Sarah Palin, Republican Vice Presidential Candidate

[Olo401]

Yeah, I love FoxNews, lol

Admit it.. you want to fuck Ann Coulter in the ass. Hard.

[Churchill]

About as much as I want to visit Africa.

[_chuchu]

Admit it.. you want to fuck Ann Coulter in the ass. Hard.

I would.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

oh noes valid criticism of Sarah Palin...quick! fabricate some insults as a distraction!

Oh noes! He defeated my argument!

@quannum: Yes in terms it will help McCain win. I also don't think there were anymore qualified women republicans. I think Republicans as a whole generally don't think Senators make good leaders. The whole "executive experience" thing.

@neo: Even if I did copy/paste from other sources, saying I did does nothing to defeat points. That's like me saying all you guys ever do is copy/paste from the dailykooks. It does nothing to defeat you're arguments. 1) Never said that. 2) Never said that. 3) Never said that. 4) You could put it that way I guess. 5) Never said that. 6) Certainly don't think that at all, nor have I ever commented on anything related to gays. 7) If she is a moron then so is Obama. Case in point, if she's a moron for not knowing the Bush Doctrine, then certainly not knowing who to give orders to is just as moronic.

[kuronosan]

@quannum: Yes in terms it will help McCain win. I also don't think there were anymore qualified women republicans. I think Republicans as a whole generally don't think Senators make good leaders. The whole "executive experience" thing.

And yet they equally believe that a governor that 'fights corruption' while taking part in it, can't speak to save her life, and has no knowledge of what her position means to the country (because she flip flops like all politicians and points fingers when you point it out - gg repubs and democrats) has tons of foreign policy experience simply because Russia is a hop skip and jump away from the furthest tip of Alaska, which is uninhabited.

Man, people will believe in anything regardless. I am by all no means not saying Democrats lie less than Republicans, but holy crap.... those Republicans are reaching.

[Daimen-G]

quannum: Yes in terms it will help McCain win. I also don't think there were anymore qualified women republicans. I think Republicans as a whole generally don't think Senators make good leaders. The whole "executive experience" thing.

Bush Jr. was a governor, argument destroyed.

[ZarakiKujata]

I also don't think there were anymore qualified women republicans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Jodi_Rell

Bullshit, Palin was picked for 2 reasons and everyone knows it, she has a vagina and she's pro-life, if McCain wanted a real reformer female governor he would have gone with Jodi Rell. She became governor after Governor Rowland resigned for corruption charges in 2004, and ran for election in 2006 on a reform ticket, and much like Obama is doing, she did not take money from any special interests/lobbyists and won largely b/c of that. Shit McCain even came to campaign for her because she passed a law to the same affect but it didn't go into effect until the next election, she just choose to abide by it ahead of time.(side note: I've met her chief strategist, who engineered that strategy and its nice to meet a republican strategist who doesn't practice Rovian politics as usual). She has a 77% approval rating which is not nearly as high as Palin's but still relatively high for a GOP gov in a democratic state. She also has been state politics for 20~ years beginning in the House and eventually spending 9 years as Lt Gov.


She is also pro-choice, and signed a law for civil union's for gay people so ofc she wouldn't appeal to the same demographic Palin is appealing to. I agree Palin is strategically a better choice due to the fact that every day we spend talking about her latest issue/gaffe/sexism directed toward her instead of the issues which the GOP has no real credibility on this election is that much better for the GOP, but don't spout that talking point bullshit about Palin being experienced, when there is a clearly more qualified female governor and more qualified female senators who weren't picked b/c they all arent social conservative fundamental nutjobs who have tons of political baggage to distract us from the issues of the election.

[Rhinox]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Jodi_Rell

Bullshit, Palin was picked for 2 reasons and everyone knows it, she has a vagina and she's pro-life, if McCain wanted a real reformer female governor he would have gone with Jodi Rell. She became governor after Governor Rowland resigned for corruption charges in 2004, and ran for election in 2006 on a reform ticket, and much like Obama is doing, she did not take money from any special interests/lobbyists and won largely b/c of that. Shit McCain even came to campaign for her because she passed a law to the same affect but it didn't go into effect until the next election, she just choose to abide by it ahead of time.(side note: I've met her chief strategist, who engineered that strategy and its nice to meet a republican strategist who doesn't practice Rovian politics as usual). She has a 77% approval rating which is not nearly as high as Palin's but still relatively high for a GOP gov in a democratic state. She also has been state politics for 20~ years beginning in the House and eventually spending 9 years as Lt Gov.


