Sarah Palin, Republican Vice Presidential Candidate

[Saphirea]

Because conservatives' opinions are often blatantly dishonest and disingenuous. Take a look at what Rush and Oreilly are saying on their shows, sometimes you really need to call it for what it is. Liberal opinions may be socialistic often times, but they make sense and appeal to logic and common sense.

I would actually agree with you but the Oreilly interview with Franks was pretty damn sweet. I can't stand Oreilly on most days and I don't listen to Rush.

[Tempyst]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/an-inter...the-year-2012/

here's some good laughs... only about 1/3 of the way through but pretty funny.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7...nclosetds5.jpg

holy fucking lol at this

[Feedmenow]

I think he's saying that if anyone posts a right-wing article, it's immediately dismissed as bullshit, but if anyone posts a left-wing article it's immediately taken as fact.

And? People in political threads aren't really bipartisan in any aspect.

[Demosthenes11]

so now it's ok to dismiss / accept things purely based on whether you agree with it?

This coming from people of "logic" ? wow

[Dimmauk]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7...nclosetds5.jpg

holy fucking lol at this

I liked this


http://www.cracked.com/blog/wp-conte...arack_baby.jpg
Obama opens up his desk drawer and pulls out a live baby, which he cradles gently. He opens a window and a bald eagle soars in and perches on his shoulder. Dramatic, majestic and patriotic music begins its crescendo from somewhere. A lot of timpani and French horns. Almost definitely written by John Williams.

[Churchill]

Pretty sad when demo and swamp are right.

My favorite retard quote from the last 30 posts or so:

Because conservatives' opinions are often blatantly dishonest and disingenuous. Take a look at what Rush and Oreilly are saying on their shows, sometimes you really need to call it for what it is. Liberal opinions may be socialistic often times, but they make sense and appeal to logic and common sense.

[Melchiah]

To be fair, demos11 in most cases will make an attempt to discuss points of view. Swampy just regurgitates ultra-conservative propaganda, repeatedly, even after the repeated asshandings from aurik.

[0ni0n]

Pretty sad when demo and swamp are right.

My favorite retard quote from the last 30 posts or so:

If you worship Rush and Oreilly as the granite of truth, then be my guest.

[Beckwin]

Arocena supporter Perez was recently seen hugging the GOP presidential candidate at a recent campaign event. In addition to Perez, supporters of Arocena, whose victims include Eulalio José Negrin, a New Jersey man who died in his 13 year-old son's arms, include one of John McCain's closest allies, Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman.

and it's pretty well known that anti-Castro terrorists have gotten a free pass. The point of the opinion piece is that it's ridiculous or a double standard to damn Obama for associations with Ayers (who was citizen of the year at one point and a prominent chicago figure, especially in education) when McCain and teh GOP openly embraces anti-Castro groups which have also been guilty of terrorism in the past. The article doesn't say MCCAIN IS TEH TERRURST!!!!!!!!!!! it's simply discusses the anti-Castro movement's ties to the GOP to give perspective on the Ayers thing.

It's not making any outlandish claims, like freeper links claiming Saddam really had tons of WMDs or rumors about Michelle's imaginary "kill whitey" tape. or crap that obama secretly tried to convince the iraqi gov't to keep the troops in (written as being fact by someone not known for presenting facts).

[Dimmauk]

I wonder if John Stewart or Keith Oberman would get ever ownd like Sean Hannity got ownd by Robert Gibbs.

[Churchill]

If you worship Rush and Oreilly as the granite of truth, then be my guest.

Yes...granite.

[Demosthenes11]

I wonder if John Stewart or Keith Oberman would get ever ownd like Sean Hannity got ownd by Robert Gibbs.

I'm pretty sure anybody could own sean "great american" hannity. After about 5 minutes of his show, im either crying out of shame, laughing, or yelling. My gf made me stop listening =(

[Zosi]

There's a big difference between posting a link to an opinion piece as "proof" of something you're claiming, and posting a link to an opinion piece as a topic of discussion.

It's fine to use op/ed pieces to set the topic of discussion, but some people here like to treat them as primary sources for information, which is just stupid and WILL get you flamed by the "other side".

Edit: I should specify that as op/ed pieces that do NOT have more credible sources listed, which are the vast majority of them.

[Kuya]

Because conservatives' opinions are often blatantly dishonest and disingenuous. Take a look at what Rush and Oreilly are saying on their shows, sometimes you really need to call it for what it is. Liberal opinions may be socialistic often times, but they make sense and appeal to logic and common sense.

That's a generalization.

Are you saying liberals complain about conservative articles and conservatives complain about liberal articles?

get this motherfucker a nobel prize

Thank goodness you never claim to be objective.

