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    Quote Originally Posted by senoska View Post
    If you support current day "republican values" you're a terrible immoral person that has no right in government of any kind.
    I honestly have no idea if you're trying to be sarcastic or not, but honestly my view on this election is we're fucked either way (which really is true of every presidential election), but I find Mccain to be the slightly lesser of 2 evils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senoska View Post
    If your house catches on fire or if someone breaks into your home I hope to god you don't reach for a phone to call for some GOVERNMENT HELP. That might mean that you're too dependent.

    There is no reason why you shouldn't be offered healthcare from your government. Its not like saying "YOU MUST USE US AND ONLY US" its saying you can use them. You seem to have an unreasonable fear of the government, but that's no reason that people should die because they can't afford the healthcare they deserve.
    I wouldn't ask for government help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampdonkeyPLD View Post
    The government did such a good job with Walter Reed, taking care of 360 million more Americans shouldn't be a problem at all.
    Do you even know wtf your talking about? Are you in the military? Nonono scratch that, have you ever even been to Walter Reed? It's stupid shit like this that people have no idea wtf their talking about that's picking our president.

    This is by far the most fucking retarded statement in this thread, a fucking civilian that has no idea how military health care works and wants to use it as a political argument. It's almost as fucking retarded as saying Palin has command military experience because of the Alaskan National Guard which she has NO FUCKING CONTROL OVER other then state emergencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krandor View Post
    I honestly have no idea if you're trying to be sarcastic or not, but honestly my view on this election is we're fucked either way (which really is true of every presidential election), but I find Mccain to be the slightly lesser of 2 evils.
    A vote for the lesser of two-evils is the same thing as voting for evil. Why vote for someone you don't support? That doesn't make any logical sense.

    You're saying, "I pledge my trust and faith in you to run this country, but I think you are evil."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krandor View Post
    I honestly have no idea if you're trying to be sarcastic or not, but honestly my view on this election is we're fucked either way (which really is true of every presidential election), but I find Mccain to be the slightly lesser of 2 evils.
    I'm not being sarcastic at all. I honestly think Republicans are immoral asshats. Anyone who will willingly deny another person their rights, killing thousands (If not hundreds of thousands) of people and wanting to continue a (VASTLY) unpopular war to forward their own motive, to deny healthcare to thousands of children and people who do not make enough to pay for healthcare, etc. The list goes on. Its horrible and disgusting and honestly no reason for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza View Post
    Do you even know wtf your talking about? Are you in the military? Nonono scratch that, have you ever even been to Walter Reed? It's stupid shit like this that people have no idea wtf their talking about that's picking our president.

    This is by far the most fucking retarded statement in this thread, a fucking civilian that has no idea how military health care works and wants to use it as a political argument.
    Please don't argue military health care is good, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senoska View Post
    I'm not being sarcastic at all. I honestly think Republicans are immoral asshats. Anyone who will willingly deny another person their rights, killing thousands (If not hundreds of thousands) of people and wanting to continue a (VASTLY) unpopular war to forward their own motive, to deny healthcare to thousands of children and people who do not make enough to pay for healthcare, etc. The list goes on. Its horrible and disgusting and honestly no reason for it.
    What about Darfur? Obama wants to send troops there. What about Iran? Pretty good chance he'll suck us into that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krandor View Post
    I honestly have no idea if you're trying to be sarcastic or not, but honestly my view on this election is we're fucked either way (which really is true of every presidential election), but I find Mccain to be the slightly lesser of 2 evils.
    To be honest, I thought McCain was the lesser evil as well until he made it obvious he didn't even have enough control to pick his own VP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    What about Darfur? Obama wants to send troops there. What about Iran? Pretty good chance he'll suck us into that.
    Obama will not go to war with Iran, assuming they dont have every intention of nuking us, it won't happen. Even there was a slight 10% chance that obama would attack Iran, thats alot better than mccain basically saying he will attack, reguardless of the circumstances. The republicans learned NO LESSON from Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senoska View Post
    Obama will not go to war with Iran, assuming they dont have every intention of nuking us, it won't happen. Even there was a slight 10% chance that obama would attack Iran, thats alot better than mccain basically saying he will attack, reguardless of the circumstances. The republicans learned NO LESSON from Iraq.
    You're wrong, lol. There's a very good chance Obama attacks Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    You're wrong, lol. There's a very good chance Obama attacks Iran.
    What ever lets you sleep at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    Please don't argue military health care is good, thanks.
    What the fuck do you know? I recently broke my arm and had the thing in a cast asap. They kept up on me on when I had to do what with what surgeries and gave me all the medications I needed. Not costing me a fucking penny because I already pay the shit through taxes. OMG I pay 12 dollars in military health care taxes each payday, dis iz outrag3ous!!!!!

