Sarah Palin, Republican Vice Presidential Candidate

[Dimmauk]

lol the World Court? The one we wisely didn't put our head through the noose for?

Do you guys really thing the rest of the world has some magical answer to how to get along with islamofascists, and we're just not getting the memos?

Paris burned. London burned. Madrid blew up.

And yes, conservatives fight wars. Difference is, when we pick 'em, we fight 'em to win.

To the dude saying the McCain should have died in Viet Nam and that the Viet Nam war was a loss, I am curious: Do you really think the lives of 58,671 Americans are the same as 3.5 million Vietnamese? That always seemed racist to me. Oh, that's right, we lost because we left.

And we should leave Iraq, amirite?

We could have easily won Vietnam, all we needed was an Aircraft Carrier and a Giant banner saying we won.

[aurik]

I'd be a lot more enthused about McCain if it wasn't brilliantly obvious that Rove's kids are running his campaign. Seriously, he's got some really good ideas in his tax plan, and I appreciate his long history in the Senate. But the way he's running his campaign, I can't decide if he's gone senile or just content to sacrifice everything he's stood for. Either way, it destroys my confidence in him for president.

[Charismatic]

I have no doubt that he is a good man

Interestingly enough, after seeing how he acts... that's the one thing I do doubt.
I bet Letterman agrees.

[Aerin]

We can't find Obama. Oops, Osama.

Wait Obama... Osama... whoa, aren't we clever?

We think we might know which hemisphere he's in. We stiffed people that turned over bad guys instead of paying ransoms that we promised. We pissed off Pakistan. We do a lot of things wrong.

You admit we do a lot of things wrong, and yet by your logic we'd probably go to war with anyone who wants to kill us. See what shitstorm that gets you into.

But if it makes you sleep better at night blaming bad old George Bush and Dick Cheney (HALLIBURTON!!!) because the real terrorists, the islamofacists that would cut off your head and put the video on youtube as a recruiting poster, go for it.

Indeed it does. But it's okay, I'm pretty sure it makes you sleep pretty soundly at night using Obama's full name 24/7 so I guess we're even.

[Silenus]

Roosevelt used the term Nazis.

Oops, godwined the thread.

I must lose, right?

Or is the world facing an implacable enemy the likes of which it has only seen once before, and it is a valid comparison?

Hmmmm

[quannum]

ITT: Political whirlwind tour of fallacies w/ your host Silenus

[aurik]

Being a liberal atheist soldier, I agree with most of what you said here. However change the word "not smart" to generally "less educated".

Good catch, my reasoning supports "less educated".

[Silenus]

No, I'm saying it's a strange thing how we lose 58,671 men and women, and they lose 3,500,000+ and you think they won.

'Cause we're having this conversation in Vietnamese, right?

Do any of you even remember the war? How JFK got us into it, and Johnson screwed it up worse, and finally Nixon got us the hell out of there?

[Correction]

It's like we blasted off all the stupid from Guartz and Egon and they drained into a ditch, reforming Carnage-like into Silenus...

'Islamofascist' has about as much substance as 'boogeyman.' Naming your enemies vaguely is a propaganda tool. Seriously, you are not helping your own cause by chanting slogans like 'Mission Accomplished' over and over and playing the xenophobia card.

[aurik]

War. It's like football, with corpses instead of field goals.

[Silenus]

Yeah, we're at war with people that want to kill us, because, um, they want to kill us.

So, technically, anybody that wants to kill us is a potential enemy, and anyone that has the means is an actual enemy.

And when they kill 3000 innocent men, women and children in the most dastardly attack ever witnessed on American soil, yup, we're at war with them.

Just some of you don't know who "them" is.

[aurik]

I know who "them" is, and I can tell you it wasn't Saddam Hussein. Or Barack Hussein!!!

[Aerin]

Do you guys really thing the rest of the world has some magical answer to how to get along with islamofascists, and we're just not getting the memos?

Paris burned. London burned. Madrid blew up.

And yes, conservatives fight wars. Difference is, when we pick 'em, we fight 'em to win.

So at what point is it enough? I really want to know. How far does our economy have to fall into the shitter for you to think, okay maybe we should try something else. Or maybe you'd just have us over there and elsewhere no matter how bankrupt we become, to the point we can't even defend ourselves anymore and the middle class has all but evaporated.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Roosevelt used the term Nazis.

Oops, godwined the thread.

I must lose, right?

Or is the world facing an implacable enemy the likes of which it has only seen once before, and it is a valid comparison?

Hmmmm

Nazi was just a shortened version of the self-identified political party National Socialists (ironically extremely anti-socialist, but most of the early people who tried to use Marxist terminology were terribly wrong anyways)


First of all, LOL at thinking the Nazis are the worst group to ever happen to the world. As a Jew, I can say that's categorically false.

And Islamofascism is just a term that is wrong. It's emotionally resonant, but factually incorrect. They aren't into imperialistic domination. They don't follow the fascist ideals.

But yes, you do lose.

[Charismatic]

Just some of you don't know who "them" is.

Educate me.

[Silenus]

I know. It's Islamofascists. But some of you think that word is mean and want Barack Hussein Obama to make nice with "them".

[Elvis]

As opposed the 1 million innocent Iraqi children we killed with harsh economic sanctions?

As opposed to the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians we've killed during the course of our occupation?

Etc etc etc etc

Shut the fuck up.

[Aerin]

Do any of you even remember the war? How JFK got us into it, and Johnson screwed it up worse, and finally Nixon got us the hell out of there?

I remember something called The Gulf of Tonkin. Is that what you're getting at?

[dude]

As opposed the 1 million innocent Iraqi children we killed with harsh economic sanctions?

As opposed to the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians we've killed during the course of our occupation?

Etc etc etc etc

Shut the fuck up.

when you say WE you mean the UN also ?

[Correction]

Do any of you even remember the war? How JFK got us into it, and Johnson screwed it up worse, and finally Nixon got us the hell out of there?

You'd have to be fifty years old to 'remember' anything about the war. And now you're talking like Nixon rescued us from the war out of the goodness of his heart.