Starting a new linkshell looking for advice

[Joeyp]

I'm planning on starting a new linkshell and before i started looking for people I wanted to get some advice on alliance set up im looking at. I am mainly looking at something not too big want one ally and a pt of reps, just in case we're short people. Anyway heres the set up im looking at

Tank pt
Tank
Tank
whm
brd
thf
rdm

DD PT
DD
DD
DD
DD
whm
brd

Blm PT
Blm
Blm
Blm
Blm
Rdm
Brd

Spare Pt
Tank
Whm
Rdm
Thf
DD
brd

Thank you all in advance, any suggestions would help alot.

[isladar]

Well if you're looking for job slots you just listed them out -- DDs, tanks, support. I'm not sure exactly what kind of information you're looking for.

[Therin]

You don't build a whole linkshell on one alliance. <_<

Get enough people to give you 3-4 PLDs, 2-3 RDMs, 5+ BLMs, 2-3 WHMs, 3-4 BRDs, 5+ DDs, at least 1 THF, at least 1 RNG, and at least one PUP and you should be ready for anything.

[Joeyp]

Yea i wasnt sure if i should sub out one blm in place for a sch, or if i should drop out a dd from the dd pt in place of thf and add smn in tank pt. As for the DDs im not too picky about which i end up with. Thanks again.

[rrynn]

dont look for set jobs at first. look for people who get along well together/work well together/have schedules that mesh well. then once you have 20 or so of those, look at your job mix, and see what else you could use. and make sure you have enough ppl so that if one key person quits the ls/quits the game/has schedule change issues things wont just crumble entirely.

[rrynn]

dont look for set jobs at first. look for people who get along well together/work well together/have schedules that mesh well. then once you have 20 or so of those, look at your job mix, and see what else you could use. and make sure you have enough ppl so that if one key person quits the ls/quits the game/has schedule change issues things wont just crumble entirely.

[Vidar]

dont look for set jobs at first. look for people who get along well together/work well together/have schedules that mesh well. then once you have 20 or so of those, look at your job mix, and see what else you could use. and make sure you have enough ppl so that if one key person quits the ls/quits the game/has schedule change issues things wont just crumble entirely.

I agree with Rrynn. You need people that can play together with minimal bitching and can work together.

You might want to address what you plan your LS to do? Are you planning on Limbus/Dynamis? Missions? Are you only targeting 75s?

I would say that you need to address those questions too. You need to have a purpose. If it is just a social shell, then that is fine, just be up front with it. If you are planning major events, then I suggest you set down the rules ahead of time. Do you have a core group of friends that you plan to make sack-holders/moderators? If you plan to organize events like Limbus/dynamis it might be good to figure out how you will fund runs and distribute drops.

But I would be flexible on some things like jobs. A really committed and competent player can blow another out of the water. Some people level quickly to 75 without ever knowing all of the nuances of their job and how best they are used in a massive group effort. Just yesterday I politely told the 52 rdm in my party that a stoneskin before a convert would help keep him/her alive in case they pull hate.

[Joeyp]

I was planning on doing small stuff first (ZNM/Sky/ maybe Limbus) then once we get those down start expanding and moving on the more complex stuff. I have started working on the rules and regs on the website, I just wanted to have all my ducks in a row before i tried to go live. Thanks again for all the advice.

[Callisto]

If you don't have at least 5 other people who you can trust that you guys can pull out wins despite of the stupidity of others I wouldn't bother. You need at least a solid core of people who are A) good friends, B) good players, and C) not going anywhere anytime soon.

And research events before you do them, know where you want to go and what you want to try before you take 20+ people there.

[Kibble]

There isn't much reason for a THF to be in the tank party. It'd be best if you had another BRD, Tank or WHM there for most things. THF works well with BLMs since they can Accomplice them if they're getting too much hate.

[Aable]

for general awesomness on nms.

tank party
tank
tank
brd
rdm/whm
sch/rdm
whm/brd (crappy advancing march but saves you a brd)

blm party
Cor/whm (cor stomps brd in blm party)
blm
blm
blm
blm
rdm/drk (warlocks roll)

melee party
healer (sch is awesome, whm or rdm can work too)
brd
rdm/ (make this one do all the debuffs)
war/nin (max tomahawk)
war/nin (max tomahawk)
sam/thf

and just swarp out whoever you want tword the end for a thf, usually one of the blms low on mp.