    Seriously people, if you have no idea wtf your talking about just stfu.

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    One thing that I've been thinking about too, is that what if McCain was just full of shit? What if all his talk for this election was a lie? I mean, prior to 2001, the man was an overall decent Senator, extremely loved by the people of Arizona. He didn't put up with Washington's bullshit, didn't go for lobbyists, didn't support these types of wars.

    What if it's all just a grasp for the republican base that shunned him in 2000 with the Bush smear campaign?

    I doubt it, but it would be funny were he to win and basically say "Fuck you" to everyone who thought he was going to be Bushv.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza View Post
    What the fuck do you know? I recently broke my arm and had the thing in a cast asap. They kept up on me on when I had to do what with what surgeries and gave me all the medications I needed. Not costing me a fucking penny because I already pay the shit through taxes.

    Seriously people, if you have no idea wtf your talking about just stfu.
    Yeah what do I know.

    What ever lets you sleep at night.
    Again, yeah what do I know.

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    Currently the U.S. gov and its private medical industry spends an overwhelming amount of money on biomedical research, much more so than any other country. Would you be ok with cutting development for new medicine & drugs to cover the cost of increased health care coverage? Do you believe its necessary?

    12 of the top 20 pharmaceutical companies in the world are based in America. If the government ends up regulating the price of drugs to cover the cost of increased health coverage(like Canada and the UK have done), wouldn't our R&D take a huge hit? Or would the government cover the cost with a tax hike?
    i'm genuinely curious how it'd work. http://smilies.vidahost.com/ups/smarty/smile.gif

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza View Post
    Do you even know wtf your talking about? Are you in the military? Nonono scratch that, have you ever even been to Walter Reed? It's stupid shit like this that people have no idea wtf their talking about that's picking our president.

    This is by far the most fucking retarded statement in this thread, a fucking civilian that has no idea how military health care works and wants to use it as a political argument. It's almost as fucking retarded as saying Palin has command military experience because of the Alaskan National Guard which she has NO FUCKING CONTROL OVER other then state emergencies.
    It's run by the government is the point, which who would run universal health care. And the commander of the Alaskan national guard said that she commanded the Alaskan national guard lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampdonkeyPLD View Post
    It's run by the government is the point, which who would run universal health care. And the commander of the Alaskan national guard said that she commanded the Alaskan national guard lol.
    Are you just being retarded on purpose? The NG of ANY state is equipped, deployed, and determined what mission they do through the PENTAGON.

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    You know how people are saying that McCain's reaching far-right with Falwell and shit is just a political gesture and it's a load of crap and if he wins then the real, more moderate, less crazy McCain will come out?

    I feel that Iran is Obama's Falwell. Coming out as "soft on terrer" is something that Obama can't politically afford to do, but I think he understands that war with Iran is an absolute last resort that he will do everything he can to avoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    One thing that I've been thinking about too, is that what if McCain was just full of shit? What if all his talk for this election was a lie? I mean, prior to 2001, the man was an overall decent Senator, extremely loved by the people of Arizona. He didn't put up with Washington's bullshit, didn't go for lobbyists, didn't support these types of wars.

    What if it's all just a grasp for the republican base that shunned him in 2000 with the Bush smear campaign?

    I doubt it, but it would be funny were he to win and basically say "Fuck you" to everyone who thought he was going to be Bushv.2
    Not worth taking the chance. McCain is certinly not someone we can afford the be in the white house. He can be a fine senator, but that's it. McCain is way to old, his health is a major problem, and his VP is bat shit crazy with absolutely ZERO political experience. Obama/Biden is my dream ticket, I was voting for Biden but obviously he dropped out. Biden doesn't put up with your shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza View Post
    Are you just being retarded on purpose? The NG of ANY state is equipped, deployed, and determined what mission they do through the PENTAGON.
    That's not what the commander of the Alaskan national guard said. Sorry, but I'll go with him not you.

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