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  1. #2801
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killkenny View Post
    You are most definately wrong, relic Polearm, Great Katana, Great Axe, Katana and Axe are all able to outparse their best non-relic counterparts in every single situation.

    Gun and Bow are debatable because of Culverin, Sword and Club are also both the best for damage.


    I know noone with Gugnir but does 5 DMG and 20 ACC really beat 3% double attack in "every single situation"? Not argueing, just curious... And I don't even know anyone with Axe so I'm clueless on that one...

  2. #2802
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killkenny View Post
    You are most definately wrong, relic Polearm, Great Katana, Great Axe, Katana and Axe are all able to outparse their best non-relic counterparts in every single situation.

    Gun and Bow are debatable because of Culverin, Sword and Club are also both the best for damage.
    Every situation? I'm pretty sure soboro beats amano on solo'ing as /dnc and as well as when paired with the relic bow when meriting on birds. I can see the mthic a good number of the mythics being better than the relics for zerging, ect.

  3. #2803
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    Ok /dnc soboro is better (not in terms of damage though) and probably even polearm with merits and 2brd would even win out on birds let alone relic bow, how cruel SE is.

    As for Gungnir the 5dmg is a 5.2%~ increase in damage on its own so that beats the double attack even if you're capped on acc, obviously further from acc cap you get the better gungnir gets. Not to mention shock spikes.

  4. #2804
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Soda View Post
    Every situation? I'm pretty sure soboro beats amano on solo'ing as /dnc and as well as when paired with the relic bow when meriting on birds. I can see the mthic a good number of the mythics being better than the relics for zerging, ect.
    The only reason soboro / yoichi wins is because THEY DONT PULL HATE.. if it wasnt for that then theres nothing else worth mentioning. because amano sams kinda have to give up on learning hasso full time due to the absurd amount of hate kaiten pulls.... it makes me sad.... but almost means i gotta start doing yoichi soon... i want to not pull hate in some situations :D

  5. #2805
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    In a decent merit party you can full time hasso even on mamools so that is not the issue (although on birds it would allow yoichi user to eat red curry without the fear of it getting stolen every 2mins), Yoichi/soboro and probably meritted polearm will still win over amano when there is 2 bards present, the 25% boost in damage is just too much to keep up with.

  6. #2806
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killkenny View Post
    In a decent merit party you can full time hasso even on mamools so that is not the issue (although on birds it would allow yoichi user to eat red curry without the fear of it getting stolen every 2mins), Yoichi/soboro and probably meritted polearm will still win over amano when there is 2 bards present, the 25% boost in damage is just too much to keep up with.
    double brd pt parse went 31% 27% i was on the lower end due to being extra sloppy, not fulltiming hasso and trying desperately to not pull hate.. that was against a yoichi sam, but then again i didnt bother with food. im sure its possible to come alot closer in the ideal situation. and fuck polearm. its always possible to outdo polearm.

  7. #2807
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    I'm sorry but for all the rest of us know the yoichi sam could have been using full hachiman gear and drunk at the time.

    An equally geared and played yoichi sam using soboro will easily outparse an Amano sam on birds.

  8. #2808
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmarelord View Post
    double brd pt parse went 31% 27% i was on the lower end due to being extra sloppy, not fulltiming hasso and trying desperately to not pull hate.. that was against a yoichi sam, but then again i didnt bother with food. im sure its possible to come alot closer in the ideal situation. and fuck polearm. its always possible to outdo polearm.
    And you have a relic? o_o

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  10. #2810
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uryuu View Post
    And you have a relic? o_o
    Better than the double-relic SAM on my server that thinks GKT weapon skills have an accuracy penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTaru View Post
    Better than the double-relic SAM on my server that thinks GKT weapon skills have an accuracy penalty.
    ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTaru View Post
    Better than the double-relic SAM on my server that thinks GKT weapon skills have an accuracy penalty.
    lol, who is this?

  13. #2813
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTaru View Post
    Better than the double-relic SAM on my server that thinks GKT weapon skills have an accuracy penalty.
    Sounds like..... Lhayla - Caitsith - FFXIAH.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthonystar View Post
    Correct. There's an entry about it in her livejournal too.

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    http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1572/gearyqr1.jpg

    Rofl, sounds like she doesn't know that there's a cap to accuracy. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by [Cookies] View Post
    http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1572/gearyqr1.jpg

    Rofl, sounds like she doesn't know that there's a cap to accuracy. :D
    Is that her ws gear? (Didn't look at the LJ)

  17. #2817
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    Quote Originally Posted by [Cookies] View Post
    http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1572/gearyqr1.jpg

    Rofl, sounds like she doesn't know that there's a cap to accuracy. :D
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  18. #2818
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    GKT WS acc can be kinda random sometimes, but there shouldn't be an acc penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seph32 View Post
    GKT WS acc can be kinda random sometimes, but there shouldn't be an acc penalty.
    No it can't.

  20. #2820
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    It is just a perception issue:

    You when miss a single weaponskill out of 20, it feels like you miss all of the time.

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