Einherjar woes

[tufrabza]

funny thing, we wiped to a melee burn bv2 single brd (and i mentioned double song beforehand 1% wipe), bv2 is always a 2x brd event now ;D rarely do kirin, but we kite it with 1 group (ally taking the summons), and we reform after, holding kirin as long as we can, and continue to kite.

if we get 1 set of songs, its always double marches, if 2 sets, march/minuet

all the wars were /sam (although i have no idea what laicey was doing >.> )

[Arthars]

we just /as 1 person throughout all wings

but my shell got 33 people tho

and our ichor farming grp had 18, still got T3 behemoth down to 40% before time out ;\

Wild Horn is the shit

[Cerealkiller_Hades]

I still don't think it would be pussy to ask for 35min tier2 and 40min tier3, cus Odin is apparently easier than T3 by shit tons if you get bad luck and it would allow smaller LS to do it also. Asking for 36 people is too much when kings can be done with 12.

Kings can be done with 6, and you have an HR to do them, also its 1 MOB, and yes asking for more time is pussy.

Lol... most lses have the power and not the attendance (as seen with several shells on hades, since you are on the same server) plus coordination factors (the fact that several people migrated to tartarus for just einherjar says something I believe). Plus, most people can't think tactically enough to ever clear ein tier II and tier III. I wonder if people even read up on this event. Stagger zerg, x2 paeon, paeon march mix, brd sleepgas, x3 brd rotation cs stun lock, and constant kill speed are all part of it. If you can't accomplish that, sit back, reconsider your plan of attack, regroup, and then beat the living shit out of the chambers. Aka, stfu and stop whining, Starr. Some groups have legitimate problems with chamber clearing, you just seem incompetent.

Relax bro, calm down, deep breaths, no sense comparing HNMls to a Dynamis shell especially when the Dynamis ls is doing better...

What the fuck? We are incompetent because we can't get anywhere near 36 players? Can you clear T3s with 20-25? I doubt it, your shell is a lot less worse equipped that mine.

Now im not sure weather u meant ur ls is better equiped or not (im assuming you meant urs is better), fact is GEAR MEANS NOTHING without skill, and having greater numbers in einherjar is significant, anyone who has done it can tell you that. We both know your ls would have better attendance if there was more incentive or possibly if you just won more, its why Hearts ls is doing so much better than yours. And tbh, im sure there are plenty of ppl who would love to do Einherjar with you, but you would have to have a willingness to allow them in. If you will only take ppl who are willing to commit to your HNMls then you need to find ways to get them going.

[vagus]

You're definitely going to want a BRD rotation for the boss, it takes ~1 minute to do and almost always makes the difference between winning and losing. Don't bother rotating BRDs if you're taking Darkmoon's approach, because between pulling and running around there is no way you're going to keep more than 3 songs active on melees, and that's just not worth it.

This is the biggest reason why i get LS to /assist 1 tank instead of splitting into seperate groups. Bard Rotation used during the early mobs is very handy as well. I encourage brds to start rotation with SV on the 2nd to last mob so we can rush the boss as soon as 6 songs are up.

[Freysi]

We just completely owned T2 for the first time.

Got Single bats + Diremites + Soulflayer (easier than before, but still).

Had 23 people, did BRD rotation during whole chamber. Can make that smoother for next chamber. Had 10 minutes @boss. Stopped, cooled off, setup SV BRD rotation (despite some people's screams that we needed to hurry, "we can do SV rotation after we start fighting"...)

Boss down in 4 minutes, only 1 CS stun. Would go down in 3 or less with 2 CS stun.

So thanks again all, finally we have some progress and morale is up.

[Starr]

CK we had loads of friends come to our last Einherjar and won np, Heart only has the 36 people every run and got lucky draws anyway, or so that's what his LS told me themselves. We're 1/3 and they're 2/3 on Odin so I wouldn't say they were doing "so much better" I think they could easily get a shitty draw next run/s and we get easy ones but would I then say zomg u fucking suck? No, Heart is a fuck tard as I hear most his LS knows anyway.
Asking for more time wasn't so much for us personally cus we can clear with outside LS people but for other shells that can't or doesn't like the idea of getting them, it would be nice. Even if they made it 25/30/35 I think it would be much fairer.

