Sarah Palin, Republican Vice Presidential Candidate

[geno]

The third pic of Biden makes him look like some creepy old guy taking his glasses off so he can get a better view of a girl in a short skirt or something.

Wow now that you say it, that's all I can see now. And it makes it even better.

[SDSD]

cnn is arguably the least biased mainstream news channel.

So this is really late, but even though I totally agree with you on CNN giving both sides play, I prefer Reuters and BBC to get the real picture. Foreign journalists usually don't play bullshit games unless it's the op-ed section.

[Drex]

I'm watching the re-airing and I am really not seeing how anyone can be impressed by Palin at all.

[_chuchu]

Kissinger topic is back D:

[kuronosan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9u0S8tt_N4

Best freakin point made ever.

[Null]

That was one of the greatest come backs I've seen in a political debate. Made up for what seemed like a rather dull debate. I even love the fact that Palin couldn't come up with a come back on that. You could just see her lower her head.

[Killerme]

The Daily Show had a great moment of Zen with Joe Biden:

http://www.truveo.com/Moment-of-Zen-.../id/1009520803

[Olo401]

Okay you guys had a party last night so I'll try to catch up..

they expected her to be stupid, and when she was ...."decent" it was a GREAT SUCCESS!

...okay?

lowered expectations. everyone was ready for an utter trainwreck after the last week or two of interviews.

comparatively speaking, tonight was flawless!

palin only did better than expected in respect to flow/coherency/being able to say something compared to the Couric interviews

So yeah I'm watching this last night and seriously.. given how absolutely TERRIBLE she made herself look in her interviews before the debate this was a major improvement. I expected this to happen after seeing her debate for governor a couple years back and a couple interviews that she did with news stations up in Anchorage. It's a great trick and to ordinary people it made her look good. I seriously thought she did well.

There's a problem with this strategy though. If you're so far down in the polls that you need to change A LOT of minds, then you can't just do well. You have to kick your opponent's ass. Otherwise the best you can do is look as good as your opponent, and in that case it'll look like a draw and you risk even losing some ground as people look at your opponent and think "hey Biden's not so bad either".

Even worse is when your opponent knows what you're doing. Biden picked up on the fix and elevated his game. And he did it without falling into the sexist traps. He just plain out-debated her, and he put all the zingers in the right places. He made her look like a candidate for student council.

and I deliver! thanks for the link rockstaru

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...biden_csi2.jpg

So much win.. lawlz

[Elvis]

Yep. As everyone's been saying, she didn't 'win' the debate, but she did improve her image.

[Odon]

"THERE YOU GO AGAIN JOE AYE DAG GONNIT" - Had me fucking rolling.

[Zilong]

Yep. As everyone's been saying, she didn't 'win' the debate, but she did improve her image.

For what it's worth though, I think as long as she made through the 90 minutes without drooling, shitting on herself, or goes onto fetal position, she'd met her status quo as far as her image is concerned.

[Remyo]

and I deliver! thanks for the link rockstaru

[IMG]cockriding[/IMG]

he needs to have glasses on, part of why it was funny.

[Vandalhart]

Well, this doesn't really affect me as much as some of the other people on the boards, but I felt for the first like half an hour, all she did was pander to the "middle class". Overall, for the first little bit, it seemed a lot like she was undergoing a job interview and trying to use dirty tricks/beg for the job, which is not what I expected at all.

[0ni0n]

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/2484/539wcv7zt9.jpg



also the winks and shoutout to the 3rd graders are ridiculous.

[Norelco]

*bow* Beckwin

Thanks! That is fucking awesome.

[Norelco]

I can't stand Bill O'Reilly, but this video was incredibly entertaining to me: http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.co...ney-frank.html

[Charismatic]

Someone shop some shades onto Biden in the first 2 frames

[Quixon]

That Biden comic is fucking Win lol.

[Dimmauk]

The Garbage Palin Kids, the Choo Choo, and the CSI pics are fuckin killing me.


Yahoo has the factchecks from the debate ready.

Some facts adrift in veep debate

By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 40 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Republican Sarah Palin criticized a version of a Barack Obama health care plan that doesn't exist and Democrat Joe Biden clung to a misleading charge about Republicans and big oil when the two clashed in the vice presidential debate Thursday.
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Some examples of facts cast adrift in the debate:

PALIN: Said of Democratic presidential candidate Obama: "94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction."

