Vista's Security Rendered Completely Useless by New Exploit

[Elmer the Pointy]

I love everything about my Mac except that it makes me part of the Mac community.

[SephYuyX]

Photoshop, Illustrator and Quark

Strange.. I believe those things work on Windows too.

[Myst]

I love everything about my Mac except that it makes me part of the Mac community.

i have an apple certified technician friend who is quitting because of that.

[Xfaustx]

I've had a PC my entire life and finally gave in and got a macbook pro for school/WoW, disappointed I can't play FFXI on it unless I partition my system. Other than that its been alot more reliable than my PCs were, so far "crosses fingers", I haven't had to run any anti virus software. Honestly though they're great computers, they just lack the support from major gaming companies, which hopefully they'll get the support soon. Stereotyping people because of the computer they own is pretty retarded too btw. Fanboys go both ways, seems we have a ton of PC fanboys in here who get butthurt at even the word Mac being said. I'm no Mac fanboy I just love my computer so far.

[Darus Grey]

Have fun paying twice as much for proprietary hardware when anyone can build a PC and boot windows, linux, or OSX.

I'll never use a mac just because I don't want to be associated with soy-mocha-latte apple fanboys.

Just want to point out Macs are actually cheaper than PCs over a period of time. Higher upfront cost but insanely high resale values. Macs often retain 60-80% of their value after 2yrs(which is a frequent upgrade cycle for many people). Where most PCs devalue by 70-80% over the same period.

[archibaldcrane]

I love everything about my Mac except that it makes me part of the Mac community.

This. Final Cut Studio makes my Mac a necessity, but I don't cry a river about "omg microsoft sucks" when I boot in XP to play FFXI or do other Windows-exclusive things.

[Rowe]

I've worked with Macs since 1992. I also did work for a 4 year stretch building and installing servers in commercial printing companies in NE. I assembled HP and Compaq servers that I installed in printing shops in CT, MA, VT and worked on others in RI, NH and ME. At the time build cost of these servers on average was $15k (not counting seat licensing). Apple introduced the Xserve with build cost $5-8k and unlimited clients. It was pretty earth shaking and drove down the price on the offerings from other manufactures.

I've had to go in and revive dead servers. I've seen service packs disable CPUs in multi CPU systems. I've seen botched upgrades from NT server to 2000 server when everything was done by the numbers. I've seen MS updates that kill nics. I got calls that business offices were down because of viruses, I had to nothing to do with the installation those systems or their administration but I went and fixed them.

In all that time when a Mac had a problem it was never anything other than hardware failure(which happens) or minor problems which at most took an hour to fix.

I've worked on both sides.

[Isiolia]

Final Cut Pro did much the same thing in some video fields. I recall touring a TV station where they were swapping out $40k/year leased systems for $2500 G5s + Final Cut.

When the Mac Pro was first released, it was on the lower end of the price scale for a Xeon workstation. It remained middle of the pack (for what it has) for a while. Was cheaper than a Dell when I got mine here at work (for a comparable workstation).
Haven't checked recently.
The bigger thing is that the same power can now be had with far cheaper CPUs, which competing OEMs sell other systems based on. Apple...doesn't. Not if you want expansion n' such.


The "culture" if you want to call it that isn't great. But, frankly, MS/Windows has plenty of drooling fanboys as well.

[Day]

I'm going to go ahead and say the fanboy to owner ratio is much, much higher for macs. I don't even know what it is, almost every mac owner I know is the same way about them, they can't wait to tell you how crappy your PC is and "Dude, you should get a mac." I live with a macaholic, I get this all the time, I'd be interested in understanding the need for that type of attitude.

[SephYuyX]

I'd be interested in understanding the need for that type of attitude.

People with small penis' (penises peni w/e) drive big trucks.

[Mizango]

Microsoft will take care of it. if they don't, it's ubuntu for me.

You should Ubuntu anyway.

[Beckwin]

My problem with Mac is that they're not selling a product so much as they're selling exclusivity, which is basically substance-less and at times detrimental. Their OS has a reputation of being stable, but as far as actual features I can't say I've experienced anything that really makes it stand out (this is from limited experience over the years with Macs in school). They have a few exclusive programs (Final Cut is the big one that comes to mind) that they rely on to maintain relevance. You can't really easily be a DIY type with macs, and you're limited on software compared to the rest of the computing world. Given that I'm not tech-illiterate and can generally handle problems that inevitably come up with every machine/os for personal use, I want the best hardware value and most software options/compatibility. When people talk about partitioning their mac to run windows, I just kinda wonder... "well if you aren't needing to use Final Cut, then what's the point of having the Mac in the first place?"

Basically I feel that buying a Mac is buying their advertising strategy more than choosing a machine for your best interests. you're buying the sleek designs and exclusivity of the product more than the content.

However I'm kinda upset with Microsoft atm, basically not taking good care of vista and its users and already planning to jump ship on it. Thinking about going the open source route next time I upgrade my desktop.

[Sythe]

Is ubuntu really that good? I don't really know much about it so someone educate me ^_^

[Churchill]

I don't see gaming companies giving a shit about macs anytime soon, rofl.

[aurik]

Their OS is stable because it's fucking BSD lol. Mac OS9 was SHIT.

[Darus Grey]

I don't see gaming companies giving a shit about macs anytime soon, rofl.

Which is sad, you'd think it'd be the other way around considering programming for a MAC is a lot more like making a game for consoles(i.e. there's a very small range of hardware you have to consider). Jobs made a huge mistake back when he was telling off game companies(I think that was pretty much *the* thing that kept Macs from being real competitors if not the dominant OS).

Hopefully next year will mix things up with Snowleopard, Grand central, a greater focus on 64bit programming, and most importantly, Larrabee. The next generation of Mac Pros are shaping up to be beastly machines if even half the rumors are true.

[Khamsin]

My desktops will always be PCs because I want to be able to mix and match, add or replace parts at a whim. However, I wouldn't be opposed to a mac laptop or other device that I won't be modifying. And in the case of laptops, sometimes having something as proprietary as a mac can be a good thing because PC laptops are more prone to compatibility issues and lack of driver updates, among other issues.

[MaachaQ]

That's only partially true. Most exploiters target the largest userbase possible, aka Windows. If Mac was the dominant userbase, you can rest assured it would be under fire.

Not long before this is the case actually, I read somewhere that 80% of laptops being sold for College students starting shool this year are Macs... They give you alot of bang for your buck (not to mention the free iPod they're giving away when your get some of them this year ^^; )

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/cam...nes.BTS_080508

[Shadowrunner]

As a both user (desktop windows, laptop mac), I have actually managed to gray screen (lol) more times on the Mac in a single month than I have blue screend on windows in a year.

It is entirely up to how you play the cards.

Both systems are good in their ways. I like mac's flow, and the fact that there's no fuckin registry to ruin my day, or a million and a half hidden files I have to find to delete, and no drivers. At the same time, I much prefer window's uninstall process, its functionality with play, it's adaptability, and it's variety.

Both are fun, both also suck really hardcore when you really want to get something done. Like video chat, or assessibility. And the worst part of all, is that neither accepts the other fully. With Mac, you have to change settings or download something to make it work, same with windows.

If you ask me, Linux is the way to go, the only way I have yet to go, and the only way where if it screws up, you can take your hands out of your pants and blame yourself.

[netz]

It wouldn't really matter what OS I use if I didn't play any computer games, but compared to Linux, OS X at lets me run Blizzard stuff without rebooting. Though, wine is quite impressive in its ability to play Blizzard's offerings at the moment.

Both systems are good in their ways. I like mac's flow, and the fact that there's no fuckin registry to ruin my day, or a million and a half hidden files I have to find to delete, and no drivers. At the same time, I much prefer window's uninstall process, its functionality with play, it's adaptability, and it's variety.

This confuses me a little. For most apps, the install/uninstall process is "copy to/from the Applications folder."