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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckwin View Post
    and then the obama tax cuts would take place, leading to the chart shown above. keep telling yourself that isn't true though, and he'd really be raising taxes on everyone.
    Does that chart include the FICA taxes? What about him wanting to raise capital gains taxes? And he also want's to raise the corporate to right? Maybe Palin should have been more specific, but he does want to raise some taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampdonkeyPLD View Post
    Does that chart include the FICA taxes? What about him wanting to raise capital gains taxes? And he also want's to raise the corporate to right? Maybe Palin should have been more specific, but he does want to raise some taxes.
    no shit he's gonna raise some taxes, but when it comes to middle class families and small business owners, virtually no one will see an increase and in most cases will see decreases. both obama and biden have been very up front about the taxes they do plan to raise.

    stop being an idiot about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampdonkeyPLD View Post
    Does that chart include the FICA taxes? What about him wanting to raise capital gains taxes? And he also want's to raise the corporate to right? Maybe Palin should have been more specific, but he does want to raise some taxes.
    But isn't it dishonest to portray his package as strictly a "tax increase" when the net effect of the package would end up being a tax cut for a vast majority of households?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aurik View Post
    But isn't it dishonest to portray his package as strictly a "tax increase" when the net effect of the package would end up being a tax cut for a vast majority of households?
    Well, it is exactly what you were talking about in your post higher up on the page : /

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    And that's why it's a great example of what I'm talking about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aurik View Post
    But isn't it dishonest to portray his package as strictly a "tax increase" when the net effect of the package would end up being a tax cut for a vast majority of households?
    I'd have to agree. Would have been better imo to get specific and try to articulate something.

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    Yep, which she totally missed opportunity to do that. Count how many times Biden mentioned a 4 billion dollar cut for Exxon in the debate--that resonates with people, even though it is a bit of a canard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampdonkeyPLD View Post
    I'd have to agree. Would have been better imo to get specific and try to articulate something.
    I don't think listing the specifics would have resonated with people as well as the broad and rather untrue generality, "He'll raise your taxes!" A lot of people either aren't affected by or don't understand the taxes you listed that he is likely to raise. Do you think the average American would be appalled to hear that "He'll even raise corporate taxes!"? In this age of hatred for wall street and CEOs, I don't think it would have been a smart thing to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senoska View Post
    Palin is way hotter than that chick.


    That was pretty retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckwin View Post
    no shit he's gonna raise some taxes, but when it comes to middle class families and small business owners, virtually no one will see an increase and in most cases will see decreases. both obama and biden have been very up front about the taxes they do plan to raise.

    stop being an idiot about this.
    until it comes to the taxing of larger businesses coupled with another raise in minimum wage and they can't afford to pay as many employees. why punish success and reward failure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by senoska View Post
    Is it wrong that I wish that were really her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remyo View Post
    until it comes to the taxing of larger businesses coupled with another raise in minimum wage and they can't afford to pay as many employees. why punish success and reward failure?
    because American middle class are failing, right? wait.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charismatic View Post
    Is it wrong that I wish that were really her?
    I'll admit I was pretty damn excited for about .02 seconds there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senoska View Post
    because American middle class are failing, right? wait.......
    varying degrees of middle class, plus why award average?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remyo View Post
    varying degrees of middle class, plus why award average?
    Is it really AWARDING the 'average'? Or investing into the average which is also the majority, in which could AWARD the entire country as a whole? Im fairly certain thats the goal.

    When the middle class is doing well, the entire country is doing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remyo View Post
    varying degrees of middle class, plus why award average?
    rewarding average = giving them access to health care, rite? DO GUD GUIS (And by that I mean be born into wealth) OR YOU"RE GOING TO DIE AT 50 FROM SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

    Yes, caps were necessary.

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    CLASS WARFARE!?!

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    Okay I must be missing something here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Palin
    "What I would do, also, if that were ever to happen, though, is to continue the good work he is so committed to of putting government back on the side of the people and get rid of the greed and corruption on Wall Street and in Washington," Palin said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Language Monitor President Paul Payack
    "When she said it, it sounded good, but on paper it's a completely different animal," Payack said. "It's like, what is that?"
    And then it says this:

    Payack praised the usually longer-winded Biden for showing restraint here. "In a typical Joe Biden thing, this sentence would serve as a launching point to even more complex and convoluted statements. Last night, he was particularly reserved, and you only had to be a college graduate to decipher it, according to the readability statistics."
    So... Biden was the one speaking at the lower grade level because you had to have a higher education to understand what was being said? o.O

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