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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimmauk View Post
    People act like we dont have any socialism in America already.
    Or even have a clue what socialism is.

    Socialism: You give [to society] based on ability, and get [from society] based on work done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis View Post
    It's so sad to see that a person's name, skin color and religion could carry so much weight in the election. To quote Jon Stewart, alot of americans are unfit to vote.

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    Man watching Michelle Obama on the Daily Show I was just thinking man, every time I see her talk she's waaay more impressive than Palin...


    And then I kinda go hey, wait a minute...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0ni0n View Post
    and we should have some more... I propose free college for all, in addition to the k-12 education, provided that you can get in the college of your choice by merit.
    By the year 2050ish, the socialism in this country that already exists, will put us so far in debt, that if you sold everything in North America worth at least one penny, you would still be over 10 trillion short. Wonder what happens at that point.

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    Has anyone here seen The Mist?

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    The post-rally clip reminded me of the religious fanaticism and cult/mob mentality that happened in the movie..

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    oh look swampy is making up bullshit figures. aaaaaaaaaaanyway, check out what Latin America is saying about the bailout:

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/53611.html

    Best line, courtesy of Comrade Chavez: "they say, 'Chavez is regulating prices. He is violating the laws of the marketplace.' How many times have they criticized me for nationalizing the phone company? They say, 'The state shouldn't get involved in that.' But now they don't criticize Bush for having nationalize . . . the biggest banks in the world. Comrade Bush, how are you?"

    XD XD XD

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    I already showed you those figures once, no need to lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampdonkeyPLD View Post
    By the year 2050ish, the socialism in this country that already exists, will put us so far in debt, that if you sold everything in North America worth at least one penny, you would still be over 10 trillion short. Wonder what happens at that point.
    Yeah, fuck civil rights and fuck overtime pay (which is extremely socialist)


    The proper thing to say is if left alone those programs will fuck us up. At no point do I think anyone handles leaving the programs alone and not improving them as time goes on, it's just hard to do.

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    you showed me they were bullshit, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckwin View Post
    you showed me they were bullshit, yes.
    Facts suck when they get in the way don't they?

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    That's a pretty steep claim to not back up with some kind of data.

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    What you're saying implies that after taxes over the 50 years, we'd be in debt 10 trillion after selling every single asset in the country because of social programs.

    post the link again so I can trash it again, because that's flat-out bullshit. there's tens of trillions of dollars in real estate alone, just to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Day View Post
    That's a pretty steep claim to not back up with some kind of data.
    http://books.google.com/books?id=nj2...1w7w#PPA135,M1

    Was household wealth in this country, my bad.

    Edit: You never trashed it the first time lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampdonkeyPLD View Post
    By the year 2050ish, the socialism in this country that already exists, will put us so far in debt, that if you sold everything in North America worth at least one penny, you would still be over 10 trillion short. Wonder what happens at that point.
    If we could stop spreading democracy overseas, we will have enough money to not only make college education universal but also fix all the problems associated with healthcare, education, and social security. We are also spending on defense way more than everyone else, as if WW3 is about to break out. We can easily contain defense spending to fund education. It's a no brainer to me.

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    .........your source is the fairtax book?

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    btw obama has talked about raising the cap on the payroll tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0ni0n View Post
    If we could stop spreading democracy overseas, we will have enough money to not only make college education universal but also fix all the problems associated with healthcare, education, and social security. We are also spending on defense way more than everyone else, as if WW3 is about to break out. We can easily contain defense spending to fund education. It's a no brainer to me.
    But if we do that the Terrorists win and are going to kill us!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckwin View Post
    .........your source is the fairtax book?

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    That also seems to cite no sources. I guess I don't follow how the fair tax has anything to do with socialization/privatization really either.

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