Answers from JP Players

[Aurara]

that was prety cool, i can understand why they say jp only now and how they feel when we say "w" ._.

[Dragir]

"When asking someone for something". How selfish Japanese are or aren't in general is irrelevant to his statement. It's a bad generalization, but what he's saying is that NA don't take as much responsibility for their requests, and that's pretty true.

"Japanese try to consider the other person’s situation" is the phrase I focus on here, because in taking responsibility for our requests, our "situation" is not the same as those in Japan. It is not considered impolite to speak outside the boundaries of "proper manners" anywhere in the U.S. anymore, and the Japanese fail to "consider" this when calling us rude. It's a two-way street, is what I'm getting at.

[Bwelch]

This is my opinion on <[ NAHNMLS ]>: First, many <[ NA ]> players are foul-mouthed and often selfish and sarcastic (<[ so mean ]>). However, there are good people that don’t bully others. After <[ NA ]> players joined the game, <[ RMT ]> activity really took off, I think. Things like using other people’s accounts, having <[ windower ]> and <[ DualBox ]>ing are basically a given, and I think it shows a lack of morals. As for <[ BG ]> as a <[ forum ]>, I think they are too concerned with having their character names in their <[ post ]>, whereas will always post <[ /anon or no name ]>. If you display names, it just degenerates into personal attacks.

I really lol'd at this responce.

Thanks Elmer.

[Gwynplaine]

This is just my opinion…
Most of Japanese adapt themselves to mass, even if they are not happy to do so,
and consider it as a virtue.
It is really important for them not to make somebody unpleasant.
So… Japanese are easy to miss to make themselves happy.
They have very poor means for self-assertiveness.
And, they hate who doesn’t adopt oneself to mass.
Japanese loves “One for all” but hates “All for one(me)”

That's pretty clever, minor grammar aside.

[Katalyn]

Very informative, thank you Elmer.

[Rammses]

"Japanese try to consider the other person’s situation" is the phrase I focus on here, because in taking responsibility for our requests, our "situation" is not the same as those in Japan. It is not considered impolite to speak outside the boundaries of "proper manners" anywhere in the U.S. anymore, and the Japanese fail to "consider" this when calling us rude. It's a two-way street, is what I'm getting at.

Except you took that phrase out of a very clear context. He didn't state that Japanese are considerate when being on the receiving end of a request.

Sure, you can find some implications by reading between the line, but that can hardly be seen as proof of misguidance.

[Sindalf]

Thank you Elmer

About the last post. I have never had a JP tell me No

[Grieverao]

The day service began for foreigners, Sarutabaruta was just littered with corpses. I would throw a Cure and say something nice, like, “You can do it!” and they would respond with foul language like <[ "You JAP?!" ]> or <[ fuck ]> or <[ monkey ]> and such. After that, I just stopped giving out Cures and sort of avoided foreigners. I always wanted to know why North American players would act it such a way. Honestly, people who study a little Japanese to speak with us are the most popular.

Did I miss something? Hate to sound rude or ignorant but I've never seen anyone call someone offesnively a monkey XD

Are we saying something that means a totally different topic to what we think it does?

Overall Elmer very very good read. Nice to see the replies positive and negative. This may possibly change a few of the things I personally do in game regarding Japanese players.

Quite upset how they would prefer a JP-only Server, I like the multi-cultural differences each server has.

[Kirbyprime]

This is Ultramarine, Looks nothing like an adaberk. One person only got it right it OBVIOUSLY has to be grey.

An excellent post Elmer.

Only have a few remarks, Do the japanese really understand joke questions?, i have a feeling that maybe one or two of those reply's were a bit frowny at having fun about a computer game, and those same people seem to be the Xenophobic "lets just stay on our island and shun the outsiders" type of people who might look disgustedly at you if you walked past them in the street.

Adaberk will now and forever be that Purple-Blue-Gray colour.

Well, I lol'ed =D

[Isiolia]

I really lol'd at this responce.

Thanks Elmer.

What I found odd with that quote is that it could be taken to say that, were it not for anon posting, that JP boards would be the same way. Or at least, that the people posting on them would not be as polite as some might lead on. To an extent, the opposite is true...if people know who you are, even to an extent, it encourages a measure of civility to avoid dealing with repercussions in-game.

Some of the other comments, like the anti-NA sentiment, almost seem like a throwback to a few years ago. I mean, I think most of us have certain things we have reservations about, especially with pickup type groups. A bad experience or three, and the general attitude of "screw pickup merit parties" or something will come up.
Maybe also has to do with time zone? Many of the more mature players on the NA side are also at least semi responsible adults that tend to need to sleep or go to work. So the JP might see a larger percentage of kids on vacations or something, which can tend to be a bad representation of our playerbase as a whole.

I read it is simply because Caucasian features are more distinctive. Even to Japanese people Caucasians are more easily identifiable.

I think it's in general to make characters more distinctive. Things like hair color are far less subtle, especially when going back to the root of anime with manga, on cheap newsprint. Large eyes are easier to make expressive. If you consider the influences, the style for Astro Boy and the like was derived some from Betty Boop and such too. At that point, you're looking at "cartoon character" moreso than making it look like a particular race.
There are plenty of anime and manga where the characters are Asian looking when the character is meant to be Asian and so on. Also plenty where the story isn't actually set in Japan.

