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[Lordender]

either way an SEC team will be in the title game again. Florida jumps way up if they win or alabama wins no way they rule either out.

[Soa]

BCS Realpolitik: Oklahoma it is, but a new route to chaos from the Gator-ha... - NCAA Football - Rivals.com

Pretty interesting article here that basically says there is a very real possibility that even if Florida wins the SEC they may not make the BCS title game. To sum it up, Texas is so far ahead of them in the computer rankings that it would take a damn near miracle for Florida to catch up to them.

Personally I don't think there's any way in hell Florida doesn't get in if they win the SEC, but its nice to know the shitty BCS continues to fuck up more and more. And just think, Penn State was a bad interference call away from fucking it up even more. Do we really need any more evidence to have a playoff?

[Akiyama]

Yeah. If that were to happen, the BCS would probably be destroyed by rabid fans.

[Stiker]

Yeah. If that were to happen, the BCS would probably be destroyed by rabid fans.

This is what I cheer for every year.

I could care less if ND has a sweetheart deal with the BCS, I just can't stand the system. At least +1 the damned thing so we can have a far better shot at ensuring the best two teams in the nation play for the title game.

[recuperi]

So I was just watching Sportscenter and they were talking about the 3-way tie. Why doesn't the Big XII have the same tie-break scenario as the ACC and SEC? That seems like a more logical way to solve it than relying solely on what other people think of your team. I just think it's silly to wait until something happens before they think about changing something like that

[Roranora]

Oh, the Big 12 knows their blemish in tiebreaks is in the spotlight and it will be adjusted this spring, but there's nothing they can do about it now. While the ACC/SEC's 5th tiebreak is better than the Big 12, it will really always remove the 3rd team in the 3-way tie to lose and then consider head-to-head from the remaining two. That rule only looks good because Tech was the 3rd team to lose and no one is really arguing a case for them, besides Mike Leach.

So, really, if the Big 12 changed it to exactly what the ACC/SEC's rule is, shit can still unfold in a very unfavorable manner. It's a better rule, but it still comes down to the logistical layout of the teams' schedules. Say Tech wasn't the 3rd loss in the Big 12 South and the 39-33 Tech win over Texas happened last.. (and the margin of loss in Tech's 1 loss wasn't 44 points) ..then the ACC/SEC's rule would be looking at the top 2 teams' BCS rankings while the 3rd team would be much closer to the first 2 than Tech is right now to OU/Texas. Texas would then likely have the 3rd-highest BCS ranking of the tied teams, with the 3 teams overall being 2nd, 3rd, 4th in the BCS standings. Now the last team is still completely ignored, regardless of how close they are to the higher 2, but what if the margin between the bottom 2 teams is akin to the 13 thousandths of a point that OU is ahead by right now? Then that lower team is screwed because whatever valuable head-to-head win that team has is ignored simply because they're fractions of points behind 2 teams, one of whom they beat.

Basically, if BCS standings are used at all to break a 3-team tie, it's really going to come down to favoring the team who lost first and penalizing the team who lost last. Again, the ACC/SEC have a better rule than the Big 12, but I think point differential in common games is a much better tiebreak than using BCS rankings at all. We're also really seeing the Cincy/TCU wins in OU's position right now, and in my opinion, only common Big 12 games should be coming into play. This is after all a 3-way tie to settle a conference champion.


Edit/Final Thought: At least the NC is pretty clear at this point. It'll be the winner of the SEC Championship vs. OU, if they beat Missouri, or vs. Texas if Missouri wins. Florida can jump Texas with a win over #1 Alabama; the above-mentioned possibility isn't a real likely situation. However, USC is not jumping anyone.

[Stiker]

Edit/Final Thought: At least the NC is pretty clear at this point. It'll be the winner of the SEC Championship vs. OU, if they beat Missouri, or vs. Texas if Missouri wins. Florida can jump Texas with a win over #1 Alabama; the above-mentioned possibility isn't a real likely situation. However, USC is not jumping anyone.