She is also pro-choice, and signed a law for civil union's for gay people so ofc she wouldn't appeal to the same demographic Palin is appealing to. I agree Palin is strategically a better choice due to the fact that every day we spend talking about her latest issue/gaffe/sexism directed toward her instead of the issues which the GOP has no real credibility on this election is that much better for the GOP, but don't spout that talking point bullshit about Palin being experienced, when there is a clearly more qualified female governor and more qualified female senators who weren't picked b/c they all arent social conservative fundamental nutjobs who have tons of political baggage to distract us from the issues of the election.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_Bailey_Hutchison



This would have been even better choice to help run the country but then again she isnt the Cookie cutter lunatic that mccain wanted.


or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Todd_Whitman

A real Maverick who stood up to the Bush administration.

[ZarakiKujata]

I agree but swamp wanted female governors, not senators; otherwise wouldve mentioned Kay Bailey Hutchison, Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins.

[Kuya]

I never understood this whole "the government doesn't have a right to tell me what to do with my money" but "the government has a right to tell you what to do with your body".

"The defining feature of the conservative viewpoint is a faith in the ability, and a respect for the right, of individuals to make their own decisions - economic, social, and spiritual - about their lives. The true conservative understands that government's track record in respecting individual rights is poor when it dictates individual choices."

Is there a reason why some Americans are so insistent on applying a wide range of definitions to conservatism, even when it sounds like liberalism? Or does this go back to conservatism not having a very solid definition and some Americans just having an apprehension of saying the word liberal?

[Elvis]

Conservatism has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by mercenaries and machines. Conservatism - and its consumption of life - has become a well-oiled machine.

/wrist

[Elvis]

Oh btw, I'm pretty sure FactCheck.org is well-known enough that you guys (hopefully) check it often. Apparently, Palin claims Alaska "produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy." Not true at all.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...lly_wrong.html

Summary

Alaska did produce 14 percent of all the oil from U.S. wells last year, but that's a far cry from all the "energy" produced in the U.S.

Alaska's share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent, according to the official figures kept by the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

And if by "supply" Palin meant all the energy consumed in the U.S., and not just produced here, then Alaska's production accounted for only 2.4 percent.

[ZarakiKujata]

I never understood this whole "the government doesn't have a right to tell me what to do with my money" but "the government has a right to tell you what to do with your body".

Is there a reason why some Americans are so insistent on applying a wide range of definitions to conservatism, even when it sounds like liberalism? Or does this go back to conservatism not having a very solid definition and some Americans just having an apprehension of saying the word liberal?

the modern conservative movement has taken in factions like neoconservatives and social conservatives who originally were liberals that disagreed with the mainstream Democratic party about something (giving black people the right to vote/abortions or on foreign policy etc) and were wooed into the fold successively by Nixon/Reagan hence the contradiction between various definitions of conservativism.

[Beckwin]

I never understood this whole "the government doesn't have a right to tell me what to do with my money" but "the government has a right to tell you what to do with your body".

Is there a reason why some Americans are so insistent on applying a wide range of definitions to conservatism, even when it sounds like liberalism? Or does this go back to conservatism not having a very solid definition and some Americans just having an apprehension of saying the word liberal?

Conservatives can't seem to reconcile differences in social freedoms within a similar consensus of economic freedoms. You have Goldwater Republicans/paleoconservatives and Right-Libertarians on one end claiming to be the true conservatives, then you have the Neoconservatives (currently dominant) on the other end claiming to be tasked with upholding American morality and tradition. Both camps talk similarly on economic issues, at least on a personal level (Neocons spend too much on gov't) and while social conservatism may be common between them, the difference is that the Neocons will legislate it while the older camp typically will not (they may find common ground in legislating it based on STATES RIGHTS, though, so it's a little fuzzy).

