Sarah Palin, Republican Vice Presidential Candidate

[Tristam]

Technically yes, but I would hardly call turning off and losing the votes of possibly half of self-identified Republicans voters "turning out the base".

My original statement was this:

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Yup, Palin sure does energize the base, but what does that say about the base?
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Nowhere did I say she didn't energize the base, my problem is what this energy says about the base itself. Namely, they're willing to follow an unqualified candidate, probably only because they don't like Obama for whatever reason.

Are we all on the same page now?

[Remyo]

Explain all the veritably wealthy people jumping on the Obama bandwagon then... (see all, Warren Buffet)

their innermost craving is for a new life, or failing this, a chance to acquire new elements of pride, confidence, false sense of hope, a sense of purpose and worth by identifications with a cause. a movement offers them opportunities for both. if they join the movement as a full convert they are reborn to a new life in it's close knit collective body, or if attracted as sympathizers they find elements of pride, confidence and a purpose of identifying themselves with the efforts, achievements and prospects of the movement. there are also adventurers who join in the hope that the movement will give a spin of the wheel of fortune in their direction to give them more fame and power.

[Tristam]

I'm just curious how many of this forum's members will actually go out and vote.

The US has always had a pretty good record of eligible voter turnout relative to the rest of the world, this months Nat'l Geographic cited a figure of 89% of all registered voters in the US voted in 2004. Not sure what the number is on eligible voters, but the survey noted that past low numbers were based on calculations that took in the entire voting age population (including immigrants that for whatever reason cannot vote anyway).

[Remyo]

A skilled laborer making a comfortable living at $60,000 a yaer in a single household loses his job in an industrial accident and becomes handicapped. His savings run out, disability expires, and the only good paying job he's qualified to do he no longer can due to his injury. He gets a job at McDonalds working for just above minimum wage, which puts him over $19,350 a year, meaning he can't get government support. His neighbourhood becomes increasingly gentrified until personal property taxes are practically killing him, the medical bills from his injury are still piling up despite draining the savings he worked hard to keep over the years. He's forced to abandon his house when he can no longer pay for it and defaults on his mortage, leaving him in debt to banks and hospitals living on less than $21,000 a year.

This is a true story.

At what point in this did his personality or disposition factor in to him becoming poor?

failed to follow safety procedures or failed to make sure his coworkers followed them too.

[Alleya]

failed to follow safety procedures or failed to make sure his coworkers followed them too.

Wow you are fucking stupid.

[Deftscythe]

I'm just curious how many of this forum's members will actually go out and vote.

I'd have voted already if my state allowed it.

[Remyo]

Wow you are fucking stupid.

there are no accidents it's all the result of someone failing to follow procedures.


I'm sorry your dad couldn't read the safety signs.

[arus2001]

so we should cap everyone to 250k a year?

Not needing 250k a year is not the same as saying there should be some sort of salary cap.

Nah, I'm pleading for those with more money than they know what to do with to develop a shred of common sense and decency and help their fellow man. It doesn't need to be a blank check, but the desperate know what they need in their specific cases. Maybe it's schooling. Maybe it's medicine. Maybe it's just a job where you're actually treated as a human instead of an expendable commodity.

[Alleya]

there are no accidents it's all the result of someone failing to follow procedures.


I'm sorry your dad couldn't read the safety signs.

You heard it here first, everyone. Random chance to does not exist.

Also, it was just an acquaintance. My dad falls in the category of people who work hard for their money but don't see anything wrong with using what he doesn't need to help others.

[zoobernut]

there are no accidents it's all the result of someone failing to follow procedures.


I'm sorry your dad couldn't read the safety signs.

Yes because "High Strength" Metal on a volatile machine can never have tiny undetectable occlusions in it that slowly develop over time until there is a catastrophic failure of the machine which causes an accident that injures workers. We have never seen any industrial machines fail without any warning that was not caused by lack of maintenance but by a immeasurable flaw in the crystalline structure of the metal.

Since this scenario is completely impossible it must be someones fault, always.

