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    Quote Originally Posted by Iced View Post
    What? He isn't running from a debate, especially on Foreign Policy, he is asking it to be postponed so THEY can help work on the financial issue that is facing the country.

    Is that too much to ask for? I mean, this seems to be alittle more important then some bullshit Q&A at the present time in the country wouldn't you agree? And for Obama to say that he can continue to campaign and debate while at the same time work on the economic issue that is facing the country with his fellow senators(which is his actual job at the present time) is ridiculous.

    This is something that would need his full attention, not something to just go vote present for.
    The timing is too suspicious. Why didn't he suspend his campaign when Bear Stearns failed? Or when Freddie/Fannie failed? Or when Merril Lynch failed?

    OH RIGHT HE WASN'T SEVERELY BEHIND IN POLLS ABOUT THE ECONOMY BACK THEN, how silly of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iced View Post
    What? He isn't running from a debate, especially on Foreign Policy, he is asking it to be postponed so THEY can help work on the financial issue that is facing the country.
    why does mccain personally need to attend to it? he doesn't know anything about the economy and his people are the ones who caused shit in the first place. a good leader knows how to delegate responsibilities.

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    wow brilliant move by the republicans ;o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iced View Post
    What? He isn't running from a debate, especially on Foreign Policy, he is asking it to be postponed so THEY can help work on the financial issue that is facing the country.

    Is that too much to ask for? I mean, this seems to be alittle more important then some bullshit Q&A at the present time in the country wouldn't you agree? And for Obama to say that he can continue to campaign and debate while at the same time work on the economic issue that is facing the country with his fellow senators(which is his actual job at the present time) is ridiculous.

    This is something that would need his full attention, not something to just go vote present for.
    mccain is an economic dunce caught up in the "omg we need a solution in 3 days" fever. he's trying to spin the crisis for his own gain even though his presence for those 2 hours on friday night is absolutely inconsequential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes11 View Post
    wow brilliant move by the republicans ;o
    Unless Obama calls him on his crap and shows how much of a moron he is, this is Obama's chance to show us he isn't a total pussy.

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    From what I actually gather, Obama initially suggested the idea to suspend both their campaigns, Mccain just made a formal announcement first.

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    How would a delay actually help him more than Obama? If you think he's not prepared; why wouldn't he be? He's been around enough to have the knowledge he's likely to need. Obama has studied enough in his life. Frankly, I think a delay is better for Obama; it allows him to work harder on perfecting his skills, which have been spotty in the past. It also places it closer to the actual election, meaning less time to spin and forget a failure.

    Yes, he also calls for Obama to stop campaigning and work on this, but I don't see this as a trap really. It's not going to be a long break. The only real problem for Obama is that the VPs will still probably be campaigning, and that is obviously much stronger for McCain.

    I think the real, non election effects of having the two people who are the current figureheads of their parties, figureheads that bicker and spew bullshit about each other, working together is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Correction View Post
    The timing is too suspicious. Why didn't he suspend his campaign when Bear Stearns failed? Or when Freddie/Fannie failed? Or when Merril Lynch failed?

    OH RIGHT HE WASN'T SEVERELY BEHIND IN POLLS ABOUT THE ECONOMY BACK THEN, how silly of me.
    Because there wasn't a 700B bailout plan being throw around then. If Obama proposed the suspension in order to settle the financial situation out, beckwin would be eating off his balls proclaiming how noble he is. Brilliant political move by McCain no matter how transparent you think it is.

    @Beckwin, say something thought provoking..."he's scurred to debate Obama, LOOK!" Jesus fucking christ.

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    The debates are often the one and only chance for most voters to really see the candidates speak about the issues. Delaying/cancelling them will arguably help a republican campaign that appeals to emotions and 'gut instincts' like trust and personal safety rather than a democratic campaign that appeals to things they have to think about, like self-sacrifice and diplomacy.

    Because there wasn't a 700B bailout plan being throw around then.
    So seizing control of Freddie/Fannie cost the government nothing?

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    So sry McCain lol

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...-not-comm.html

    McCain: Scrap Friday Debate for Bailout; Obama Camp: 'The Debate is On'
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    ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos and Rick Klein report: Sen. John McCain on Wednesday said he would “suspend” his presidential campaign to come to Washington to help negotiate a financial bailout bill, a dramatic move designed to seize a powerful issue.

    However a senior Obama campaign official said Obama "intends to debate."

    "The debate is on," a senior Obama campaign official told ABC News.

    McCain said he called on the Commission on Presidential Debates to postpone the debate scheduled for Friday in Mississippi, to ensure quick congressional action. The campaign is also suspending its advertising, pending an agreement with Obama.

    “I have spoken to Senator Obama and informed him of my decision and have asked him to join me,” McCain planned to say in New York City, according to advance excerpts released by his campaign. “I am calling on the president to convene a meeting with the leadership from both houses of Congress, including Senator Obama and myself. It is time for both parties to come together to solve this problem.”

