Hachiryu Zanshin test

[Lyramion]

Yesterday I got lucky on ZNM Hydra and obtained a pair of Hachiryu Sunate. I was curious about their Zanshin. My guess was it sucked but you never know.



So I went out to Wojoam with Blind Potions to make my ACC suck as NIN/DNC. Took off Brutal Earring so there was no DoubleAttack trait at all.




http://i33.tinypic.com/e8rbjt.png


To make it quick: Over the course of 228 MISSes Zanshin never kicked in. I guess its a 1% Enhancement and I just got unlucky.




Or is there something else to Zanshin I keep forgetting?

A) Zanshin is supposed to work with 2h weapons as well as 1 hand ones, right?

B) Do you need the Zanshin base trait from SAM to make an item "Enhance" it?

[Cream Soda]

May be your luck or a low percent. I've zanshin procced as monk with bushido cape in 60 cap ballista as /blu.

[Lyramion]

hmm nice - I wanted to make sure it indeed does proc without the base trait before waisting more Gil on BlindPotions

:D

[Reeno]

sorry to derail, but what parser is that?

[Cream Soda]

looks like direct parse to me

[VZX]

Does Blind Potion give you acc-200 something?

[Lyramion]

Yeah those potions are VERY potent. Parapotion is like 95% para proc - any stupid ideas about Parapotions and Flagelant rope got destroyed quickly haha.

[Niiro]

"Enhances Zanshin" effect sucks ass?

For some reason I'm not surprised.

Reminds me of the tests for Sipahi body that resulted in even less crits than before.

[ferigor]

Yeah those potions are VERY potent. Parapotion is like 95% para proc - any stupid ideas about Parapotions and Flagelant rope got destroyed quickly haha.

Paralyze potion is 100% proc.

[Naramaska]

Could you try this again and test with either SAM main or sub? I'm curious if it enhances Zanshin itself, rather than increasing the proc rate. Saotome Haidate are worded similar, but anyone who had them pre-buff knows how they modified Third Eye rather than boosted the absorption frequency. Could be that they're granting a damage/ACC bonus, or some other sort of boost to the proc itself.

[Capo]

is it possible the enhance zanshin is also a set bonus and the item text is wrong ?

[Starr]

I was also thinking the above, but try it with SAM's natural Zanshin.

[Kimkytaru]

Umm seeing how crappy SE translation are (Numerist pump ftw <.<) it could totaly be a set bonus. Especially since enhance zanshin is on every piece.

[Lyramion]

●八竜脛当（両足 防30 AGI+10 回避+5 残心効果アップ コンビネーション:ストアTP+ Lv75～ 戦モ狩侍忍）

Hachiryu (Eight Dragons) Sunate Feet DEF30 AGI+10 EVA+5 ZanshinUP Combination:StoreTP+ Lv75~ WAR MNK RNG SAM NIN



Well the Japanese item text says exactly the same as the English one this time.

[ringthree]

Umm seeing how crappy SE translation are (Numerist pump ftw <.<) it could totaly be a set bonus. Especially since enhance zanshin is on every piece.

Thats not really a translation error as much as it is just a plain old error.

[Amele]

Yesterday I got lucky on ZNM Hydra and obtained a pair of Hachiryu Sunate. I was curious about their Zanshin. My guess was it sucked but you never know.



So I went out to Wojoam with Blind Potions to make my ACC suck as NIN/DNC. Took off Brutal Earring so there was no DoubleAttack trait at all.




http://i33.tinypic.com/e8rbjt.png


To make it quick: Over the course of 228 MISSes Zanshin never kicked in. I guess its a 1% Enhancement and I just got unlucky.




Or is there something else to Zanshin I keep forgetting?

A) Zanshin is supposed to work with 2h weapons as well as 1 hand ones, right?

B) Do you need the Zanshin base trait from SAM to make an item "Enhance" it?

at 228 swings the likelihood of not getting any procs is as follows:

5% rate: .000833%
3% rate: .0963%
2% rate: ~1% (.9989)
1% rate: 10.1%

so it's reasonable that if it were a 1% bonus you would not have seen any effect. - I would suggest running it one more time for a similar amount of swings with the same setup - if you again see no procs then the likelihood will drop below 2% and we can pretty confidently say there's something wrong either with the piece or the particular setup.

I would like to see it with a 2h weapon too. grab one of the toy great katanas from the event or something probably.

as for the other questions: previous pieces of gear (and most other enhances stats other than zanshin) apply even without the base trait. these pieces may not work that way but it's too early to rule out that you just got an unlucky proc rate.

I would expect that zanshin works with both 2h and 1h weapons but it's possible that behavior of these specific items is tied to 2h weapons only (again, too early to rule out that it was just an unlucky proc rate).

if you do use sam or /sam for the testing, I would caution that we don't really know what the base proc rate is (it's assumed to be 10% but that's based on eyeball reports and could very easily be much more or much less.) so you would need to do some work to establish a baseline percentage first.

[Lyramion]

Ok so today I got another stack of Blindpotions and went out to Wajoam.



Test 1: Done DualWielding 2 Daggers and Hachiryu Sunate

http://i34.tinypic.com/2a8hhc5.png

0 procs at all



Test 2: Done with 2 Daggers and SAM sub without Sunate

http://i36.tinypic.com/2i29yfq.png

0 procs at all


>>> Conclusion: Zanshin does not work with Dualwield and/or 1hand weapons at all!

I was looking for info for this fact but I didnt find anything on the net. But now it is like 100% sure that it doesn´t. Next I took out my Windstaff and started whacking away with it.



Test 3: Windstaff and sub SAM without Sunate

http://i35.tinypic.com/2s7umhe.png

Zanshin proc 9 times, coming close to the suggested rate of 10%


Test 4: Done with Windstaff and sub DNC only wearing Hachiryu Sunate

http://i36.tinypic.com/25rng3m.png

Zanshin proc 4 times.



>>> This suggests the Enhance Zanshin on the Hachiryu Armor pieces is of course another 1% deal as we already expected.

[Amele]

wonderful tests. thanks!

any chance we could get someone to test hand to hand while we're at it? (I know earlier someone mentioned getting procs on mnk with the backpiece but I'd be interested in seeing it done again if someone has the time)

[Linsivi]

Will be interesting to see what the values of the other pieces will be also, how the stack and such. Did you notice any other differances such as amount of tp gained?
Great info thanks for the testiing!

[heavensword]

Needs more sample size.