[Daimen-G]

The right does tend to base arguments on appeals to emotion and religion more often, which can be considered logically unsound. That doesn't discredit all lean-right news sources, though.

[Aerin]

So the Right says Obama is a terrorist for palling around with Ayers, and the Left says McCain is a terrorist for palling around with Anti-Castro Terrorists. Both guilty? Or Both bullshit stories?

Or who cares the cause the Market fell for the 8th straight day.

I'm going to have to go with this. Unless it's some huge news story that all the stations are talking about and calling for [insert candidates name here] to apologize/explain, I'm not going to pay much attention to it. Especially with the way things are going now.

[archibaldcrane]

Is anyone disagreeing about the hypocritical sentiment expressed in the "some terrorists are ok, some are not" position of that article, or disagreeing with the idea that McCain has connections to people accused of being ex-Cuban terrorists?

If you've got a beef with a specific claim, bring it up - that's the point of this whole thing, not "omg the source!" Don't hem and haw around the topic, if you think the claim is bullshit say so.

[Olo401]

Actually didn't you hear? McCain has connections to that Ayers dude..

List of Ambassadors to endorse and donate the maximum amount to McCain includes Leonore Annenberg - widow of Walter Annenberg, who founded the educational committee in Chicago that Ayers and Obama served on together.

Oh look.. Obama and McCain have the exact same connection to a 60s radical terrorist! I guess they're both sympathisers. But you won't hear that fact from McCain because Republicans are a bunch of fucking saints.

[Kuya]

Now for something a little more important (incredibly TL;DR):
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/...te_rigging_and

JUAN GONZALEZ: Election Day is less than a month away, and a record-breaking voter turnout is expected in the 2008 race. But voting rights groups are warning that tens of thousands of registered voters might not be able to cast a ballot come November 4th.

Beyond the documented problems of electronic voting machines, thousands of names have been purged from the rolls in several states, including at least six swing states. In some states, voters have been deemed ineligible because of voter registration laws that require photo identification or due to state officials checking voter names against Social Security databases.

Democrats and Republicans are locked in court battles over these in a number of states across the country. While Democrats say they’re trying to prevent attempts to block votes, Republicans say they are trying to prevent voter fraud.

GREG PALAST: The presidency could be decided right here. Republicans won New Mexico last time by barely 5,000 votes. Which voters have gone missing?
A lot of poor folk on this street—officially, they don’t exist. In fact, this whole street doesn’t exist.
Low-income voters, especially, have been purged from voter rolls under new US law. Republicans claim these purge laws are needed to prevent voter fraud. We caught up with one of the party’s top anti-fraud crusaders at a Republican celebration. Lawyer Pat Rogers singled out ACORN, a Democratic Party-linked group.
Are the Democrats using fraudulent means to stuff the voter rolls and steal the election?

PAT ROGERS: My experience in Albuquerque with the ACORN group is that they were involved in serious registration fraud. My experience in Albuquerque with the elections over the last few years have indicated that there have been isolated instances of voter fraud.
GREG PALAST: It’s true that several ACORN workers were convicted of making up fake names for the voter rolls, because they were paid for each name they collected. But there’s no evidence that any fictional voter actually cast a ballot. Rogers still fears they’ll appear in November.
PAT ROGERS: If you’re going to go to this effort and this expense of having fraudulent people register, why would you do that? People say that there is no fraud here, but there is.
GREG PALAST: I drove into Detroit to investigate whether Republican plans to stop fraudulent voters might also capture innocent victims of the economic crisis. In Michigan, 62,000 families now face losing their homes to foreclosure on their mortgages. In neighborhoods like this, half the houses have been repossessed.

