Sarah Palin, Republican Vice Presidential Candidate

[Tyche]

So I was listening to sports talk radio, and they started talking about a Stanford study regarding the election. They say that McCain, on election day, will gain 6% more votes than what polls reflect because when people are polled, they want to be politically correct and don't mind saying they'd vote for a black guy. When put alone in a voting booth, the politically correct answer no longer applies. That's a huge number.

[Correction]

You expect a fifth grader to have formed his own political opinions? You give kids WAY too much credit. And I honestly don't think this had anything to do with "causing a distraction" even though that's the excuse the school will give because 1) They're fifth graders, the teacher will be able to get them to listen to the subject 2) all of the kids that day were supposed to be wearing something special. Like it or not, that school made the choice that his shirt was wrong based upon their values. It's not a school's job to directly correct someone's political or social ignorance (hopefully that will come from the actual act of learning). The school was wrong in this case.

It is a school's job to enforce the dress code. Your logic is ridiculous.

[ZarakiKujata]

yah the Douglas Wilder effect, I doubt it will be the 10% shift between polls and the actual votes that he experienced because the country has progressed since then.. and I think whatever shift racism actually does bring will be offset if not dwarfed by increased youth and black voter turnouts

[Beckwin]

that sounds like the same study about white democrats still having racial bias that circulated a couple days ago.

[Tyche]

Those are already factored into the polls, so we're talking about a huge shift.

[Tyche]

He didn't provide the source, but he has no reason to make it up being this was coming from a sports talk radio host. he just said it was a study conducted at stanford.

[Beckwin]

I think the school may have got a little overboard in sending the kid home (although they do apparently have the right to enforce a dress code; the shirt was inflammatory), but the saddest thing is neocon daddy whoring out his 11 year old son for Rush Limbaugh propaganda. This isn't something innocent like daddy taking his son to a McCain rally and getting him a (tasteful) t-shirt and wearing it to school, this is on it's own level of ignorance.

[Dimmauk]

So I was listening to sports talk radio, and they started talking about a Stanford study regarding the election. They say that McCain, on election day, will gain 6% more votes than what polls reflect because when people are polled, they want to be politically correct and don't mind saying they'd vote for a black guy. When put alone in a voting booth, the politically correct answer no longer applies. That's a huge number.

Those polls dont mean anything. Everybody knows Hispanics and Black people dont answer the phone to answer a poll questions.

[Tyche]

I've been called about 3 times...but ya know blacks don't be answering dem fone calls cuz dey may be bill collectors!

Polls don't mean a whole lot, but 6% does.

And while i'm paying a rare visit to this thread in the middle of the football season, I'll say that I'd send the dumb ass kid home, and I'm a republican =/

[Olo401]

Heh.. those Illuminati card pics take me back. (I used to play with a couple friends in HS)

[Kuya]

Fuck Henry Paulson, that worthless shit.

[Zosi]

I think the school may have got a little overboard in sending the kid home (although they do apparently have the right to enforce a dress code; the shirt was inflammatory), but the saddest thing is neocon daddy whoring out his 11 year old son for Rush Limbaugh propaganda. This isn't something innocent like daddy taking his son to a McCain rally and getting him a (tasteful) t-shirt and wearing it to school, this is on it's own level of ignorance.

QFT. It's the same kind of indoctrination that leads to suicide bombing in other cultures. You're not teaching your kids to evaluate things and come up with their own decisions, you're teaching them to blindly hate based on your own blind hate, and using them as tools to further your own political goals. That's absolutely sickening, regardless of the party affiliation.

[Palin]

So I was listening to sports talk radio, and they started talking about a Stanford study regarding the election. They say that McCain, on election day, will gain 6% more votes than what polls reflect because when people are polled, they want to be politically correct and don't mind saying they'd vote for a black guy. When put alone in a voting booth, the politically correct answer no longer applies. That's a huge number.

You're referring to the Bradley effect. I personally think it will have a 1-2 point difference nationally, however I also think young non-polled first time voters (like myself) and minority votes are largely underestimated, and will balance it out. There's also sources that claim there's no empirical evidence for the Bradley effect still existing:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/...ed-voting.html

[Alleya]

So I was listening to sports talk radio, and they started talking about a Stanford study regarding the election. They say that McCain, on election day, will gain 6% more votes than what polls reflect because when people are polled, they want to be politically correct and don't mind saying they'd vote for a black guy. When put alone in a voting booth, the politically correct answer no longer applies. That's a huge number.

I'd be interested what study and what their methodology is, because something like that sounds extremely hard to quantify to me.

As for the t-shirt, I think another poster said it best. Schools aren't meant to be forums for political debate, suspending a kid for blatant political hate-speech is not unreasonable. The schools reserve that right, and the parents have the recourse to challenge it. That's what makes america great.

Also something that's been kind of amusing me lately. We're about to spend 700 billion dollars to create what's essentially a socialized banking system, and Washington views this as both necessary and good. Yet, if anyone floated the idea of 700 billion for socialized medicine or education, they would be lynched.

[Kuya]

So I was listening to sports talk radio, and they started talking about a Stanford study regarding the election. They say that McCain, on election day, will gain 6% more votes than what polls reflect because when people are polled, they want to be politically correct and don't mind saying they'd vote for a black guy. When put alone in a voting booth, the politically correct answer no longer applies. That's a huge number.

I've heard of the same thing too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

The term Bradley effect, less commonly called[1] the Wilder effect, refers to a frequently observed discrepancy between voter opinion polls and election outcomes in American political campaigns when a white candidate and a non-white candidate run against each other.[2][3][4] Named for Tom Bradley, an African-American who lost the 1982 California governor's race despite being ahead in voter polls, the Bradley effect refers to a tendency on the part of white voters to tell pollsters that they are undecided or likely to vote for a Black candidate, when, on election day, they vote for his/her white opponent.[5]

[Demosthenes11]

Also something that's been kind of amusing me lately. We're about to spend 700 billion dollars to create what's essentially a socialized banking system, and Washington views this as both necessary and good. Yet, if anyone floated the idea of 700 billion for socialized medicine or education, they would be lynched.

because washington is right ever

[Kuya]

Because Wall Street lobbyists are more convincing than sick or impoverished children.

[Egon]

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1753.cfm
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from blogwars

http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/im...nati_cards.txt

I still have my INWO cards, really fun game.

[Demosthenes11]

Because Wall Street lobbyists are more convincing than sick or impoverished children.

our politicians will always go where the votes and money are. Even if it kills puppies

[Kuya]

So, it seems the Treasury wants more power when it comes to the economy; interestingly Henry Paulson used to work for one of these banking companies that just fell. The pubbies are trying to push through 700billion and Bush wants the help to extend over seas, whilst we're being told that we have to ACT NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE, all too reminiscing of the Patriot Act. The dems are trying to tack on help for home owners and apparently some independents want to tack on something about Social Security, but most dems are supporting this 700b for the very same people who are ruining the economy.

Paulson wants the bill to be clean. I wonder if he thinks nobody notices what he wants.

The rich make out like bandits, and the middle class gets raped again. Are any of you calling your representatives about this? This seems very very serious.