I think it's a valid point, but at the same time comics and cartoons aren't exactly known for their accurate portrayal of human anatomy to begin with.

Did I miss something? Hate to sound rude or ignorant but I've never seen anyone call someone offesnively a monkey XD

I recall it was something Japanese called Americans moreso than something we called them. However, it's been a while since I lived in Japan.

[Tsuki]

Let them ask us questions, and also let them see our responses to their questions. the main thing that popped out to me is that there was quite a bit of hypocritical responses, just off the top of my head some of the main ones that jumped out at me were about when they were saying things like "NA shouldnt sub war in meripo" and other things of that nature that NA shouldnt do. I find it highly arrogant of them to assume that their way is the only way to do things. Now while i fully agree that in most cases, having your melees sub ninja is a good thing, I do think that they place far too much value on ones mp pool. personally, i think you should be able to give your healer a good workout. that doesnt mean they should have to be taking a knee every two seconds, but with a balanced setup it really shouldn't be an issue... it makes one wonder if they're trying to breed lazy mages, incompetant mages, or just that they have no real faith in the healing capabilities of whm; etc...

I guess i'm just tired of showing up to merit parties where the healer stays at over 1k mp all the time because they simply can't use enough of it before it regens back, and then complain if someone doesnt sub ninja and they have to use a little of it...

[Deftscythe]

Did I miss something? Hate to sound rude or ignorant but I've never seen anyone call someone offesnively a monkey XD

Are we saying something that means a totally different topic to what we think it does?

Overall Elmer very very good read. Nice to see the replies positive and negative. This may possibly change a few of the things I personally do in game regarding Japanese players.

Quite upset how they would prefer a JP-only Server, I like the multi-cultural differences each server has.

Well, monkey is sometimes a slur for black people, but I don't see how that would be relevant in the context of Americans speaking to JPs.

[LD]

What I found odd with that quote is that it could be taken to say that, were it not for anon posting, that JP boards would be the same way. Or at least, that the people posting on them would not be as polite as some might lead on. To an extent, the opposite is true...if people know who you are, even to an extent, it encourages a measure of civility to avoid dealing with repercussions in-game.

I think the various #chans are enough to prove this right. If you really think about it, even on sites with frequent drama bombs, like this one, the people know when to pull that shit in and focus, if only occasionally. The small amount of identity we create gives us an equal sense of responsibility. Take a look at an anon conversaton and things degrade to their lowest point, no exceptions.


Oh, about the monkey thing, didn't he mention it being in sarutabaruta?...
Pretty sure Saru is a word for monkey, could have just been a misunderstanding.

[Deftscythe]

I think the various #chans are enough to prove this right. If you really think about it, even on sites with frequent drama bombs, like this one, the people know when to pull that shit in and focus, if only occasionally. The small amount of identity we create gives us an equal sense of responsibility. Take a look at an anon conversaton and things degrade to their lowest point, no exceptions.

Yeah, in my eye insisting on anonymity is just proof you don't have the courage to stand by what you say.

[Greenjade]

As for the separate servers, I have a feeling that the NA side, while having a lot of players, wouldn't fair as well as the JP side. Just take a look at PSU. With their separated servers its dying.

[Guppy]

Japanese loves “One for all” but hates “All for one(me)”

Oh man, they must have had a spazz over campaign, it's full of selfish (and frequently short-sighted) play-styles.

[Septimus]

Pretty awesome Elmer.

Sadly, it just shows that I am correct to never party with JPs ever. But then again, I don't want to party with 90% of NAs either.

[ronin sparthos]

Oh man, they must have had a spazz over campaign, it's full of selfish (and frequently short-sighted) play-styles.

Wish they could have explained why the JP on my server have failed to take back any of Bastoks zones if they are so pro "one for all"

[Zarath]

Very interesting, as per usual, thanks Elmer for all your hard work. As usual you deserve an interwebs or two. Never realized they appreciated the broken JP (I might have to start using it a little more when I invite a JP player whenever I get back into the game <<).

The thing that was very interesting, at least to me, is how much they envision us NAs as being extremely selfish, which kind of makes me wonder what do they really mean by that.

Being brought in a more traditional Chinese way I somewhat understand where they're coming from but at the same time not exactly sure what they would consider selfish, cause due to the responses we have similar views on things but have different cultural differences (which is more than understandable). I do feel that NAs are more rude (what I mean is NAs tend to be more to the point than being polite, but that can't be help as both races have those cultural differences.) but selfish, I'm quite unsure.

IMO the betterment of the group overall matters more than how we get there so I don't exactly get how NAs come off as selfish is kind of beyond me.

And yes NAs tend to be more crazy :D which I love way more about NAs than JP players. I find JP players tend to be more conservative than outgoing, which I think is due to the conformity thing.

[Gere]

I think it's in general to make characters more distinctive. Things like hair color are far less subtle, especially when going back to the root of anime with manga, on cheap newsprint. Large eyes are easier to make expressive. If you consider the influences, the style for Astro Boy and the like was derived some from Betty Boop and such too. At that point, you're looking at "cartoon character" moreso than making it look like a particular race.
There are plenty of anime and manga where the characters are Asian looking when the character is meant to be Asian and so on. Also plenty where the story isn't actually set in Japan.

I thought the standard Anime character was supposed to look asian to them and that Americans are drawn like this: