Conserve MP

[Antithesis]

So was just wondering is it worth it to put in Conserve MP gear when healing? I always wondered because being a Galka and all (This is on my BRD mind you) I want to Conserve some MP while healing so I dont go poof so quickly. Im planning on lvling SCH to sub status soon also.

So how good is Conserve MP without the trait with gear and how good is it with the trait and gear? Since stacking MND is kinda ridiculous ._.

[Gregorio]

BRD/SCH doesn't have a whole lot of survivability I'd think.

And I doubt the Conserve MP gear will make that big of an impact with no native Conserve MP trait to improve upon, couldn't hurt though.

[Antithesis]

BRD/SCH doesn't have a whole lot of survivability I'd think.

And I doubt the Conserve MP gear will make that big of an impact with no native Conserve MP trait to improve upon, couldn't hurt though.

What survivability? o.O This is for curing others and stuff not for soloing lol. BRD/SCH is on par with BRD/WHM support healing. Only thing we lack is AoE Cure. And BRD/SCH gains a native Conserve MP trait.

[Gregorio]

No Stoneskin/Blink. Curing people is going to get you a lot more hate on top of those songs in longer fights. And I know SCH gets Conserve MP, but I was referring to /WHM when I said there's no Conserve MP trait.

[Havok]

At first glance I read this as putting on conserve MP gear while healing MP (resting) and wondered what the fuck you were talking about.

Curing though, I'd say it doesn't hurt as long as you don't need to worry about pulling hate, so losing -enmity gear is fine.

[LD]

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BRDs rarely sub WHM anymore due to their role as pullers. In any situation where they would need to, /SCH isn't ideal due to the lack of Blink and SS (and to a lesser extent, auto-regen). If you don't have to worry about defending yourself, yes /SCH is technically superior, but I doubt you'll find yourself in such a situation.

Conserve MP is good, but I don't see it as a major stat. Not only is it a bit too random, you're a BRD, ffs. You get around 200 MP and usually have balladx2 up (this is under the condition that you have a mage sub, since with /NIN and only 1 mage, you'd be using Pianissimo.) To put this in a better perspective, the estimated average amount of saved MP per 100 points with CMP trait is around 7-8, iirc.

[LinktheDeme]

you get a dark based sleep and another dispel as /sch ;o

[ambutter]

Conserve MP gear while on BRD/WHM is not really worth it... you'll never really notice the difference. I guess it kinda makes sense to stack it on top of the trait for some jobs... but I wouldn't go crazy with Conserve MP gear.

You'll see a decent MP savings if you go /SCH... with the Conserve MP trait and Light Arts (about 17 MP saved per 100 MP used on White Magic)... but it comes at a heavy cost as far as I see it... with the loss of curaga's and -na's (with the exception of 1 -na spell every 4 minutes), and the loss of stoneskin and blink. With your Galka HP, the loss of those self-preservation spells may not hurt you too terribly much.

Depends on personal preference and what you're doing I guess. Sometimes stoneskin and blink are very necessary... I suppose there could be instances where they're not needed... but they sure are nice to have.

[Antithesis]

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BRDs rarely sub WHM anymore due to their role as pullers. In any situation where they would need to, /SCH isn't ideal due to the lack of Blink and SS (and to a lesser extent, auto-regen). If you don't have to worry about defending yourself, yes /SCH is technically superior, but I doubt you'll find yourself in such a situation.

Conserve MP is good, but I don't see it as a major stat. Not only is it a bit too random, you're a BRD, ffs. You get around 200 MP and usually have balladx2 up (this is under the condition that you have a mage sub, since with /NIN and only 1 mage, you'd be using Pianissimo.) To put this in a better perspective, the estimated average amount of saved MP per 100 points with CMP trait is around 7-8, iirc.

Ok first off why would I sub SCH for a merit pt anyway.. (If im pulling I mean.) Second I rarely get hate on Cures anymore. Seriously what I want this set up for isnt for major events its more for stuff like Assaults, Small man ZNMs, Limbus in a mage pt, Doing random shit, etc. To me SS and Blink in situations like that arent ALL that neccesary beacause honestly I dont take that much damage anyway even IF I pull hate.

