New Level Sync Feature to Change the Way You Party! (08/25/2008)

[chesh]

I HATE THIS AND SE SHOULD CATER TO MY NEEDS AND MY NEEDS ONLY

of course had they done this three months ago before my girlfriend gave up on the game I would LOVE THIS UPDATE AND IT WOULD BE THE BEST EVAR

even though I still probably wouldn't have time to level with her around Salvage/Dynamis/Einherjar/sex.

[Seraph]

Since when does anyone have to justify how they work the campaign system to you?

It's a fucked up system, just accept that instead of getting pissy that people aren't campaigning the way you want them to.

Lazy /BRD people will still justify their actions and /BRD to 75. My hope is just that all these adjustments completely favor the player willing to work to make a mixed level party, as opposed to 'playin mah way' and letting the bot do it for you.

I don't care if the /BRD people get something, but I'd like it to be completely nerfed. Can't get new tags in the same battle for something like 5 to 10 minutes? Rock steady. People will zone around, but that still makes it just so much more work for so much less reward.

[The Blackrose]

Don't look at it for meriting necessarily, look at it for the XP range to get there. There are always those ranges where you have a kickass camp/setup, and then the ones where you're kinda between them.

What we'll do soon is build a strong party or a static with 5 people, then invite a 6th at the ideal level for the camp we want. Don't want to have to move on from Lesser Colibri? Then don't. Invite someone lower level, pop leader on them, and keep on truckin'.

It solves some problems, and does open up some nice possibilities. Doesn't mean there isn't room for abuse.

That's the way I'm looking at it. If you have the opportunity to shoot for 20k/hour out at Mamools\Birds, that's not going to change. I see this as more of a way for people who want to level another job being able to play with people in the LS that already have a particular job they need at 75. That's assuming you're not soloing or don't have a PL and have to deal with the Dunes all over again.

With that in mind, being either a tank or support just became that much more of a headache.

[Rocl]

>>Hey Rocl can you refresh my lv60 PT? ^^

LOL FUCK YOU

[reccaa]

I think this upgrade is great, espeically for pre-ToAU camps.

IMO, two frequent issues will be addressed:

Scenario #1:
30ish members missing on a tank, and one seeking at 40 (who can't get invites) can make a party around lvl 40ish with almost same XP rate.
The level 40ish members got their tank, and the 50-tank got xp instead of just mindlessly seeking.

Scenario #2:

ABC: We are @ 5 doing promies, can you help? (talking to LS member)
XYZ: I'd love to but I don't have cap gear

XYZ can join & help with gimped scaled-down gear that is still far better than running there "naked".

SE stated clearly that Cap-Gear is still the best gear for that level range. So I'm still keeping my RDM cap-gear.

For those who stated that SE revisted each item, or that this update took them a lot of work, that is BS; If you analyze the rather "wide" gear choices for job, or have done some "thoughtful" crafting, you'll know that SE has equations for stats per range level.

Think of Rings for example: +5 MND/INT/STR is your end-game "value", Lvl 34 is +2 or +3 for HQ, and you can get +3 at lvl 54 or +4 as HQ, etc.
(If you analyze the gear, you'd find interesting things like: why only INT/MND are found on lvl10 rings, & other states on lvl 14, but that is off-topic)

[isladar]

I approve.

[Kurokikaze]

yeah lol

goblin pets are even more gold now than before... and a nerf must be incoming soon after the patch haha

Yeah man, if exp stays unaffected and you get the full exp bonus of a Lv32-35 character + exp band + COR Roll... Thats easily like 400-500 exp on 4 second battles. omg

Also, in before wyverns/pets/avatars dont scale correctly and DRG/BST/SMNs are awesome to exp with... for a few days. lol

[Tricen]

Woah what the fuck. This is so out of left field lol. This has potential amazing orgasmness.

[Callisto]

I always wanted to level RDM again with fully capped skills and the level 20 Baron's set since it wasn't in the game the first time around...guess I can duo w/ g/f now, lol.

[The Blackrose]

Also, something else I just thought of:

Equipment
As mentioned above, equipment will also be temporarily powered down to match the player's reduced level. Attributes that will be affected include: DMG, DEF, HP, MP, Status Effects, Accuracy+, Attack+, Ranged Accuracy+, Ranged Attack+, Magic Accuracy+, and Magic Attack+.
* The current plan is for other special properties (including Evasion, Enmity, enchantments and ability bonuses) to be negated entirely.

So yeah, we all know those DD earrings that we love to death while leveling up. Are you saying if we equip those while level capped and they are scaled down, we lose the -Evasion penalty?

LOLWUT?

[Octavious]

This has potential amazing orgasmness.

I swear I've seen this statement in every update teaser from SE for the past 2 years. >_>; I'm hoping for once SE hits potential with actuality...because if history serves as precident potential != what actually happens 90% of the time. D: Oh, and Rocl made me spit out my coffee, "LOL REFRESH??? THIS IS ROCL BITCH *kicks low level guy in face*"

[Archain]

This sounds amazing, I'm itching for this patch to come.

[kayn]

I recently got my nin to 75.
The only reason I leveled it was to help me on pld/nin.
Even with the 'shortage of tanks' I had a difficult time finding parties post 70.
I actually took the job from 73 to 75 all in campaign.
Also, what I found is that at higher levels with decent parties all you ever cast is Ni. This did not help me with pld/nin much.
I wouldn't have minded this lvlsync feature while I was leveling nin. It would have been nice to xp with a 50-70 party all the way to 75 so I could have practiced ichi->ni->ichi more.