[Darkmoon]

I think its extreamly hard to plan a LS based on a single Allaince to cover everything.

extreamly impraticaly also.

I dont think we use the same setup for anything, and most everyone in the shell has 2-6 jobs they like to play.

LSs (good ones that last) are more about people and thier interactions with each other outside of Events.

Recruit good people, that are willing to level needed jobs and be versital, and you will have a good LS. Recruit jobs to fit a pre set allaince for all events, and you will go out in a huge ball of flames in weeks.

To start a LS you need very little to get the ball rolling.

Some Solid DDs with /thf, /nin
1-2 PLDs with /nin and /war
1-2 BRDs
1-2 RDM, WHM, SCH
2-3 BLMs

Even then your in overkill.

Start off with basic Sky farming, Sea farming, Limbus, Salvage. Any of these things can easily be done with 6 people.

I mean you can even build a LS on 6 good people to start, and then insted of jumping instnatly to events, set up a static to all level a job you need in the shell. You get to know each other well in a static, learn a lot, and get a good job needed for later done. After this start lowmaning events and recruit good people only to the shell, and grow form there.

Biggest thing to remember. No matter how many pimped out amazing useful jobs 1 player has, if they are a loot whore, ass hat, greedy sob, or just flat out impossible to get along with, Kick them, they will only make the shell worse in the long run. Your looking for good people, not good gear. (That comes later)


No if your just looking to whore out Sky or Sea and get some drops then ditch the shell, I guess you can just grab anyone via Whitegate shout.

[Aable]

if your only whm in your alliance is forced to go within aoe range of the monster, ur doin it rong.

also, why have 3 healers in the main tank pt?

the whm is basically there for bar spells/devotion/haste/shell5/regen3/ect. not main curing. rdm usually is the main healer

[Callisto]

Fuck that, I have too much shit to be doing to main heal, lol. In actual end-game events(not meripo) WHM really does shine, especially WHM/SCH. Let your RDMs Refresh/Haste/Debuff and maybe even nuke.

[Therin]

I would never ask a WHM to sub anything other than BLM (or now SCH) in a tank party and I'd never ask my RDM to cure except for in terrible emergencies. <_<

My favorite tank party is:

PLD/NIN
PLD/NIN
BRD/WHM (or BLM sub for Cerb/Khim)
RDM/BLM (or WHM sub for mobs that rely heavily on statuses)
WHM/BLM (or SCH sub if they have it)
COR/WHM (for MDB and Refresh rolls so the BRD can do double March)

With this setup you could even drop the RDM to throw in another PLD for a high-level HNM or a SCH for AoE Stoneskin. Refresh won't be necessary with COR/BRD back-line and Haste can be done either by the WHM or the out-of-party RDM.

[Starr]

Sometimes we take 3 tanks to Ultima

[shukuffxi]

Fuck that, I have too much shit to be doing to main heal, lol. In actual end-game events(not meripo) WHM really does shine, especially WHM/SCH. Let your RDMs Refresh/Haste/Debuff and maybe even nuke.

I'd like to ditto this. As a tank PT RDM, i've got 4-6 refreshes to throw it out, Phalanx IIs, depending on what/if any other RDMs are there i've got enfeebles to worry about as well, if there's a WHM in PT I generally just ask them to take care of the Hastes, Barspells, status cures and main healing. I can main heal if needed, but it's not ideal, especially with a healer job right there in the PT. The one thing I do try to co-ordinate is in status cure heavy situations, to each pick out a tank to -na. If the WHM needs to /heal, which does happen occasionally even these days, I pick up all the slack. I'll always throw out cures as needed, but I can also be watching for melee cures and -na's as well, if I have a reliable WHM in my tank PT.

[Wenslydale]

What they've said. People. You need a good core of ~12 people to do just about anything in this game. And not just people with certain jobs or items, but people who know what the hell they're doing, when to do it, and can do it without whining or bitching. As has been proven so many times before, "Gears don't fix stupid".

[LinktheDeme]

his setup reminds me of 2004 now only if his 3rd pt had 5 rngs ;o

[Vigilia]

If you have dedicated members they'll also level whatever job you may need in case you do ever end up short of anything. Highly unlikely that you'd ever be short of a particular job in this day and age of everyone having several 75 jobs though.