Sarah Palin, Republican Vice Presidential Candidate

[Talint]

I love the attacks on community organizers in last nights RNC speakers.

Did anyone else perceive that as thinly veiled racism, or is that my white liberal guilt talking?

[Lampoon]

If you're white, you're hardly liberal these days.

[Sera]

Now she's playing the victim card, saying the media was mistreating her.

Honestly, all of republicans have been playing the media victim card.

So basically, she's doing what she slammed Hillary FOR "doing." Classy and not hypocritical at all. Awesome. QQ.

Also, someone run that Bridge to Nowhere by me again. I thought she asked for the money, and then opposed it, and then kept the money and used it locally anyway

you got it, then lied about it in speech form

She's not just a typical Republican LIAR, she's also a CONDESCENDING OIL-LOVING NANNY.

If I seriously wanted to be talked down to like this, I'd have gone back to kindergarten.

They wanted a christian mama, they got one.. problem is I think most people forgot what having one of those was like... and what turning 18 (finally) felt like.

to insinuate that he's using his daughter (or not using her, to be more precise) to play to racism just makes you a terrible person.

its not that we think HE is racist, its that we think he's pandering to his racist party mates by leaving his daughter out... and either way its wrong, isn't it? I'm not asking him to parade his family around like the circus Palin does, but to practically forget she exists because it looks better to his repub party mates? sad...

Also, does anyone get the feeling that he's "throwing the game"? I started to get this feeling but read an op-ed about it last night... I mean, his attitude, everything about him has changed, and as far as picking Palin being "mavericky" (fucking stop using that word god damn it arrrrgh) it hardly is, its exactly what the christian wackos wanted, so again, he's pandering and not being the rebel he's known for being... anyway the whole sold out theory comes to mind... but i cant help but wonder, a 72 year old man who's suddenly doing everything wrong and "being cynical"? Sounds like he's trying to lose.

And we're almost falling for it. Hence, HIM actually saying the "russia is next to alaska" deal. Its one thing for a bimbo wife to say it, thats funny. Its one thing for fox news to say it, thats sorta pathetic but still funny. But for the presidential nominee to say it? That's downright scary... it HAS to be on purpose.

[Elvis]

I said that a long time ago. It's to be expected. But reasonable people can recognize when a speech is well delivered, even if they disagree with 100% of it.

Sure. The delivery of the speech can be fantastic. Hitler was a very good speaker. So was Mussolini.

You can give a great speech about cow shit, but in the end it's about cow shit.

Maybe that's why these unreasonable people (as you imply) do not care to acknowledge whether any of the speeches were 'well' -delivered.

[Olo401]

Now that I've had a little time to reflect on this speech and calm down a bit..

Possibly the only parts of the entire speech where you could tell she either wrote it or was speaking extemporaneously was about her personal experiences in Alaska, and I thought those were the best parts because they were well-delivered and honest.

The rest of it sounded like it was written by a camapign stooge, and she did a really poor job delivering it. Even the digs at Obama sounded out of place because of her manner of speaking. Overall I thought I was listening to a cross between a candidate for student council and a nanny with a western Canadien accent.

[Elvis]

The race card? Really? This is the same logic behind people's purported disapproval of politicizing Bristol Palin's pregnancy.

People aren't concerned about Bristol or McCain's daughter. They are concerned about how Palin/McCain deal w/ them. How THEY react to them and how those people reflect on them.

Anyone who bashes Palin as being a bad parent for the pregnancy just doesn't get it. That's an easy thing to say; easy because it's a very superficial observation.

You focus on how she's a hypocrite. Not because she somehow wants the pregnancy but because she advocates an absolute policy that will affect people nationwide. It's not simply that she couldn't instill her own values onto her child but that she wanted to make those values "official" yet cant live up to them. This is about that emphasis: she's a politician AND a parent.

This is not analogous to a plain civilian mother whose daughter's been knocked up @17. No shit we wouldn't care about that.

And how many rallies has McCain's "other" daughter missed now? How many photo-ops? That's what people are pointing out. It's not alleging racism on his part per se. But it is suggesting he panders. Didn't he bash Falwell years ago and then show up to speak at his college? McCain flip-flops all the time. So I think bringing up his brown daughter (or lack thereof, lulz) is fine.

[Tyche]

its not that we think HE is racist, its that we think he's pandering to his racist party mates by leaving his daughter out... and either way its wrong, isn't it? I'm not asking him to parade his family around like the circus Palin does, but to practically forget she exists because it looks better to his repub party mates? sad...

You are beyond stupid now...