Also, I wonder if i can break my gun of trails on my cor in these level capped parties.

[Weeks]

Lazy /BRD people will still justify their actions and /BRD to 75. My hope is just that all these adjustments completely favor the player willing to work to make a mixed level party, as opposed to 'playin mah way' and letting the bot do it for you.

I don't care if the /BRD people get something, but I'd like it to be completely nerfed. Can't get new tags in the same battle for something like 5 to 10 minutes? Rock steady. People will zone around, but that still makes it just so much more work for so much less reward.

They want to change the system to nerf it, that's fine. They should rethink the category caps that lead to the buff-spamming though. You can turn in tags every 2 minutes (For which you can't stray far enough from the NPC to do anything other than buff), you can play the "acceptable" way of coming RDM/WAR or MNK/WHM and trying to pull hate on mobs to cause damage you can self-cure, or you can settle for shit experience doing your job. The former two groups are both working the system and neither is doing shit to actually impact Campaign.

I'm not saying that Square should accept the /BRD spammers, I'm saying that the mouth-breathers who single them out for exploiting Campaign (And ironically, who turn around and brag about the fact that MPKing them nets them easy experience) need to grow up. It's a broken system that you have to exploit.

[Octavious]

I'm not saying that Square should accept the /BRD spammers, I'm saying that the mouth-breathers who single them out for exploiting Campaign (And ironically, who turn around and brag about the fact that MPKing them nets them easy experience) need to grow up. It's a broken system that you have to exploit.

I hate to agree with weeks (really I do...) but he has a point. It's the broken system that makes people /BRD, not really the people. I'd campaign as WHM if healing people gained more EXP than going /BRD and spamming songs/tags. If the system is broken then it is simply people taking the best approach to gain proper EXP. It might be stupid, but thats the way it has been implemented so why not get EXP for your jobs as best you can aye.

edit: Personally I don't campaign anymore since the last update brought no decent gear that I have any urge to get. I decided to just stay at the second wings level and accept the demotion when they finally add decent body equipment. Plus mage jobs are boring as hell in Campaign since curing doesn't do jack for exp. >_>;

[Hyan]

This isn't exactly the thread for campaign argument ._.

[Amele]

Most of the general negative comments made about the last couple of updates have come in this form.

"It doesn't help me and I hate it, and I can't consider how it might help the vast majority of players, so it is bad."

The simple solution for people that don't like this is to not do it.

Ashira is dead on. Even if you can't think about how it will help other people, at least be realistic about the fact that it isn't going to negatively effect anyone.

the level cap gear requirement going away is another nail in the nearly closed coffin of that vampire we all like to call 'crafting' which bothers me a little bit.. some of the staple skillup synths in all crafts these days are level cap gear sets, where certain pieces would never sell *period* if they weren't part of storing that set.

I recognize that HQ pieces and other things that people live on when they are already high level won't go away, but losing a skillup market stings for anyone who isn't already there. - I'm hopeful SE is going to examine what they can do for crafting soon, it's rapidly becoming not worth it for anyone who isn't already 90+.

[dejet]

fix to all the people who are saying "ill be 75 and be asked to lvl with 12's" if you are to high and mighty to play with them there is a fix to that (2 or so i cna think of)

1) /tell player no thanks. (wow you took .2sec, maybe 5sec if your slow... to tell a person no)
2)dont let them see your job hell 90% the lvl 75s you cant see as it is now.
3)um how about if you are lfg on 75 put

"lvl75 party yes please, lvl limit no thanks"

god its not a big deal, this helps out a lot of people. i lvled my monk to 54 making pts/PLing myself. you know how long i spent soloing EP shit and making pts to get there?

this if you ask me will stop the
"sry guys only tank lfg around our lvl is that 56 pld and the camps exp starts to blow at 55"
or your pt is at around lvl 54.

people wont ask 75 people for long b/c they will get shot down by people who will be like "did i say i wanted to Fing pt with lower lvl people, go away ass"

(note i have 75 jobs... just i know how some people can be cant take a sec out of their lives in the mog house to say "no thanks" have to be an ass to someone)

[Attila]

Since when does anyone have to justify how they work the campaign system to you?

It's a fucked up system, just accept that instead of getting pissy that people aren't campaigning the way you want them to.

/brding at the tag bitch is not campaigning.

[Maxxthepenguin]

At first I thought this would be amazing. Then I reread what the level capped equipment would be like..

No haste. No "mp recovered while healing", no set bonuses. Staves are made pretty much useless, same with resting in full yigit or.. any sort of resting gear. Sound's pretty terrible to me, since having a +int wand would be better then anything else. I don't understand why theyre completely getting rid of these, especially because it's a huge pain in the ass to rest for mp at lower levels.

I don't know though. It probably won't be too bad. SE is definatly on the right track with this.

The purpose is to help lower level jobs make parties and exp. If the higher level gear's abilities weren't removed, the lower level jobs would be disadvantaged compared to higher level jobs. The problem would now be getting invites from people your own level, since everyone who is level 40 would want that 51+ SCH who can use elemental staves over that poor level 40 BLM without any, making certain levels potentially even more of a limbo for the proper level jobs. By making sure that the capped gear is weaker or equivalent than the proper gear, it bypasses that potential issue.

My question is about DMG of weapons. The increase is NOT linear, the DMG of level 70-75 scythes is about 95. At 40, the DMG linearly scaled would be about 51, but the mutilator, a level 40 scythe with pretty low delay, has DMG 62. That's a very significant difference that seems a bit too extreme to me. That may be a problem.