ROBERT PRATT: This is my son. This is my son here. This is Robert.
GREG PALAST: He’s lost his son, his home, and now he could lose his vote. A reporter for the Michigan Messenger wrote that the local Republican chairman told the journalist that his party would challenge residents right at the polling station to stop them from voting if their names are on a foreclosure list. The Republicans now deny this. But the Michigan Messenger sticks by its story.
There’s another issue. If you lose this house, there is an allegation that the Republican Party is—
ROBERT PRATT: Don’t want us to vote. And that’s not—I mean, that’s like saying we’re not a United States citizen anymore. You know, we lose our house, we lose our right to vote. That’s not right. That’s not fair.
GREG PALAST: This is the second time this family has faced foreclosure. Last time, they were thrown out by a company called Trott & Trott, a firm that evicts more than a hundred Michigan homeowners every day.
ROBERT PRATT: Trott & Trott—I mean, come on. That’s a mortgage company that’s here in Michigan that then got a lot of peoples and put a lot of peoples out on the street. I mean, to a lot of homeowners, that’s like an enemy.
GREG PALAST: Home after home after home, foreclosed, boarded up, abandoned.
But in an exclusive enclave nearby, there are no boards over the windows. These go for $10 million apiece.
Wow! No foreclosure sign on this house. This is the home of David Trott. He is Michigan’s foreclosure king. No one has evicted more families in this state.
What’s this below the Stars and Stripes? The Jolly Roger? It’s Mr. Trott’s flag. And this is Mr. Trott’s office. And it’s also Mr. McCain’s office.
The Republicans are renting their local headquarters from Mr. Trott’s eviction operation.
Greg Palast, BBC Television.
The Republicans wouldn’t speak with us, but they deny they are going to use foreclosure lists to challenge voters. So, we went upstairs.
And right upstairs from McCain headquarters, Mr. Trott.
David Trott not only houses the Republican Party, he’s also one of their biggest Michigan contributors. He and his wife have given hundreds of thousands to the party.
McCain has just given up on Michigan, yet the foreclosure controversy remains key to swing states Nevada and Florida.
And now, to the critical swing state of Colorado, where SUVs have replaced the buffalos that used to roam the plains. According to this report, Colorado voters are going the way of the buffalo: they’re disappearing. This government report says that nearly one in five voters, 19.4 percent, were taken off the rolls in an unparalleled, massive purge. Democrats accuse Republican Secretary of State Donetta Davidson of orchestrating the purge. But she says local officials have the final say over voter rolls.
She ended up here, in Washington, when George Bush appointed her head of the United States Elections Assistance Commission, where her job is to tell the rest of the nation how to run unbiased elections. She commissioned a report on election fixing. The report came in like this, but came out like this. It was written by Republican and Democratic experts. They concluded that Republican fears of widespread voter fraud were unfounded. This is the report’s author, Tova Wang.
TOVA WANG: This idea of massive in-person polling place fraud on Election Day is just an absolute myth.
GREG PALAST: The bipartisan team found Democrats were right to worry that legitimate voters were being excluded, but by the time Bush’s chairwoman published the report, the experts’ conclusions were turned upside-down.
TOVA WANG: They left out a lot of the information that we provided regarding voter intimidation and vote suppression. They left out—edited out a number of things that could be perceived as critical of the Department of Justice’s handling of voter intimidation cases.
GREG PALAST: US law permits political party workers to go right into the polling stations and challenge voters when they show up to vote. Experts fear this could lead to intimidation of legitimate voters. Despite the election experts’ views, Republicans demanded new grounds for challenge, they said, to stop Democrats cheating.
UNIDENTIFIED: We know that, and we know—your party rests on the base of electoral fraud.
GREG PALAST: The answer came from the man known as Bush’s brain, Karl Rove, who demanded new ID voting laws.
KARL ROVE: I go to the grocery store, and I want to cash a check to pay for my groceries, I’ve got to show a little bit of ID. Why should it not be reasonable and responsible to say that when people show up at the voting place, they ought to be able to prove who they are by showing some form of ID?
GREG PALAST: New ID laws will hit black voters hardest, says Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., son of the late attorney general, and voting rights lawyer.
You know, Karl Rove said he goes to the grocery store, he has to show an ID to cash a check. So, why can’t you be required to show a photo ID when you vote for president of the United States?
That seems sensible. However, in America, it raises a racial issue.
ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.: I have an ID, and most Americans have an ID. But one out of every ten Americans don’t have a government-issued ID, because they don’t travel abroad, so they don’t have passports, and they don’t drive a car, so they don’t have driver’s licenses. The number rises to one in five when you’re dealing with the African American community.
GREG PALAST: Altogether, an estimated 100,000 black voters in just one swing state, Indiana, will lose their vote to the new law.
But when I stopped by the Native American pueblos of New Mexico, I discovered that when it comes to voter suppression, Democrats don’t have clean hands, either. Local politicians wanted to reopen a uranium mine on the pueblos’ sacred mountain. The pueblos were not happy.
NATIVE AMERICAN MAN: See, that’s a very sacred mountain that we have. There is a place, special place, that we pray for—to have a nice summer, have good rain.
GREG PALAST: The officials gave the pueblos ballots without envelopes. Then these same politicians threw out their votes, because they didn’t come in the right envelopes. The Democrats were charged with cheating the pueblos by this man, David Iglesias, a rising Republican star appointed US prosecutor by George Bush. But the Bush administration wanted him to go after individual Democrat voters. Republicans bombarded Iglesias with allegations of fraud by Democrats.
DAVID IGLESIAS: Over 100 complaints we investigated for almost two years. I didn’t find one prosecutable voter fraud case in the entire state of New Mexico.
GREG PALAST: So the Bush administration fired him.
Not prosecuting innocent people led to your removal?
DAVID IGLESIAS: Yeah. I mean, they wanted some splashy pre-election indictments that would scare these other—these alleged hordes of illegal voters away. They were looking for politicized—for improperly politicized US attorneys to file bogus voter fraud cases.
GREG PALAST: In the last presidential election, officially, three million votes were cast and never counted. This time, it could go a lot higher.
And then, there is the chronic shortage of voting machines. In Ohio last time, voters in prosperous white neighborhoods waited only fifteen minutes to vote, while voters in poor black areas waited in line four hours. It all adds up, and it can change the outcome.
TOVA WANG: If you combine people who are disenfranchised by voter ID, people who are disenfranchised by other things, such as there not being enough voting machines, combined with people who will be shut out because they have been left off the voter registration list, that’s enough to swing the election.
GREG PALAST: If the final count is as close as the polls indicate, the next man in that house won’t be chosen by counting the votes, but by blocking the voters.

