USA vs Russia - START

[Rigor]

That statement was a response to what ace-o-fire was saying that no one in European nation would care if Russia took back its old territory.

Russia had 150 tanks and military equipment on the Georgian border for "training exercises," long before this started, and they magically happened to be in Georgian territory within hours of the first shots. What about their supposed continued attacks despite the cease fire? Oh yeah, also the claims of widespread genocide being bull shit.

[Bingbong]

Not true.

I kind of laughed at needing only read an AP report...I've seen a few reports lol.

Very good play by Russia.

An AP reporter says he hears explosions, and sees Russian tanks heading towards Tbilisi, and he's what? Making it up? I didn't see the Churchill Gazette publishing otherwise.

Get real here.

Yeah great play by Russia. Pretty soon the US will stop looking like the bully of the world.
Heads up Poland, Ukraine, Latvia, etc etc. Russia may be making "good plays" on you next.

[guartz]

An AP reporter says he hears explosions, and sees Russian tanks heading towards Tbilisi, and he's what? Making it up?

I think you are though.

If I remember the article correctly, the said AP reporter left Gori because a Georgian sergeant said that russians might bomb it, since he saw russian tanks leaving Gori towards tblisi. Didn't say anything about actual bombings or invasions of Tblisi.

[Churchill]

I'd trust the Churchill Gazette on world matters, personally.

I also think the the Russian soldier stating they were going to Tbilisi is pretty lol, like a fucking private knows the war strategy.

[guartz]

I'd trust the Churchill Gazette on world matters, personally.

Churchill Gazette. lol

I wonder how it would handle the reports on Georgian/Russian War? Would the headlines read "Russia invades Georgia!" and then only in last paragraphs mention that Georgia attempted to retake a breakway region first? Will you even mention civilian casualties georgia caused with it's bombing campaign against civilian regions, but word it as if it's disputed or unimportant?

Or will you follow the western trend and just overemphasize that Russia is aggressively attacking a democratically elected government, and never mention that fact that most of the country believes mekhail stole the recent elections and declared marshall law to keep riots down.


edit: Oh I know. Follow the media trend and write about how Russians moved troops "aggressively" into S.ossetia before the conflict, but never mention the fact that Mekhail was threatening to use military force in S.ossetia prior to that.

[Churchill]

I'd probably condemn Russia for their collateral damage, but highlight the importance of the region to them and the story of the rebel factions in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, as well as their history and importance to Russia. I'd find proof for or against genocide in South Ossetia, and highlight a kind of warning against them meddling with other USSR countries.

As for Georgia, I'd lol at them taking military action against Russia and discuss the credibility of their leaders if they could actually think that was a good idea, or if they were attempting to use their future NATO allies to push Russia out of the country, against another ludicrous idea.

[guartz]

I'd find proof for or against genocide in South Ossetia, and highlight a kind of warning against them meddling with other USSR countries.

Speaking of ethnic cleansing, I'm pretty sure Russia just saved South Ossetia from it. U.S intervened in Kosovo pretty much for the same reason. I mean, Milosevic did to kosovo what Mekhail tried to do in S.ossetsia, and clinton bombed to safe those people from a gruesome fate, didn't he? You can't really condemn him for destroyed buildings. At least, that's the precedent, and you can't doubt a genocide would have taken place without seeming to have double standards.

[Churchill]

I've read reports saying it happened and reports saying otherwise. The problem is that it's not being reported here so it either:

Didn't happen, or the sources are extremely shitty.

Did happen, but doesn't follow the GO GEORGIA story.

[guartz]

I've read reports saying it happened and reports saying otherwise. The problem is that it's not being reported here so it either:

Didn't happen, or the sources are extremely shitty.

Did happen, but doesn't follow the GO GEORGIA story.

accusation or the mere potential is more then enough for Russia to use it, as if they needed more of a reason to justify their actions. Mekhail was a mad dog, but I'm somewhat glad though, that U.S is sort of intervening while Putin is probing his limits. Both U.S and Russia are being level headed about this, which is good, because it means ww3 won't happen for stupid reasons. I'm sure Azerbaijan is watching this very close though, but Aliyev isn't a mad dog like Mekhail is, so I doubt he'd fall under any provocation West or Russia would attempt.

[Quicklet]

So, if this alleged "2,000 South Ossetians killed" figure is never verified and effectively was an exaggeration / lie by Russia, does that change anything?

Oh, and guartz, even if Russia may have saved some of South Ossetia from ethnic cleansing, judging from the human rights accounts being posted, they've basically enabled ethnic cleansing of Georgians living in that region. Way to go Russia.

[Enkidu]

So, if this alleged "2,000 South Ossetians killed" figure is never verified and effectively was an exaggeration / lie by Russia, does that change anything?

Of course not. Russia need only a memo on a post-it note saying "The Georgians are attackin'!" to justify breaching a nation sovereignty.

I find it funny that people are sticking up for the South Ossetians and Russians yet from people on the ground in South Ossetia it seems like the Georgians were the only soldiers not actively and knowingly attacking civilians.

[Xno Kappa]

I thought it was hilarious when the news media were plastering everywhere what a couple of Russian privates said , like they fucking know anything lol. It's crap like this that leads the ignorant in America to "zOMFG!?", and the educated to /facepalm.

EDIT: I blame liberals!

[guartz]

Of course not. Russia need only a memo on a post-it note saying "The Georgians are attackin'!" to justify breaching a nation sovereignty.

I find it funny that people are sticking up for the South Ossetians and Russians yet from people on the ground in South Ossetia it seems like the Georgians were the only soldiers not actively and knowingly attacking civilians.

So the russians are actively killing civilians?

seriously dude

[Xavier]

Jesus fucking christ guartz, move to Russia and marry her already.

Your willingness to ignore anything that stands counter to your view is astounding.

[Enkidu]

So the russians are actively killing civilians?

seriously dude

So was it the Georgians that attacked Gori and killed a few civilians, among them a Dutch reporter?

[Beckwin]

Interesting interview with an American-South Ossettian girl who was visiting relatives there when bombs started dropping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

[Senoska]

Interesting interview with an American-South Ossettian girl who was visiting relatives there when bombs started dropping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

Dude, beckwin, it's fox news.

[Beckwin]

which is the funny part, you can tell how uncomfortable the Fox guy was.

(believe me, Fox has no interest in saying anything positive about Russia)

[Jotaru]

That girl is cute as hell, give her 5-6 years and I'd hit it ,_,

[guartz]

Interesting interview with an American-South Ossettian girl who was visiting relatives there when bombs started dropping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

omg lol