Brd question, skill vs chr etc.

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Or -enmity rings for buffs depending on the song.

[Azalee]

Yes, I wish people more luck than I have with that damn AF2 hat. Sandy is a total bitch.

Falisa we did a Sandy run on Sunday and got 2 BRD hats. =P I think they both went to BRD70+ or Free lot.

[Dawin]

Why has no one distinguished between wind skill and singing skill yet? I have always been under the impression that wind skill is twice as good as singing skill for debuffs.

As a career bard, I've always used 2 chr ~ 1 wind skill ~ 2 singing skill ~ 1 macc.

To the OP: I would say that your #1 priority should be chl. cuffs +1 since those rock and aren't too hard or expensive to get. Also try to get in a couple of dynamis Sandoria's when you can. Wind skill merits are very helpful too.

And someone asked about Madrigal. It caps out at 508 combined skill. That shouldn't be hard to get if you can get 8/8 wind merits.

Edit: As someone has already said, AF1 hands (even before you upgrade) are great, and should be used over Marduk.

[Rama]

Why has no one distinguished between wind skill and singing skill yet? I have always been under the impression that wind skill is twice as good as singing skill for debuffs.

As a career bard, I've always used 2 chr ~ 1 wind skill ~ 2 singing skill ~ 1 macc.

Because it's not true.

They have approximately the same weight.

I can't find the post with the test, but I remember (I think from KI) someone tested with +0 skill to get a baseline resist rate, then with +singing only, then with +wind only, keeping the total CHR static across the test. They found no appreciable difference between the two skills in decreasing the resist from the baseline.

As a career bard, please re-think your ratio.

[Dawin]

Because it's not true.

They have approximately the same weight.

I can't find the post with the test, but I remember (I think from KI) someone tested with +0 skill to get a baseline resist rate, then with +singing only, then with +wind only, keeping the total CHR static across the test. They found no appreciable difference between the two skills in decreasing the resist from the baseline.

As a career bard, please re-think your ratio.

I went through over a years worth of KI posts in the bard forum, and http://killingifrit.com/forums/index...c=145860&st=20 is all I found relating to this. Post #24 specifically. Unfortunately, it provides no data, and the conclusion is pretty unclear. It's also from a deleted username.

Is this the post you are referring to, or was there something a little more conclusive?

[jurjur]

if wind = 2 singing...
then why do we add wind+singing together for the skill tiers?
why not just do (wind skill * 3.0) = total skill?

[Dawin]

if wind = 2 singing...
then why do we add wind+singing together for the skill tiers?
why not just do (wind skill * 3.0) = total skill?

For buffs it's very easy to test. Minuet tests clearly show that it is based on wind skill + singing skill (assuming of course you are using a wind instrument).

Debuffs, obviously, are a lot harder to test, and may work differently.

[Bardlet]

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but quite awhile back someone on the BRD forums on lolalla testing singing vs. wind skill, and iirc it was found that stacking singing did more for song acc (macc, however you want to refer to it for songs) than stacking wind did.

When I get myself out from under this pile of work here at work, I'll see if I can find it.

[Silenka]

This is likely a stupid question, but does Balrahn's macc+4 affect bard songs as well? I have one, and I'm using tamas + nereid right now. The only thing I do on brd atm is merits. I don't get resists often with my gear setup but if macc+4 was better than a 2nd nereid for sleeping birds and whatnot, I would wear that instead of tamas.

[Ruiner]

This is likely a stupid question, but does Balrahn's macc+4 affect bard songs as well? I have one, and I'm using tamas + nereid right now. The only thing I do on brd atm is merits. I don't get resists often with my gear setup but if macc+4 was better than a 2nd nereid for sleeping birds and whatnot, I would wear that instead of tamas.

It very much works on Bard songs, and it's one of the best rings for debuffing in the game.

I have a question, though, why do you use Tamas?