[Cerealkiller_Hades]

The comparison i was making is one ls has been going for most if not all of this past yr, the other has recently started and had much easier success. Regardless this event is clearly designed to be faught with a larger group, not that it is not doable with smaller groups, i recall them promising that difficulty was scaled based on total numbers, however that never occured. So my advice to anyone, just recruit a few extra ppl just for einherjar, there are many players on ever server, and einherjar is fun and rather quick, most players can commit to a short event like that twice a week lol.

[Starr]

lol we haven't been going for anything near a year at all, or the majority of 2008 and when we did start we did T1 for ages cus we were so low on members, comparison isn't valid at all.

[cdgreg]

i recall them promising that difficulty was scaled based on total numbers, however that never occured.

I thought they said they'd never do this?

[tufrabza]

no, people assumed it was scaling because you CAN bring as few as 6 people, but no such luck

[Neosutra]

no, people assumed it was scaling because you CAN bring as few as 6 people, but no such luck

I entered Einherjar with 6 people once for fun.

Fun.

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[Starr]

We got 24 Imps and Dvegr boss but we lost with 1.5 Demons left. . . How do you kill this thing? Surely it would be easier to try have 1 person kite the demons and pick them off rather than try sleep them constantly?

[amylea]

They run pretty damn fast. Just have a sleepga order and do the whole SV bard rotation, 2hour jazz. Make sure assist knows what jobs the demons are too. Also, pretty sure the 12 demons count as a mob wave, so if you get this boss you will probably have more time than you usually do for bosses.

[Guitarman]

Treat Dregvr as a bad pull in xarcabard, really. Have 1 tank kite the dregvr (best he can, it will wander to the crowd incessantly no matter what), while the 2nd tank picks targets. Use 2hrs right away, to down as many demons as possible as fast as you can. Make sure you kill BLM > DRK > WAR in that order. If you do your 2hr zerg in the beginning it'll make it much easier on your bards to keep that much less slept.

[Mertron]

We havent had the dvergr boss in a while, wondering about fixing our kite strategy to keep it from wandering over to our zerg alliance:

1. Have 3-4 people drop from alliances and pt up
2. They run in and pull Dvergr
3. Hectic, but all the demons will be after those 3-4 people also, sleepers etc have to run in and start yanking/sleeping the demons
4. As long as those 3-4 people live, Dvergr should be all over them before he starts coming to main alliance?

We dont have too much trouble killing the demons, but the Dvergr coming over and AOEing/waking demons sucks. Wondering if the hate system would allow us to keep him away with an outside party.

[Neosutra]

Nope, his hate is completely fucking backwards. I invincibled and 2 seconds later he was going over to say high to some random brd in the LS half way accross the room.

[Grieverao]

From my expereince and as far as I've noticed, Dvegr (as with other bosses have a weird hate pattern).

By the looks of things he aggros his initial voker, and then once every 15 seconds seems to aggro the person in the chamber with the least overall hate.

After tossing around a few ideas about Einherjar bosses, when you go to your 2 mules and see they have been hit a few times, its due to the hate-swap.

I'm not sure the exact time scale of it, but we don't use Invincible on our PLDs till it's ~50%.

Dvegr is a bitch imo, I think our next time we will attempt to SV rotate to start on Demons, instead of trying to burn them down and THEN SV rotate for Dvegr.

LOL at Starr vs Heartslaught

"my LS is better than your LS" gtfo kids.

[Meat]

Dvegr is a bitch imo, I think our next time we will attempt to SV rotate to start on Demons, instead of trying to burn them down and THEN SV rotate for Dvegr.

Come again?

[Octavious]

Yea, it seems he doesn't know how the Dvergr works. You won't need to damage the Dvergr as the Demons have a direct link to his HP. D:

[Grieverao]

Deleted shitty strat.

This probably explains why we experienced so many wipes previously.

I personally havn't researched into much TIII yet as my own group is just plodding on TII clears atm for everyone.

My experiences were with a very JP-lead and little communication Einherjar group. Had np with TII, just TIII problems.