[Day]

Stop fucking trolling Remy seriously, been doing this shit for 10+ pages now and it's getting old. You ignore most factual posts and post the most ignorant shit I've ever read. There is no way anyone can be that fucking stupid.

[0ni0n]

there are no accidents it's all the result of someone failing to follow procedures.


I'm sorry your dad couldn't read the safety signs.

Judging the lack of intelligence in your posts, you were an accident, as your mom will gladly attest.

[Remyo]

Yes because "High Strength" Metal on a volatile machine can never have tiny undetectable occlusions in it that slowly develop over time until there is a catastrophic failure of the machine which causes an accident that injures workers. We have never seen any industrial machines fail without any warning that was not caused by lack of maintenance but by a immeasurable flaw in the crystalline structure of the metal.

Since this scenario is completely impossible it must be someones fault, always.

any records of this?

[Dantrag]

there are no accidents it's all the result of someone failing to follow procedures.

and i assume you are still speaking about human beings right? accidents are a part of life you are speaking as if accidents are intentional, which is the exact opposite of the actual definition of the word. but hey, all poor people did it to themselves right? People all have the exact same chances in life right?

[Seraph]

there are no accidents it's all the result of someone failing to follow procedures.


I'm sorry your dad couldn't read the safety signs.

While I will say it is the exception, and not the rule, there are always cases where a person could be placed in a shitty situation in a way that was outside of their control. We call them victims. Your lack of empathy doesn't validate their fault.

Nice troll attempt though, back to your bridge~

[Remyo]

Stop fucking trolling Remy seriously, been doing this shit for 10+ pages now and it's getting old. You ignore most factual posts and post the most ignorant shit I've ever read. There is no way anyone can be that fucking stupid.

[Sythe]

I don't know why but it still surprises me when i run into people this ignorant> I should stop trying to build up my image of humanity because it never lasts for long

[Chicomagiko]

A skilled laborer making a comfortable living at $60,000 a yaer in a single household loses his job in an industrial accident and becomes handicapped. His savings run out, disability expires, and the only good paying job he's qualified to do he no longer can due to his injury. He gets a job at McDonalds working for just above minimum wage, which puts him over $19,350 a year, meaning he can't get government support. His neighbourhood becomes increasingly gentrified until personal property taxes are practically killing him, the medical bills from his injury are still piling up despite draining the savings he worked hard to keep over the years. He's forced to abandon his house when he can no longer pay for it and defaults on his mortage, leaving him in debt to banks and hospitals living on less than $21,000 a year.

This is a true story.

At what point in this did his personality or disposition factor in to him becoming poor?

Accident would imply negligence on the behalf of a party. Either the laborer's or the Company's. Which one is at fault determines the next course of action, if it was the employee's, then what you've said is the most likely outcome. If it was the Company's, then a lawsuit would have taken care of the man's welfare provided he could prove his case. Someone I know was the latter. He won his case and is now reasonably much better off than before.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

A skilled laborer making a comfortable living at $60,000 a yaer in a single household loses his job in an industrial accident and becomes handicapped. His savings run out, disability expires, and the only good paying job he's qualified to do he no longer can due to his injury. He gets a job at McDonalds working for just above minimum wage, which puts him over $19,350 a year, meaning he can't get government support. His neighbourhood becomes increasingly gentrified until personal property taxes are practically killing him, the medical bills from his injury are still piling up despite draining the savings he worked hard to keep over the years. He's forced to abandon his house when he can no longer pay for it and defaults on his mortage, leaving him in debt to banks and hospitals living on less than $21,000 a year.

This is a true story.

At what point in this did his personality or disposition factor in to him becoming poor?

He could have bought insurance against that type of accident. He could go back to school and get loans. My girlfriend had massive medical bills at one point and as long as she sent in more than 10$ she was fine. And if property taxes got him kicked out, sounds like a government problem. Judges now have the power to decide mortgage rates so he should renegotiate that when the bank comes after him.

Shit happens, and when it does, you're not entitled to the fruits of someone else's labor. Even in this fucked up economy, charitable giving rose 1% by Americans over the past year.

[Remyo]

People all have the exact same chances in life right?

if you believe the constitution then yes