Also, I found this to be a good read on Obama's economic standpoint:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/ma...=1&oref=slogin

Very well done article. Even if you disagree with Obama's economics, the article demonstrates he's pretty economically aware and has some intelligent advisers on his staff. One thing that stuck out to me was when the author said it was a shame that only one party (the Dems) was bringing anything new to the table. Another interesting point was that there's real gravitas to the claims of quality of life not matching economic growth and sustainability being a legit cause of concern for us now, two ideas of the left that had previously been considered unfounded in American economics.

[archibaldcrane]

Also, I found this to be a good read on Obama's economic standpoint:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/ma...=1&oref=slogin

Very well done article.

Hueg liek xbox article, but very good, very interesting.

Things I like include how Obama is obsessed with finding experts in a given field as advisors, and his "doctrine-less" approach to economics - he's not ideological about it, he's pragmatic.

[Elvis]

Sarah Palin: The American Idol candidate

http://www.suntimes.com/news/othervi...tpalin.article

Great article by Ebert about Palin's image. Mainly dealing with her smirky and pretentious anti-elitist attitude.

Excerpt:

I think I might be able to explain some of Sarah Palin's appeal. She's the "American Idol" candidate. Consider. What defines an "American Idol" finalist? They're good-looking, work well on television, have a sunny personality, are fierce competitors, and so talented, why, they're darned near the real thing. There's a reason "American Idol" gets such high ratings. People identify with the contestants. They think, Hey, that could be me up there on that show!

My problem is, I don't want to be up there. I don't want a vice president who is darned near good enough. I want a vice president who is better, wiser, well-traveled, has met world leaders, who three months ago had an opinion on Iraq. Someone who doesn't repeat bald- faced lies about earmarks and the Bridge to Nowhere. Someone who doesn't appoint Alaskan politicians to "study" global warming, because, hello! It has been studied. The returns are convincing enough that John McCain and Barack Obama are darned near in agreement.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Jodi_Rell

Bullshit, Palin was picked for 2 reasons and everyone knows it, she has a vagina and she's pro-life, if McCain wanted a real reformer female governor he would have gone with Jodi Rell. She became governor after Governor Rowland resigned for corruption charges in 2004, and ran for election in 2006 on a reform ticket, and much like Obama is doing, she did not take money from any special interests/lobbyists and won largely b/c of that. Shit McCain even came to campaign for her because she passed a law to the same affect but it didn't go into effect until the next election, she just choose to abide by it ahead of time.(side note: I've met her chief strategist, who engineered that strategy and its nice to meet a republican strategist who doesn't practice Rovian politics as usual). She has a 77% approval rating which is not nearly as high as Palin's but still relatively high for a GOP gov in a democratic state. She also has been state politics for 20~ years beginning in the House and eventually spending 9 years as Lt Gov.


She is also pro-choice, and signed a law for civil union's for gay people so ofc she wouldn't appeal to the same demographic Palin is appealing to. I agree Palin is strategically a better choice due to the fact that every day we spend talking about her latest issue/gaffe/sexism directed toward her instead of the issues which the GOP has no real credibility on this election is that much better for the GOP, but don't spout that talking point bullshit about Palin being experienced, when there is a clearly more qualified female governor and more qualified female senators who weren't picked b/c they all arent social conservative fundamental nutjobs who have tons of political baggage to distract us from the issues of the election.

Now that you bring her up I remember someone talking about her as a choice. So I guess there was someone at least as qualified. Maybe it just came down to looks I dunno.

[Correction]

I never understood this whole "the government doesn't have a right to tell me what to do with my money" but "the government has a right to tell you what to do with your body".

Is there a reason why some Americans are so insistent on applying a wide range of definitions to conservatism, even when it sounds like liberalism? Or does this go back to conservatism not having a very solid definition and some Americans just having an apprehension of saying the word liberal?

The last great true conservative died. Those who remain are petty, narrow-minded usurpers.

[Elvis]

Buckley vs. Chomsky back in 1969:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt-GUAxmxdk

And Chomsky on Buckley's passing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57mi_RpaZr4

[Beckwin]

Buckley was a bit of an nationalist/imperialist, but at least he was cordial/personable.