GREG PALAST: Well, that’s the problem, is that we have millions and millions and millions of people being purged off the voter rolls, like in the state of Colorado, it was stunning to find out that one in five voters had their names simply erased by the Republican secretary of state. And then George Bush found—picked her out and made her the head of the US Elections Assistance Commission, as—you know, our joke in the comic book is that Bush wanted to name her “purgin’ general,” but Rove said it was a bit too much. So, this is one of the big problems.
You’re going to have millions of people walk into the voting booth, if you’re in Colorado, especially in New Mexico, Nevada, Ohio, Michigan—if you have any foreclosure problems, anything, they’re going to tell you you can’t vote, and they’re going to try to either get you out of the voting booth or give you a provisional ballot. And what we’re trying to tell you is how you can, in effect, steal it back.
So, look, Kennedy and I are coming out with an exposé in Rolling Stone next week on the massive theft of the vote in November. And we were kind of shaken up about it, because—so, Jesse Jackson recommended to us, said, “Look, that’s so grim. You’re going to discourage people from voting. They’re going to say there’s no chance. So you’ve got to do something.” So what we did is we—you know, facing a democracy crisis in America, we did what you have to do, which is to create a comic book. And it’s twenty-four pages of full color with the idea that it tells you—it gives you the Rolling Stone story, with Ted Rall and other great comics laying it out, but then also telling you how you—you know, how you steal it back. And so, we have six ways that they’re stealing the election, but then seven ways you can steal it back.

GREG PALAST: Well, as—you know, why don’t Democrats stand up? For the same reason as jellyfish. They don’t—you know, invertebrates, but—or as my co-author, Kennedy, said, they’re cowards. But, you know, he’s true blue. I’m not a Democrat. And, by the way, the guide is totally nonpartisan, so you—which means you can take it into the booth with you, by the way, to protect yourself, the Steal Back Your Vote comic.
And why don’t the Democrats protect voters? Because they’re in on the game. As you saw in New Mexico, you had Democratic Party officials knocking off the Native American vote, which is huge in New Mexico. It’s a swing vote in New Mexico. And they’re all Democrats—Native Americans—almost to a one. But they wanted to stop a uranium mine locally, and so the local policy want their baksheesh from the uranium mine are knocking off Native American votes. We see this in Colorado, we see this in Florida, where local Democratic officials are in on the purge, in on the game, trying to block the low-income minority voters. There are so many dangers now for the new voter, for the minority voter, for the elderly voter. There are so many tricks that they’re using now. It’s not one thing.
You know, I think a lot of people remember me from busting open the Florida purge of 2000 when Katherine Harris said that thousands of black folk were felons, when their only crime was voting while black. You know, that was kind of the magic bullet they gave in Florida. Kennedy, my co-author of the comic book and Rolling Stone article, showed how they stole Ohio.
Now what we see is a nationwide kind of Floridation of the nation, under something called the Help America Vote Act, because, you know, Bush is now trying to help us vote. It’s under the Help America Vote Act, where it’s like a whole series of things. So we have the mass purges. We have new ID laws.
How many new voters in America that have just signed up and all of those Obamaniacs realize that if you mail in your ballot on a first-time vote, almost every state requires you to also include a photocopy of your government ID? Obama is going to lose a million votes from absentee ballots which are mailed in without ID. It’s a new requirement. They don’t tell you that. In some cases, like Kentucky, you’ve got to serve—you have to notarize it. I mean, it’s completely out of control, the mass purging.

[Dimmauk]

Yeah, I heard that the RNC had requested the foreclosure records for areas that were Pro-Obama areas. Not to see who needed help, but to stop them from voting.