[Sera]

You are beyond stupid now...

oh really? then what do you call what he's doing? because it seems rather obvious to me...
its the same type of pandering he's done to the extremist christian right by choosing palin.
He's pandering to different (less popular) areas of the republican party, because republicans don't seem to inherently trust him. Seems logical to me.

[Tyche]

You obviously have no recollection of the 2000 election where is daughter was dragged through the mud and back. The Bush administration took her to task on lies. In October of last year, The New York Times reported that Bridget only learned of the unfortunate role she had played in the 2000 campaign after Googling her own name in 2006. She asked her father's advisers to assure her that this time around, the race would be cleaner. It has nothing to do with McCain, his advisors would like nothing better than to show he is a minority supporter, but his daughter doesn't want any part of another smear campaign, so she asked to stay out of it. I don't blame her.

[Day]

That was 8 years ago, I have a hard time remembering last week tbh

[Dantrag]

Probably wouldn't had your name/face/w/e else been dragged though a pile of shit for all the nation to see. That kind of thing sticks with you.

[Sera]

You obviously have no recollection of the 2000 election where is daughter was dragged through the mud and back. The Bush administration took her to task on lies. In October of last year, The New York Times reported that Bridget only learned of the unfortunate role she had played in the 2000 campaign after Googling her own name in 2006. She asked her father's advisers to assure her that this time around, the race would be cleaner. It has nothing to do with McCain, his advisors would like nothing better than to show he is a minority supporter, but his daughter doesn't want any part of another smear campaign, so she asked to stay out of it. I don't blame her.

So then why doesn't he reassure her and support her rather than leaving her out completely? Its not very fatherly behavior. Put yourself in his position. People say bad things about your daughter (its to be expected, she's brown -- which is a sad thing to have to say, that its to be expected-- but people ARE going to try to dig up dirt) but what is worse than a daughter who thinks she's a liability to you? How terrible! A good father, it would seem, would be the one to say, you know what? No. You're my daughter, and I love you, and those things aren't true, weren't true and would never BE true, and I want you by my side in this because I love you and care about you, you're not a liability to me and never will be. THAT is what a good father would do, because that's unconditional love. Of course she feels bad, she thinks she lost the campaign for her daddy, and what daughter would want to feel that way? But a good daddy would assure her that she wasn't a detriment to him, and he wasn't ashamed or her or scared of the world.

She's fucking 16 dude, of course she's insecure about what happened. But a good parent would reassure her and make sure she felt accepted, not hidden away "for her own good" and the good of the campaign.

[Dantrag]

So force the child to do what you want them to do? In something like that as a father i couldn't force a child into the spot light like that. For all intents and purpose I'd probably leave them out of it as much as possible. If SHE said she doesn't want to be on stage then that's her choice and let it be.

[Tyche]

As a father, I'd respect my daughter's decision. They've already disproved all the bullshit from the 2000 campaign. I think him pushing her to be in it would be pandering, as one of the biggest gripes of McCain camp has been his lack of pro-life legislation. He could use an adopted daughter to pull in pro-life voters by raising adoption awareness. You've went from Palin is a bad mother to McCain is a bad father with little justification. It should stop now.

[Sera]

I'm saying for being representatives of a party who touts family values and etc etc, they certainly don't do a very great job on selling me on theirs. Again, this is just personal opinion. I'm saying I myself am not impressed, and I can see why others would be less than thrilled as well.

Edit: this theory is what i'm really interested in though, anyone think its possible?
http://oopsmybad.wordpress.com/2008/...n-mccain-hero/
obviously meant to be a joke btw, but i wonder if he really could be throwing the game so to speak

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_10375977
Found this also, harsh

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

So apparently her teleprompter broke last night during the speech. At least we didn't here uhhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh like when Obama's teleprompter broke.

[Rhinox]

mostly because his speech consisted more then a compilation of one-liners. Was seriously listening for the drum kit after every line.

[Tyche]

Again, I didn't see the speech, and since I didn't get much in the means of bias opinions here, I went to some educated liberals for info. Seems the overwhelming majority think that the speech, content wise, left quite a bit to be desired. I don't know if I've yet to see someone criticize the way she gave the speech and the overall atmosphere. She's never been in front of a national stage with millions watching. I would have expected the speech to be outstanding and for her to choke in the spotlight. It seems the opposite was true. When I get home, maybe I'll look through my history where one Obama supporter said the speech itself was terrible, but the presentation of the speech was one of the best since Reagan.

[Xno Kappa]

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."......."Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

Is this type of shit that scares me the most.

[Rhinox]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the...l?hpid=artslot