Teen falls 30ft; breaks his back, gets tasered 16 times by police.

[jmc]

What really sucks is lopsided media exposure in cases regarding the use of force.

I just wish we had news stories whenever a cop didn't use force when he should have, to compare to the stories where they used force and didn't have to.

Ya, but media wouldn't get the views they need to compete with other new agencies.

Media crew 1) Police taser person, Kills him at scene!

Media crew 2) Police taser, ends standoff!


More than likely, crew 1 would get majority of viewers simply because its all about wording. No one wants to read about cops doing something good, that happens hundreds of time a day across the country. They wanna hear about the 1 officer (out of 3,000 in the city) punch a skater in a face.

The way I go by things in the world.... "Can't please everyone" heh

[SephYuyX]

Media Framing.

[Kuya]

You know what's hilarious? I tell my step dad that people complain too much about cops when most of them are mostly good, and he tells me that i haven't had enough experience with cops to know how bad they are.

My step dad is white.

[Beckwin]

uh, actually local news stations pretty frequently have stories about crimes where the suspect was apprehended by police, or police stings/busts, DUI crackdowns, etc. media likes crime stories because of the ratings, and it's not like police use tasers to rescue kittens or do community outreach or other non-crime related activities.

on top of that it's very important for the public to be aware of mistakes/abuses by their government. in spite of the mediocre pay and risks involved, the job grants powers which require responsibility and accountibility. for better or worse depending on which side you look at it from, that's just the way it is. kudos to the majority of law enforcement personnel that act appropriately and do their jobs well every day, but frankly fuck the ones that abuse the position.

[jmc]

Don't even need to have experience with officers to hate them I found out, as this person had none.....but gets harassed all the time; lol

Partner on his way to work witnessed a car cut off a SUV on the highway, SUV swerved out of the way and caused a 4 car pile up. So nothing was serious, and he pulled the orginal car over for causing the accident and from what ive been told it went kinda like this:

Officer: Sir, do you know why I pulled you over just now?

Driver: Because you didn't notice the car accident behind me? (Strike 1)

Officer: Well, the car accident is due in part to your reckless operation of the motor yada...yada...yada.... License and registration please.

*Driver hands over the information*

*wait 15 minutes*

*Officer comes back with ticket in hand*

Officer: Sir, i'm citing you for your reckless operation of your car. Please sign here

Driver: WHY? You fucking cops, always harassing me and every other citizen...theres not a single one of you worth even being cops!

Officer: Harassing you? When was the last time a officer harassed you?

Driver: umm... 20 minutes ago, when you pulled me over for nonsense!

Officer: and the time before that?

Driver: Well.... I was never pulled over in my driving career. (Yet gets harassed all the time by cops) -.-

[Lavik]

lol no matter what job you have where you need to deal with the public you're gonna meet a lot of stupid people
i work in a coffee shop
<3 people that order iced cappuchinos
its kind of off topic
but seriously like maybe 50% of customers actually know what it is they are ordering
back on topic!
how much was that guys ticket for? causing a 4 car accident is pretty bad

[jmc]

lol no matter what job you have where you need to deal with the public you're gonna meet a lot of stupid people
i work in a coffee shop
<3 people that order iced cappuchinos
its kind of off topic
but seriously like maybe 50% of customers actually know what it is they are ordering
back on topic!
how much was that guys ticket for? causing a 4 car accident is pretty bad

I'll ask my partner when hes back from lunch, but I don't think it could've been much. Can't really cite him for the driving....just the illegal lane change violation/speeding.


so wait...if I order a cappuchino, what am I getting? lol

[Lavik]

cappuchino is a bit of espresso maybe halfish the cup of steamed milk and the rest foam
latte is a bit of espresso lots of steamed milk and a tiny bit of foam on the top
cant foam cold milk lol

[shihei]

I thought in the USA cops aren't suppose to shoot first and ask questions later? That is basically what it comes down to. On the details given, if you think the cops are in the right or were in any kind of danger in this situation then you must be extremely naive or very pro-police no matter what they do.

What happened to free speech? Cops can't just go and shoot you for saying "kill cops", that is illegal. Were they in a dangerous situation and their lives were in danger? Maybe by other motor vehicles on the road but not by a kid with a broken back, probably paralyzed as well.