[Silenka]

It very much works on Bard songs, and it's one of the best rings for debuffing in the game.

I have a question, though, why do you use Tamas?

For /WHM for merits. Like I said, I don't do anything on bard except the occasional merit party, so tamas works pretty well for that. I'm thinking about focusing on and upgrading my bard gear soon, but I really don't use bard all that much and I don't have a limbus shell for musical earring yet, either.

I love my Balrahn's ring, I use it for blm and rdm debuffs etc, I just wasn't sure it worked on bard songs, thanks for the info^^ I can start using that + nereid now for debuffs. Would double nereid be best for buffing?

[Kaiyoko]

I love my Balrahn's ring, I use it for blm and rdm debuffs etc, I just wasn't sure it worked on bard songs, thanks for the info^^ I can start using that + nereid now for debuffs. Would double nereid be best for buffing?

Yeah double nerid is best.

[Kroot]

Yeah double nerid is best.

while technically best only practical if it breaks the next tier on the song namely victory march or blade madrigal

[Kaiyoko]

Ls did a spur of the moment and get brd head 1st drop lol...

[Silenka]

while technically best only practical if it breaks the next tier on the song namely victory march or blade madrigal

I'm super-dumb, how can I tell if it breaks next tier? I have 5/5 minuet merits and cornette +1, I don't play madrigal very often at all so I'm mainly interested if it would help out minuet.Wind skill with all wind gear on is 225 + a whopping 6 (1 nereid and AF legs) >.>

I could in theory get oracle's feet soonish and another nereid ring though, if that helps any, but I'm pretty sure I'm too broke to get a wind torque just now.

[Eldelphia]

I'm super-dumb, how can I tell if it breaks next tier? I have 5/5 minuet merits and cornette +1, I don't play madrigal very often at all so I'm mainly interested if it would help out minuet.Wind skill with all wind gear on is 225 + a whopping 6 (1 nereid and AF legs) >.>

I could in theory get oracle's feet soonish and another nereid ring though, if that helps any, but I'm pretty sure I'm too broke to get a wind torque just now.

Bardlet outlined the skill needed in an earlier post.

[Valyana]

Tiers are in

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52417

EDIT: And now I've updated http://bg-wiki.com/Victory_March

[Bardlet]

Has anyone tested March with skill over 559 to verify that it does scale higher?

A question about your skill caps on the wiki- curious where the 566 is from, I calculate max skill at 565:

Base skill: 450 (225+225)
Weapon: Chanter's Staff +4 Singing
Head: Marduk's Tiara +7 Singing
Neck: Wind Torque +7 Wind
Ear: Musical Earring +5 Wind
Ear: Wind/Singing Earring +3 Wind/Singing
Body: Minstrel's Coat +3 Wind
Hands: Choral Cuffs +1 +10 Singing
Ring: Nereid Ring +3 Wind
Ring: Nereid Ring +3 Wind
Back: Astute Cape +5 Singing
Legs: Choral Cannions +8 Wind
Feet: Oracle's Pigaches +5 Wind

Gjallarhorn: +10 Wind, +10 Singing

Singing Merits (+2 each upgrade) x8: +16 Singing
Wind Merits (+2 each upgrade) x8: +16 Wind

Total: 565

[Kirschy]

Has anyone tested March with skill over 559 to verify that it does scale higher?

I'll test if you let me your join your znm ls!

Kidding aside though, even /w Oracle feeties, I'd hit 559 max. I'm missing Marduk Head (Using Demon's Helm+1 instead), and the sea cape. I wouldn't be able to test the higher tiers, assuming 559 doesn't break the current tier I'm on. But if anyone has a DRK to test with, I don't mind designing the tests for them~

[Valyana]

A question about your skill caps on the wiki- curious where the 566 is from, I calculate max skill at 565:

Yes, I agree. But based on the 6/7/7/7 pattern of the other tiers, the next tier ought to be at 567 skill.