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion at all. If Mizzou wins, all hell will break loose. If you don't think that the pollsters will try to bump USC in this situation, you are out of your mind. The fact alone that they are #5 right now despite losing to Oregon State should tell you that. Plus you will then have Penn State chiming in that they deserve a shot too. Hell, even Utah would try to make a case.

The NC is only clear, as always, if things trun out as expected. Otherwise, good luck with the mess.

[Tyche]

What's the problem with the being #5 after losing to Oregon State? Florida is #4 after losing at home to Miss. Anywho, on to Jeff Sagarin...

[Kirin]

I love the no punt, just fucking drop back and throw it in the dirt.

Fuck you Georgia. Kirin will probably blame Meyer for this beat down. I said it once and I said it again, they are the epitome of overrated.

Why would I blame Meyer when this is Willie Martinez's fault?

There is zero reason at halftime, with tech going 1/6 passing, to not force them to pass at the expense of leaving people open and stopping the run. I've defended Martinez all year. Alabama blindsided us, and we adapted second half. Florida got us in too deep to do anything about it, not really defenses fault. We had the offensive ability to outlast them passing, but obviously not outlast them running. Knowshon was awesome once again, but there were 2 stupidly missed tackles on runs that lead to easy TD's. Game right there.

There is zero excuse to allow 400 rushing yards by any team, injuries or not. Martinez needs to take massive heat for this loss, as it falls on noone else but himself as the offense and the seniors were firing at 100%. Though the far reaching end result will prolly mean Stafford will stay for senior season, and of course Knowshon with him if not for the fact that all our eligible juniors will not want their last home game to be a loss to Tech.

How exactly are we overrated? We still ran 6-2 through the SEC, 9-3 overall, with injuries to countless star players that put us in that #1 spot to begin with. Richt remains one of the winningiest active coaches, is poised to have yet another 10 win season, and our two "sad" losses are thumpings at the hands of the #1 and 2 teams in the nation. In Alabama we responded in the second half, and we played Florida MUCH closer than the score lets on. Tech came out on top in a close shootout after we've topped them for 7 years. If anything, i feel worse about the Tech loss because the halftime score is how it should have been. We'll go on to play Ohio State (Or Michigan State) and embarass OSU in another big game, and be done with this year, ready for next and a preseason #2, under Alabama.

LOL at Harvin's ankle injury.

Texas got hosed. The Big XII created this mess themselves, relying on a system that rewards early losses instead of making every game equal. They should kick Mizzou and play OSU/Texas again. Cause when/if Mizzou wins now, they have a UGA/USC situation from last year. And they can't very well allow Texas in after snubbing UGA last year. Alabama/USC does not interest me.

[Mizango]

Dunno, I just like fucking with you man. You are also so bitter at Florida for anything Georgia sucks at lol, like laughing at Harvin's injury. At least the Gators wont play in the Piggly Wiggly grocery store bowl like Da Dawgs?

Look at HoeShon, all you Athens folk are good at is whining and scapegoating teams that are better than you. I am a USC Alum, Gamecocks fail through no fault of their own. Man up and admit your team just is overrated.

No Heisman afterall? Bawwwwww

You still my man though. You and Valisk just are too easily baited though.

[fstfrk13]

Knowshon was awesome once again, but there were 2 stupidly missed tackles on runs that lead to easy TD's. Game right there.


How exactly are we overrated? We still ran 6-2 through the SEC, 9-3 overall, with injuries to countless star players that put us in that #1 spot to begin with. Richt remains one of the winningiest active coaches, is poised to have yet another 10 win season, and our two "sad" losses are thumpings at the hands of the #1 and 2 teams in the nation. In Alabama we responded in the second half, and we played Florida MUCH closer than the score lets on. Tech came out on top in a close shootout after we've topped them for 7 years. If anything, i feel worse about the Tech loss because the halftime score is how it should have been.

It wasn't just those 2 missed tackles, uga's entire defense broke down the 3rd quarter. there is no way you can defend 26 unanswered points on just 2 tackles. the game was over after the 3rd quarter.