The type of cop that will shoot someone when they put their hand in their pocket to pull out a phone or card or somthing that isn't a weapon, before realizing that they are in no danger and the suspect is not pulling out a weapon, should not be cops at all.

[Cyn]

No Shue, you're the one missing the point. Coke is not going to make a 16 year old kid lying on the ground moaning in pain a threat to several armed and well trained (physically, at least) police officers. I wouldn't even be in this thread saying any of this if it was a story about how cops busted into a crack house and tased a dozen gun toting drug dealers. But all the same, drugs alone are not what typically makes a person react violently. I've never heard someone say "Oh, he was such a sweet child, always helping old ladies cross the street and doing his homework and chores. Then he started doing that cocaine stuff and now he's out shooting cops and robbing gas stations." Completely sober people resist arrest and threaten police officers too dude. And for the record, there has been a serious problem with corruption in our police forces for years. And it's only perpetuated by this attitude that police can do no wrong, since obviously anyone out there could be on drugs and ready to start a killing spree.

And no, I'm not an angry drunk. I have never been in a fight drunk in my life. I just tend to speak more harshly in situations that would have made me angry even sober.

[jmc]

I thought in the USA cops aren't suppose to shoot first and ask questions later? That is basically what it comes down to. On the details given, if you think the cops are in the right or were in any kind of danger in this situation then you must be extremely naive or very pro-police no matter what they do.

What happened to free speech? Cops can't just go and shoot you for saying "kill cops", that is illegal. Were they in a dangerous situation and their lives were in danger? Maybe by other motor vehicles on the road but not by a kid with a broken back, probably paralyzed as well.

The type of cop that will shoot someone when they put their hand in their pocket to pull out a phone or card or somthing that isn't a weapon, before realizing that they are in no danger and the suspect is not pulling out a weapon, should not be cops at all.

I agree with you, except for the last part.....

Sadly, people do not so bright things when under pressure. Majority of the incidents which people get shot by officers were usually officers stopping someone at gunpoint for various things like drug transactions, mistaken identity.... wrong place at the wrong time and with being told to put their hands up/get on ground they reach for their wallets or their cell phones? Sadly good things just cant happen from that. However, there are alot of officer related shootings I cant explain, and well...don't even wanna try to explain (NYC 50 bullets into car etc...)

Just realize though....that if someone is being stopped at gunpoint, and they reach for something that a officer cannot see. You have a very very short time to try to determine if its a threat or not, and by the time someone could evaluate it as a gun, the officer can get shot. You also have to figure that.... well, we get scared too. Situations like that, officers don't ever want to be in. When they do happen, people get jumpy....scared etc... Its one profession, that you actually put body armor on...and never know if your coming home that night.

[Khamsin]

By media coverage of incidents where force would have been justified, I don't mean where force was actually used to good effect. I mean cases where a cop was injured or killed because he didn't take proper precautions. A case where people would go "He shouldn't have been so trusting, he should have had a taser ready, he shouldn't have believed his fake injury", etc.

[Beckwin]

Cop injuries/killings do make the news, Khamsin.

I think the problem with your argument is that it happens even less than instances of excessive force. I think most serious injuries/deaths for cops at the hands of criminals involve guns, so tazing really doesn't enter the equation there- if the guy pulls a gun a cop/anyone, deadly force is what's considered, not a tazer.

[Cyn]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/Careers/0...ger/index.html

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/...death_rate.htm

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/press/ardus05pr.htm

[jmc]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/Careers/0...ger/index.html

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/...death_rate.htm

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/press/ardus05pr.htm

Good reads.

I guess I should change it too..... "Killed by other people, not job hazards" lol

[hexagram23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM

[Remyo]

And no, I'm not an angry drunk. I have never been in a fight drunk in my life. I just tend to speak more harshly in situations that would have made me angry even sober.

you need to see yourself the way other people see you.

[Shuemue]

Cyn, nice backpedal there. You absolutely were not talking just about this case, your contention was that cocaine cannot make a person aggressive, period.

[Cyn]

Oh please. I never said that. I said that cocaine alone doesn't just make someone violent. If you're not prone to violence before doing the blow, you're not going to suddenly grow violent from doing it.

[HAcoreRD]

So according to the 'parents' he fell, didn't jump the said 30 feet.

IMO, he was a retard, and maybe getting shocked while nearly paralyzed will make him wish he was dead.