Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[tyven]

well thats pretty much the last thing i expected to see

[dejet]

grats... did a LS fund that not to be mean but i hope it was self funded

[Seanr]

That's a pretty awful looking BLM to be spending frivolously on.. Well, that.

Because he's Elvaan? :3


http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12...135/Mandau.png

Why is my img not showing up >.<

EDIT: NVM

[Tekki]

I just moved about 20 worthless posts about gear selection. Take Gear discussion to the WTF thread. GTFO of this thread with those posts. Thats not what this thread is about.

[ninjafox]

With all the magic acc on the blm mythic, would one still keep HQ staves for enfeebles like gravity and bind?

[Acturus]

With all the magic acc on the blm mythic, would one still keep HQ staves for enfeebles like gravity and bind?

Kanican - Laevateinn and Tupsimati

The BLM mythic is still inferior overall to the HQ staves, so it doesn't really matter about the M.Acc. specifically.

[Darkslitter]

Kanican - Laevateinn and Tupsimati

The BLM mythic is still inferior overall to the HQ staves, so it doesn't really matter about the M.Acc. specifically.

maybe this is the wrong place to post this, and if it is sorry.
From the livejournal: 1.15 = ( 100 + 20 + Y ) / ( 100 + Y ) where Y is your magic attack.
What he didn't account for is the magic attack aftermath. Let's define A to be the aftermath magic attack. So the point where HQ staves are equal to the mythic is where 1.15 = (100 + 20 + A + Y)/(100 + Y). The max Y you can get is 37 in gear (novio moldavite full morrigan sorc ring) and 32 in trains so 69. *Note I'm using the max because the fraction (100 + 20 + A +Y)/(100+Y) will be smallest when Y is at the max. So if we plug in Y = 69 and solve for A, we get A = 1.15 * 169 - 189, which equals 5.35. If the Aftermath is greater than 5 than for a max damage set up it will do more damage than HQ staves. If uggy pendant latent Y = 77 and A has to be > 6.55.

As I'm sure most of you will realize, you lose a very significant chunk of magic acc. using this set up and odds are on most things HQ staves will out perform the mythic regardless of A's value just because of resists.

On another note, the value A needs to be to outdamage HQ staves gets smaller as your gear gets worse, but even if you have no full morrigan the next best options will give you 65-68 magic attack (depending on what morrigan you have/don't have) without pendant and aftermath still needs to be greater than or equal to 5.

[Tekki]

posting data to compare gear is a perfect example of the information we are looking for in a relic discussion thread.

[Malacite]

SE fails again, who is surprised?

[Virtuous Saint]

Still doing testing, we don't know yet. He stayed up late finishing it, so hasnt been much chance to test it yet. It doesn't appear to be a magic attack bonus for a single nuke or anything, going to do enmity tests later with it.

Killing me brotha.

[Suiram]

This should only take 5 minutes to test.

• Go outside of your preferred home city, wear nothing but the staff. Use the same spell throughout.
• Nuke a starter mob with an element unrelated to the current ingame day (one of the mobs that are DC to lv1, since they all pop at the same level). Record the damage.
• Elemental Seal, nuke another mob of the same type. Record the damage (should be a flat 10% increase if the weapon hasn't changed since fanfest).
• Build 200% TP, WS on a mob, nuke another with the aftermath in effect. Record the damage.
• Build 280ish% TP (just in case the MAB aftermath scales between 200~299%), WS on a mob, nuke another with the aftermath in effect. Record the damage.
• Post the caster's INT (not even really necessary, but nice to know in case things turn out weird), any potency merits in the element of the spell used, and the recorded damages.

That's really all that needs to be done unless the aftermath bonus turns out to be some other form of bonus from MAB, or unless you want to figure out the specifics of the ES bonus (like if it is applied in the staff term or at some point later on, etc, which is more of a technical question and not really important to the main question of how useful the weapon can be), or if the ES bonus has changed.

[Vedder]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7383/keisuke.png

Didn't see this one on ffxiah.com, so I don't know how long he's had it, but it's at least his 3rd since he's got Gun and Bow already.

[Tubbers]

[IMG]aegis[/IMG]

Didn't see this one on ffxiah.com, so I don't know how long he's had it, but it's at least his 3rd since he's got Gun and Bow already.

That seems like a waste to me.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I don't see how its any different than having an Amanomurakumo and an Apocalypse. You serve the same purpose, and you still can't use them at the same time.

[Arthars]

zerging w/o SPs apoc is better DOT than amano(eg normal melee zerging kirin for 2 or more pops, sarameya)

for HNMs that you love to SATA, amano is better than apoc (eg Byakko, apoc drk die faster and instantly than amano SATA. Even if dont die, apoc may be MP sink)

talking about /sam for DRK because obviously /nin is shooooooooooosh

so having both amano and apoc is not waste. they situational

however having gun + bow is a complete waste. i dont see how gun and bow can be situational for 1 job....unless his rng uses bow and gun in different situation?........... or unless that dood make a bow mainly for sam? /shrug

[Tsuko_Asura]

That's really not a good analogy. You're just breaking down the fact that some relic weapons are better for different situations. Amanomurakumo 'can' zerg well too, just not as well as Apocalypse. Apocalypse 'can' be an SATA whore for a Tu'lia god, just not as well as Amanomurakumo. Yoichinoyumi is going to perform better in a long fight, due to the fact that your VE decay actually stands a chance of keeping up with your VE accumulation, while Annihilator will perform better in a zerg purely by virtue of having higher base damage.

I'm not saying that having weapons you can't use at the same time is a waste. Just the opposite, actually; its my justification for saying that having a relic gun and bow isn't a waste.

[Chojja]

while Annihilator will perform better in a zerg purely by virtue of having higher base damage.

wait, what?

[Arthars]

Amanomurakumo 'can' zerg well too, just not as well as Apocalypse. Apocalypse 'can' be an SATA whore for a Tu'lia god, just not as well as Amanomurakumo.

Yep i know that, and i did not say apoc cant SATA and amano cant zerg. did i? I said exactly what you just said, A is better than B in X and Y situation. I did not say A can do this and B cant.

i dont wanna start a detailed which is better.

we have an entire shit on which relic is better thread somewhere, and obviously there are situations you can use both in a proper way to out perform each other.

we are mainly talking about having bow+gun VS having amano+apoc

what im saying amano+apoc is not a waste.........but having a bow+gun is more of a waste than apoc+amano

[Aurara]

not if you have sam!

[Arthars]

im going to stuff KV's shell into a culverin+1 and zerg your ass soon aurara