How can you not give us any credit at all? this is paul johnson's first year here, he rebuilt the entire offense over night, our quarterback didn't even play last year, we lost most of our upperclassman because johnson couldn't use them and we lost 30 football scholarships last year. we were supposed to win only 3 games(all at home). we were ranked like 80th after duke preseason. and now look who is ranked 15th while your 16th?

And to all those bitches who just say you have won the past 7 years so this game is no big deal, the thing is you SHOULD beat us. your sports program is over twice as large as ours, you have taken all of the athletic talent out of the state for the past 10 years, and we have no recruiting potential. no athletes want to go here when 1/3 of the students who are intelligent enough to go here fail out, so there is no way they want to face hell here when they can go to uga and major in agriculture or any of your other bullshit majors.

you need to give credit where its due and stop making excuses for your arrogance and overrated team.

[Kyo]

Dunno, I just like fucking with you man. You are also so bitter at Florida for anything Georgia sucks at lol, like laughing at Harvin's injury. At least the Gators wont play in the Piggly Wiggly grocery store bowl like Da Dawgs?

Look at HoeShon, all you Athens folk are good at is whining and scapegoating teams that are better than you. I am a USC Alum, Gamecocks fail through no fault of their own. Man up and admit your team just is overrated.

No Heisman afterall? Bawwwwww

You still my man though. You and Valisk just are too easily baited though.

The thing that got me was saying they played the gators close, made me laugh a little and I wouldnt admit your a USC alum, cocks and such!

[Mizango]

lol

I used to have a "Go Cocks!" and "I love the Cocks" shirt. Needless to say it had the mascot on the shirt, but still lol.

[Kyo]

lol

I used to have a "Go Cocks!" and "I love the Cocks" shirt. Needless to say it had the mascot on the shirt, but still lol.

I went to the Florida and USC game last year, saw alot of the I love cock shirts lmao.

[Mizango]

HAHAHA I would only admit that to you, that is a clear need to know basis.

You can never question my friendship/love for Kyo.

[Mizango]

Oh and fuck Dallas.

[octopus]

Texas Tech QB's fingers broken in 9 places - Yahoo! News

Ouch...

[Mizango]

Texas Tech QB's fingers broken in 9 places - Yahoo! News

Ouch...

Holy shit.

I wonder if he called Brett Favre to cry.

[Roranora]

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion at all. If Mizzou wins, all hell will break loose. If you don't think that the pollsters will try to bump USC in this situation, you are out of your mind. The fact alone that they are #5 right now despite losing to Oregon State should tell you that. Plus you will then have Penn State chiming in that they deserve a shot too. Hell, even Utah would try to make a case.

The NC is only clear, as always, if things trun out as expected. Otherwise, good luck with the mess.

I'm out of my mind? Look at the numbers; .8076 is not going to surpass .9223 simply from pollsters and a victory (even a blowout) of UCLA. You're out of your mind; that is a fuckton of ground to make up, and it's not like Texas has a game they can lose. If anything, Texas pollster support in this situation this season will outweigh USC's support. Obviously Penn State and Utah are even farther behind Texas. Texas or Oklahoma is going to play the SEC Champion for this year's National Title; I've been telling you guys how it will play out since Texas' loss and everyone has argued with me. Now, I don't necessarily think Missouri will beat OU, so in this case, I probably won't be able to come back and say I was right in predicting how these possibilities will unfold.

USC has no chance. Penn State has no chance. Utah has no chance. They will each have their cases, but the BCS will not end with any of them above Texas.

[octopus]

Roranora is correct. I didn't know USC's computer numbers are so bad. USC is ranked *lower* than both Utah and Boise State by the computers, and the computer ranking is one where they won't be influenced by feelings.

I did a calculation. Assuming that the USC computer number is not going to change, they would need a 1.018 score (which is, of course, impossible) from both human poll numbers to beat Texas' current .922 BCS score.