    Obama supporter and chief debate negotiator Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., told MSNBC that "we can handle both," when asked about his reaction to McCain's call to postpone the first debate because of the administration's bailout plan.

    He believes they are making good progress on Capitol Hill on the bailout and his initial reaction is that the work on the Hill should not preclude the debate from taking place.

    An Obama campaign official told ABC News the Democratic presidential candidate called McCain this morning to suggest a joint statement of principles.

    McCain called back this afternoon and suggested returning to Washington.

    Obama is willing to return to Washington "if it would be helpful." But reiterated Obama intends to debate on Friday.

    McCain and his top advisers said the Republican presidential candidate has not committed to voting for the massive financial bailout plan proposed by the Bush administration, with aides saying he will reserve final judgment until there is a final product.

    A senior McCain campaign official said that the “Bush package is dead. This is a serious situation. Package must be resolved by the time markets open on Monday."

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday that McCain had assured Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson that he would support the $700 billion legislation.

    Asked about that Wednesday, McCain responded: “I did not say that.”

    Senior advisor Mark Salter then interjected saying, “He hasn’t said that to Paulson or to Reid or to anybody else. He hasn’t said that to me.”

    McCain campaign political director Mike DuHaime told reporters at a lunch meeting in Washington that the senator will not commit until he sees the final package that comes to the Senate floor.

    “He’s going to do what he thinks is right,” DuHaime said at a lunch sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor. “He’ll make a vote as a leader in this country, and people will look to him.”

    DuHaime added, “Quite frankly, I think you could ask Sen. Obama if he’s going to do what he thinks is right. I mean, he has never -- I believe -- never once made a decision that is an unpopular decision or went against the orthodoxy of his party, and was one that was one that was a tough decision to make. . . . Sen. McCain has done that throughout his entire career, his entire life -- not just in politics, but his life.”

    DuHaime said that while McCain understands the urgency, many voters continue to have important questions about what the bailout means to them.

    “When you start talking about $10,000 per household or per family to go toward bailing out Wall Street, they have legitimate questions about it,” DuHaime said. “People understand that that is a big thing and it affects them, and they do legitimately have questions about, is this really going to go to bail out companies or leaders of companies who now are relying on taxpayer dollars to bail them out, and are going to get these huge compensation packages after they come to the taxpayers for it.”

    “There is some frustration, certainly, in that, and it’s understandable to say the least. And it has not been a quick rush to say yes or no. People understand the gravity of this, want to see it done right, while still understanding the timing factor.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis View Post
    Very superficial move. As if he's suspending his campaign to save a cat stuck in a tree. I'm sure folksy folk will eat it up alongside the photo-op of Palin with a bunch of foreign dignitaries + Kissenger.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iced
    What? He isn't running from a debate, especially on Foreign Policy, he is asking it to be postponed so THEY can help work on the financial issue that is facing the country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iced
    Omnomnomnom.
    Obama does seem to be in a Catch 22 because of that move though, as said before. Even the "we can handle both" isn't going to look good.

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    For the record, my thoughts are they should suspend the campaigns to focus on this, but keep the debates. There is a lot of scheduling that goes into the debates, it would be wasteful to postpone them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quannum View Post
    why does mccain personally need to attend to it? he doesn't know anything about the economy and his people are the ones who caused shit in the first place. a good leader knows how to delegate responsibilities.
    To the Rescue!!

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    I totally agree. This move by McCain is complete BS. I think he is calling it off cause his shit isn't straight for the debate.

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    This is a good stunt by McCain, Obama not calling him on it isn't Obama being a "pussy" it's him being smart. Do not underestimate the republican political machine when it gets a juicy talking point to smear a candidate with.

    Edit: "The debate is on"? Interesting. We'll see how this goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxxthepenguin View Post
    For the record, my thoughts are they should suspend the campaigns to focus on this, but keep the debates. There is a lot of scheduling that goes into the debates, it would be wasteful to postpone them.
    The vengeful hatred of literally every TV network would likely be a powerful motivator on keeping the debates going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxxthepenguin View Post
    We give way too much money to Isreal.
    It's all really fucked up, don't think for a second that either Isreal or the Palestinians should be fully sided with.
    Hilarious enough; Israel gets multiple times more than what we get, and we're the territory. Perhaps we should start looking into this lobbying business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krandor View Post
    The vengeful hatred of literally every TV network would likely be a powerful motivator on keeping the debates going.
    Yeah, and McCain's campaign has made its talking points based on "OH FUCK THE MEDIA, YO" so they don't have anything to lose there (it's sick how many people buy it, too.)

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    Most of them are getting fed up with McCain's campaign as is so he doesnt really lose anything by garnering their hatred by cancelling them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuya View Post
    Hilarious enough; Israel gets multiple times more than what we get, and we're the territory. Perhaps we should start looking into this lobbying business.
    And the Jews get to control our elections, do you even get to vote?

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