Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[The_OG_Nelta]

Get the weapon.

Then post.

Remember? He has enough gil to get any fucking weapon he wants!

He's just so cool that he doesn't want to.

[MillionDollarMan]

Remember? He has enough gil to get any fucking weapon he wants!

He's just so cool that he doesn't want to.

Aint that a bitch?

[Malacite]

It gives avatars +20 MAB >_>

And the thing with Spharai is that's a hell of a lot of effort when Destroyers and Faith can still parse very closely.

Burtgang IS weak and Kaeko proved it. Now granted it'd be really nice when you absolutely need to reduce your damage taken above all else, but Joyeuse will net you TP much faster for spamming Atonement and the DPS on Excalibur is also ridiculous.

[Kairos]

There can't possibly be any support for the idea of bahamut's staff being better than Nirvana -.-

[Tomiko]

There can't possibly be any support for the idea of bahamut's staff being better than Nirvana -.-

Bahamut's staff
(Staff) All Races
DMG: 55 Delay: 366 MP +30
Summoning magic skill +5
Avatar perpetuation cost -3
Lv. 75 SMN

Nirvana
(Staff) All Races
DMG: 62 Delay: 402
Accuracy +30
Avatar perpetuation cost -4
Avatar: "Magic Atk. Bonus" +20
"Garland of Bliss"
Aftermath (Incl. Avatars):
Inc. Acc./Atk., Occ. attacks twice
Lv. 75 SMN

Bahamut's Staff:
MP Increase which is nice when starting with full MP.
Summoning Skill which has an effect on pacts.
Free to most.

Nirvana:
lolmelee Smn
-1 perpetuation more than Bahamut's. How often do you leave avatars out to melee though aside from soloing?
MAB for Avatar. Might be nice for Nether Blast but 0 effect on the level 70 pacts.
Cost to upgrade.

Nirvana is nice for those who solo alot, but for practicality, Bahamut's Staff is much better when it comes to practicality unless/until SE adjusts the way Smn is played. It would have been nice if SE added a BP- stat on Nirvana.

[Kaeko]

Burtgang IS weak and Kaeko proved it. Now granted it'd be really nice when you absolutely need to reduce your damage taken above all else, but Joyeuse will net you TP much faster for spamming Atonement and the DPS on Excalibur is also ridiculous.

I think it's a pretty good sword ;o

I just told Jackyl what the stat did. I never 'proved' it was good or bad... you can't really prove something like this is X or Y - it's an opinion. When you are beyond rich, the cost-benefit ratio doesn't really figure into your head as much.

It technically does have the best tanking stats. Not everything you fight involves something a PLD tank can melee for DPS with Atonement or Excal, so this is still situationally useful even if you want to make a PLD DPS argument. It's not like ultra useful but it doesn't make it weak. +10 enmity is a lot.

On the other hand, I'd like to know why you think SCH mythic is in your "useful" list. You're already capped -50 enmity on just about anything in light arts so the -20 wouldn't help you there since you're capped to begin with. On Dark Arts, it would help help if you did nukes in it, but you give up about 20 MACC switching from HQ staves to Mythic. Last thing SCH can afford is a -20 drop in MACC.

[Max™]

That's what I was saying to my LS the other night.

Even if I never used the aftermath, Burt is still a fucking sexy piece of kit.

10 Enm, the -phys is meh for /Nin... wtfawesome for /Rdm though, I imagine. Reduced hate lost from phys on top of it, and it sounds to me that a Burt/Aegis Pld/Rdm could tank Jesus.

[pchan]

Glanzfaust (Not that Spharai is any better... Hades Sainti+1/faith ftw)

fixed.

[DAKPluto]

Bahamut's staff
(Staff) All Races
DMG: 55 Delay: 366 MP +30
Summoning magic skill +5
Avatar perpetuation cost -3
Lv. 75 SMN

Nirvana
(Staff) All Races
DMG: 62 Delay: 402
Accuracy +30
Avatar perpetuation cost -4
Avatar: "Magic Atk. Bonus" +20
"Garland of Bliss"
Aftermath (Incl. Avatars):
Inc. Acc./Atk., Occ. attacks twice
Lv. 75 SMN

Bahamut's Staff:
MP Increase which is nice when starting with full MP.
Summoning Skill which has an effect on pacts.
Free to most.

Nirvana:
lolmelee Smn
-1 perpetuation more than Bahamut's. How often do you leave avatars out to melee though aside from soloing?
MAB for Avatar. Might be nice for Nether Blast but 0 effect on the level 70 pacts.
Cost to upgrade.

Nirvana is nice for those who solo alot, but for practicality, Bahamut's Staff is much better when it comes to practicality unless/until SE adjusts the way Smn is played. It would have been nice if SE added a BP- stat on Nirvana.

This.

If they wanted Nirvana to make me wet myself and forget my Bahamut's staff they should have given it +15 Skill and Attack Bonus to ALL Physical and Magical BPs.

(Maybe some sort of "break the 3 minute timer cap" on Hastega, etc would have been nice too.)