Oh and I can pull off 400 MP on my brd

Oh and did I forget Scholar's wonderful Aspir

[Thorny]

1 conserve mp = 1% procrate at 1-8/16 mp saved, putting average at 4.5/16, or 0.28 of a percent mp saved per point of conserve mp. I don't see any harm in using something like Goliard Saio for cures on BRD, regardless of sub, since it has enmity- as well. For weaker stuff like you mentioned, there's no real reason not to use all conserve mp gear you can get.. and 400 mp fails I have ~800 with food D=

[Antithesis]

1 conserve mp = 1% procrate at 1-8/16 mp saved, putting average at 4.5/16, or 0.28 of a percent mp saved per point of conserve mp. I don't see any harm in using something like Goliard Saio for cures on BRD, regardless of sub, since it has enmity- as well. For weaker stuff like you mentioned, there's no real reason not to use all conserve mp gear you can get.. and 400 mp fails I have ~800 with food D=

Your probably some mean taru!

[Thorny]

Yea, but taru doesn't have a huge impact on BRD mp <__<
According to: http://ffxi-stat-calc.sourceforge.ne.../ffxistats.cgi
A taru BRD/WHM has 194 base and a galka has 89, the best mp waist(to my knowledge) for both is RSE rope and galka's has 30 more mp than taru's meaning it's effectively just a 75 mp difference. Going off topic though, main point is that if conserve mp gear won't lower your max mp during a cast you should use it for those events since hate shouldn't ever be an issue.

Edit: By max mp, i meant current mp >_> IE: lowering max past what you have currently.

[Antithesis]

Your still a mean taru with huge like xbox mp

Thanks for the info though

[LD]

Ok first off why would I sub SCH for a merit pt anyway.. (If im pulling I mean.) Second I rarely get hate on Cures anymore. Seriously what I want this set up for isnt for major events its more for stuff like Assaults, Small man ZNMs, Limbus in a mage pt, Doing random shit, etc. To me SS and Blink in situations like that arent ALL that neccesary beacause honestly I dont take that much damage anyway even IF I pull hate.

Oh and I can pull off 400 MP on my brd

Oh and did I forget Scholar's wonderful Aspir

K, first of all I said very plainly that in any situation where you don't need an effective defense SCH is technically superior, so throwing all those /SCH pros at me is already flailing at nothing. Second, mozel tov, you can get get a fair amount of MP and you don't have to worry about hate, you're still missing the point. Your MP concerns should be relatively minimal and while conserve MP is always a plus, it isn't so good that you should go out of your way to equip more.

[Antithesis]

K, first of all I said very plainly that in any situation where you don't need an effective defense SCH is technically superior, so throwing all those /SCH pros at me is already flailing at nothing. Second, mozel tov, you can get get a fair amount of MP and you don't have to worry about hate, you're still missing the point. Your MP concerns should be relatively minimal and while conserve MP is always a plus, it isn't so good that you should go out of your way to equip more.

I get what you mean and I understand. But still what was the

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in the first post for?

Lol ^^;

[Amele]

wedging conserve MP gear into slots where you don't have relevant curing pieces is A-ok (magnetic earring comes to mind if you own one, a hat or something, shit like that) but it's a pretty minor stat (think of it as the zanshin of the mage world.)

it's actually -more- effective per point of conserve MP on gear if you don't have the trait vs. with the trait, but the effectiveness is so low to begin with you'll barely notice.

your mp savings is approximately: .28 * conserve MP/100.

so conserve mp +5 with no base trait would be about 1.4% mp saved, or 1mp per 100mp. you'd probably be better off wearing +mp gear on bard.

[The Blackrose]

You'll see a decent MP savings if you go /SCH... with the Conserve MP trait and Light Arts (about 17 MP saved per 100 MP used on White Magic)... but it comes at a heavy cost as far as I see it... with the loss of curaga's and -na's (with the exception of 1 -na spell every 4 minutes), and the loss of stoneskin and blink. With your Galka HP, the loss of those self-preservation spells may not hurt you too terribly much.

Granted everyone else is jumping in, but I need to clear this tangent up quickly:

Wrong, wrong, WRONG.

1.) By 75, anyone /SCH will have 2 charges at 2 minutes a piece (this kicks in at 30 SCH, so 60 main).
2.) Addendum: Black\White does not remove upon casting of anything within that category. It stays on until either Light\Dark Arts wears or one is switched to the other.

[Kroot]

/sch does not have erase which is why you shouldn't use it at bird camp if you pull wivre and also is nice for sky farming