Sarah Palin, Republican Vice Presidential Candidate

[Beckwin]

...My post wasn't about McCain at all. It was all Obama.

She is afraid of positions that Obama doesn't have.

I'm guessing you are too.

Maxx, this is possibly the toughest hurdle to get over, but let's put it this way. I don't try to force anyone anymore. If they want to know the facts, they will look it up for themselves at objective sources instead of getting it from a talking head on the fucking television or radio. And yes that includes Olbermann.

"If you have no platform to run on, you paint the other guy as someone to run from."

Obama is a wise motherfucker.

[Deejay]

how do you get rid of the enormous wait times for operations that tend to come with socialized health care like Canada or UK? or is that just a necessary consequence?

are you trying to suggest that we shouldn't have universal health care due to the waiting times?

[Zosi]

how do you get rid of the enormous wait times for operations that tend to come with socialized health care like Canada or UK? or is that just a necessary consequence?

If we were talking about full mandatory socialized health care like Canada or the UK, that *might* be a valid concern. Health insurance reform is very different. Try actually reading up on the proposals you attempt to criticize, rather than just going "ZOMG ITS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, MUST HAVE WAITING LINES AND SUCK BAD".

Edit: If you think the waiting lines are really as bad as your anti-universal-health-care buddies tell you, try asking some actual Canadians or Brits. They'll tell you that in the vast, vast, vast majority of cases, the wait for non-critical stuff is an annoyance at worst, and if you actually need critical care, you get it done NOW. There's a reason that their systems result in healthier citizens overall, it's called proper priorities.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

I dunno by the end of this decade 200k Britain's a year expected to be going outside the country for medical operations. That seems like a high number if socialized medicine isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

[Demetrius*]

I would flip out if my daughter or son got put on some of those waiting lists. For people who can afford health care its nothing but an increased hindrance. I'm sure you can find some middle ground between the two instead of leaping into something else that's obviously flawed.

[Beckwin]

I would flip out if my daughter or son got put on some of those waiting lists. For people who can afford health care its nothing but an increased hindrance. I'm sure you can find some middle ground between the two instead of leaping into something else that obviously flawed.

oh you mean like the middle ground Obama is proposing?

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

So the 40 million Americans that aren't covered now are suddenly going to be covered? Are we going to have enough new doctors to take care of all these new patients? Massachusetts couldn't handle 600k new patients.

[Demetrius*]

I haven't the slightest idea about the specifics hes proposing nor McCain. If he or either of them can work something out without screwing over the people already covered then hey that's fantastic. I was responding to the notion that we should merely adopt another countries universal health care system.

[Beckwin]

So the 40 million Americans that aren't covered now are suddenly going to be covered? Are we going to have enough new doctors to take care of all these new patients? Massachusetts couldn't handle 600k new patients.

shouldn't the free market meet the demand?

[Olo401]

are you trying to suggest that we shouldn't have universal health care due to the waiting times?

I wonder if Swampy has ever been to an emergency room in the US before.. Last time I was there with my friend (her dog bit me on my face.. LONG fuckin' story) it took 6 damn hours before we even got called to see a doctor. And that's with basic medical insurance. Wait times my ass - it's a fucking red herring issue.

Edit: Mind you this was at Yale-New Haven Hospital, one of the top medical teaching facilities in the country.

[Churchill]

The United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not provide universal health care. Current estimates put U.S. health care spending at approximately 15% of GDP, the highest in the world yet we have millions going without it. Do conservatives not find anything wrong with this?. It so ass-backwards its ridiculous, our current system simply doesn't work.

Sounds like someone is mismanaging a business to me, and I'm pretty sure it crosses party lines. I guess that's what happens when you let someone take control of something that has nothing at stake.

[Maxxthepenguin]

My favorite was when somebody in some speech @ the RNC said "You don't want a BUREAUCRAT deciding on issues with your doctor, do you?" and I was like "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW?"

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

shouldn't the free market meet the demand?

If there was a free-market, yes. But it's not a free-market if the government suddenly increases supply, nor is it a free-market now.

And I've been to an emergency room twice for myself, and once for someone else.

[Churchill]

shouldn't the free market meet the demand?

That's a dickhead argument to propose since more doctors isn't an instantaneous thing, and they've been recruited medical personnel from my generation since I was 7.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Sounds like someone is mismanaging a business to me, and I'm pretty sure it crosses party lines. I guess that's what happens when you let someone take control of something that has nothing at stake.

Actually, the businesses are managed very well.

[Churchill]

My favorite was when somebody in some speech @ the RNC said "You don't want a BUREAUCRAT deciding on issues with your doctor, do you?" and I was like "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW?"

yeah it's terrible right now, thats why costs are so bad for medical and pharmaceutical care

[Churchill]

Also Obama is going to kill you niggers on all the extraneous taxes so have fun

[Churchill]

Actually, the businesses are managed very well.

not exactly my friend.

[Beckwin]

That's a dickhead argument to propose since more doctors isn't an instantaneous thing, and they've been recruited medical personnel from my generation since I was 7.

we could lift the embargo on Cuba and hire their excess doctors.

[Churchill]

not something I'd be against, but they'd have to be made citizens and do some undergrad time here or evaluation etc. Speaking english would be good.