[Kairos]

Netherblast is junk for the most part if you have a merit pact, and it was the last thing i thought about when i saw MAB+20 for avatars. Really it depends how often you rely on physical pacts over magical ones, but there is nothing on bahamut's staff that you would miss while using nirvana outside of elemental siphon. A bahamut's staff is nowhere near as big of a difference as nirvana against a summoner that doesn't have one. Yes there are other nice things they could have put on it, but honestly how much could you have been expecting that has you so disappointed in it? Anyway its clear that the staff was not made for a 70 pact spamming mode of play.


Of course a non relic/mythic is more practical, relics/mythics are not made to be practical.

[Xno Kappa]

Of course a non relic/mythic is more practical, relics/mythics are not made to be practical.

They deserve to be broken with the amount of work that has to be put in.

[Xno Kappa]

Oh shit, congrats Rainesong.

[DAKPluto]

Netherblast is junk for the most part if you have a merit pact, and it was the last thing i thought about when i saw MAB+20 for avatars. Really it depends how often you rely on physical pacts over magical ones, but there is nothing on bahamut's staff that you would miss while using nirvana outside of elemental siphon. A bahamut's staff is nowhere near as big of a difference as nirvana against a summoner that doesn't have one. Yes there are other nice things they could have put on it, but honestly how much could you have been expecting that has you so disappointed in it? Anyway its clear that the staff was not made for a 70 pact spamming mode of play.


Of course a non relic/mythic is more practical, relics/mythics are not made to be practical.

Except what SMN other than shitty ones that have like zero skill gear are really that excited over an additional -1 perp cost now?

What is Nirvana? An extra 60MP a minute you don't lose if you leave an avatar out. Whoopie-freaking-doo.

Oh, wait, you get to use that 60 MP using the much higher MP cost Merit BPs with that MAB so you can do the same as my 70 BPs! BRILLIANT!

[Tsuko_Asura]

Except what SMN other than shitty ones that have like zero skill gear are really that excited over an additional -1 perp cost now?

What is Nirvana? An extra 60MP a minute you don't lose if you leave an avatar out. Whoopie-freaking-doo.

Oh, wait, you get to use that 60 MP using the much higher MP cost Merit BPs with that MAB so you can do the same as my 70 BPs! BRILLIANT!

Hello sir. Welcome to Final Fantasy XI, where we spent absurd amounts of time and money for, for all intensive purposes, sideways-progression.

Surely you must have noticed that Cursed Hauberk is 300k, and Cursed Hauberk -1 is worth more than most players have/will ever own, yes?

[Darkrift]

Netherblast is junk for the most part if you have a merit pact, and it was the last thing i thought about when i saw MAB+20 for avatars. Really it depends how often you rely on physical pacts over magical ones, but there is nothing on bahamut's staff that you would miss while using nirvana outside of elemental siphon. A bahamut's staff is nowhere near as big of a difference as nirvana against a summoner that doesn't have one. Yes there are other nice things they could have put on it, but honestly how much could you have been expecting that has you so disappointed in it? Anyway its clear that the staff was not made for a 70 pact spamming mode of play.


Of course a non relic/mythic is more practical, relics/mythics are not made to be practical.

I think Nether Blast is freaking awesome. I merited MAB, and some MAC, and my blasts can land for close to 700 dmg at times, or for about 540 ish normally. My Somnolence also can land for close to 100-300 dmg.

My thoughts on Nirvana...

Just go buy a Penance robe, and you will get that extra -1 perpetuation.

Although I do have to say... Penance robe +nirvana + the other perp gear, and you have a 1 MP tic garuda full time. Throw in Sanction / Sigil / Conjurer's ring and watch garuda stay out forever.

[DAKPluto]

Hello sir. Welcome to Final Fantasy XI, where we spent absurd amounts of time and money for, for all intensive purposes, sideways-progression.

Surely you must have noticed that Cursed Hauberk is 300k, and Cursed Hauberk -1 is worth more than most players have/will ever own, yes?

But the uncursed -1 is still, no matter how small, an upgrade.

This would be like spending all that money on the -1 so it can let you do Mistral Axe as good as your rampages.


And even from the lolmeleeSMN perspective, if the Aftermath works the same as Burtang, then Martial staff still wrecks Nirvana in this lol department.

[Meat]

This would be like spending all that money on the -1 so it can let you do Mistral Axe as good as your rampages.

Sign me up, i would pay out of the ass for said item, if only so i can spam my many mistral Axe macros. Who wouldn't want to see"Bleed on this-> Mistral Axe" or "D-von!!! Get the tampons! Mistral Axe" over and over again in party chat?
Menstrual =\= Mistral

[Max™]

I like to specifically run away from the monster then Mistral.

Just for the comedy the few times I actually use 1h Axe.

I wish Sword had a WS like that.

[Vandole]

I like to specifically run away from the monster then Mistral.

Just for the comedy the few times I actually use 1h Axe.

I wish Sword had a WS like that.

if 2h sword had a ws like that.. so many people would have an Ike macro..

Great... Aether!!!

[SephYuyX]

if 2h sword had a ws like that.. so many people would have an Ike macro..

Great... Aether!!!

Groundstrike and Savage Blade are close enough!