THE FACTS: The dubious count includes repetitive votes as well as votes to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the rich. An analysis by factcheck.org found that 23 of the votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all, seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, 11 would have increased taxes on only those making more than $1 million a year.

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BIDEN: Complained about "economic policies of the last eight years" that led to "excessive deregulation."

THE FACTS: Biden voted for 1999 deregulation that liberal groups are blaming for part of the financial crisis today. The law allowed Wall Street investment banks to create the kind of mortgage-related securities at the core of the problem now. The law was widely backed by Republicans as well as by Democratic President Clinton, who argues it has stopped the crisis today from being worse.

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PALIN: Criticized Obama's "plan to mandate health care coverage and have universal government run program" for health care, and added: "I don't think it's going to be real pleasing for Americans to consider health care being taken over by the Feds."

THE FACTS: Wrong on several counts. Obama's plan does not provide for universal coverage, only mandates insurance for children and doesn't turn the system over to the government. Most people would still get private insurance through their work. Obama proposes that the government subsidize the cost of health coverage for millions who have trouble affording it and he'd set up an exchange to negotiate prices and benefits with private insurers — with one option being a government-run plan.

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BIDEN: Warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain's $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage "will go straight to the insurance company."

THE FACTS: That's not surprising — the money is meant to pay for health insurance. The Obama campaign tried to capitalize on the candidates' health care exchange by issuing an ad Friday contending that the Republicans can't explain "the McCain health tax."

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PALIN: "Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell."

THE FACTS: Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska led an effort in 2005 to tighten regulation on the mortgage underwriters — McCain joined as a co-sponsor a year later. The legislation was never taken up by the full Senate, then under Republican control.

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BIDEN: Said McCain supports tax breaks for oil companies, and "wants to give them another $4 billion tax cut."

THE FACTS: Biden is repeating a favorite saw of the Obama campaign, and it's misleading. McCain supports a cut in income taxes for all corporations, and doesn't single out any one industry for that benefit.

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PALIN: Said the United States has reduced its troop level in Iraq to a number below where it was when the troop increase began in early 2007.

THE FACTS: Not correct. The Pentagon says there are currently 152,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, about 17,000 more than there were before the 2007 military buildup began.

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BIDEN: "As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry — deregulate it and let the free market move — like he did for the banking industry."

THE FACTS: Biden and Obama have been perpetuating this distortion of what McCain wrote in an article for the American Academy of Actuaries. McCain, laying out his health plan, only referred to deregulation when saying people should be allowed to buy health insurance across state lines. In that context, he wrote: "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation."

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PALIN: Said Alaska is "building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline, which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets."

THE FACTS: Not quite. Construction is at least six years away. So far the state has only awarded a license to Trans Canada Corp., that comes with $500 million in seed money in exchange for commitments toward a lengthy and costly process to getting a federal certificate. At an August news conference after the state Legislature approved the license, Palin said, "It's not a done deal."

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PALIN: "Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year."

BIDEN: "The charge is absolutely not true. Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes."

THE FACTS: The vote was on a nonbinding budget resolution that assumed that President Bush's tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, in 2011. If that actually happened, it could mean higher taxes for people making as little as about $42,000. But Obama is proposing tax increases only on the wealthy, and would cut taxes for most others.

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PALIN: Said a McCain-Palin administration "will support Israel," including "building our embassy ... in Jerusalem."

THE FACTS: Moving the U.S. Embassy from its present location in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem is a perennial promise of presidential candidates courting the Jewish-American vote. In fact, moving the embassy is actually required by U.S. law. But successive administrations of both parties, including George W. Bush's, have made the same pledge only to find that the realities of Middle East peacemaking have forced them to invoke a waiver to delay it. Jerusalem is claimed as a capital by both Israel and the Palestinians and Israel's occupation of east Jerusalem is not internationally recognized. The city's status is one of the key issues of disagreement in peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.

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Associated Press writers Tom Raum, Steve Quinn, Jim Kuhnhenn, Lolita Baldor and Matthew Lee contributed to this report.

[0ni0n]

I wish the debaters are strapped on a lie detector with real-time fact checking in the background, like instant replay in sports.