Vrtra however, and is still killable and stuff.

[Afrohatch]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/...802_155452.png

This Flail had no apparent reasoning for going off, for Sayomi(PLD) was tanking it in the right position and all. The second flail was, uh our fault lol XD Tank got roared, SAMs WS, spin oreo, BLM gets drawn in, oreo uses TP, cream filling everywhere!

[Chupunpupun]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/...802_155452.png

This Flail had no apparent reasoning for going off, for Sayomi(PLD) was tanking it in the right position and all. The second flail was, uh our fault lol XD Tank got roared, SAMs WS, spin oreo, BLM gets drawn in, oreo uses TP, cream filling everywhere!

One of the funnest draw in I've seen during ouryu was when the tank got drawn in and then petrified in the center of ouryu. Ouryu spun a hundred twenty thousand degrees, luckily it didn't flail.

[Priran]

I'm certain it won't draw-in when you are face to face. ;;

final solution of the standing-on-feet-exploit question

[Kang]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/...802_155452.png

This Flail had no apparent reasoning for going off, for Sayomi(PLD) was tanking it in the right position and all. The second flail was, uh our fault lol XD Tank got roared, SAMs WS, spin oreo, BLM gets drawn in, oreo uses TP, cream filling everywhere!

Wow. Sorry you guys had some bad luck with Ouryu now.

You guys failed to kill Hank with that spike flail.

To me, that is the ultimate failure

[Purrrfect]

The second flail was, uh our fault lol XD Tank got roared, SAMs WS, spin oreo, BLM gets drawn in, oreo uses TP, cream filling everywhere!

Lol @ oreos! Best comparison evar!! /cookie

[Therin]

One of the funnest draw in I've seen during ouryu was when the tank got drawn in and then petrified in the center of ouryu. Ouryu spun a hundred twenty thousand degrees, luckily it didn't flail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWtmr2Lz2_0

Also, glad you've sigged me. Proves that you're both stupid and stubborn, defending your little archaic blue plaything that you (didn't) worked so hard for.

[Lordwafik]

Wowwwwwwwww says the guy who defended his khimera plaything by putting "Legit hauticlaire" in their bazaar comment due to butthurtness over mog bonanza.

[Therin]

Wowwwwwwwww says the guy who defended his khimera plaything by putting "Legit hauticlaire" in their bazaar comment due to butthurtness over mog bonanza.

Uh.. okay? Horrible comparison not only because it's completely irrelevant, but also because one is useful while the other is out-shone by 48,000 imperial credits. <_>

[Lordwafik]

They both are shit. Esp hauticlaire.

[Noob]

If what Chup posted in his sig was really a quote by you, you really are pretty stupid. TeS is not utsusemi.

Then again, you try and preach how useless kings are so it wouldn't surprise me.