10 Questions from JP Players

[Eldelphia]

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Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?

I'm an EU player from the UK and they're rarer to find but if we take the example of English speaking player, yes it happens. No, I don't generally hold a grudge about it unless they're stupid about it. Usually the leader will apologise and I forget about it. It annoys me when people don't speak up and say they want to leave when someone else is ready to go, that's what finishes parties.

I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?

I've never seen one.

I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

I don't care which country you are from as long as you are able to do your job well. I often xp when there are a lot of Japanese players still online and so I form mixed parties a lot. Communication can be an issue, but I try and let all members of the party know what's happening in auto translated chat. The time difference is an issue sometimes but I have that as a UK player with both NA and Japanese players anyway.

Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.

It annoys me that some japanese players assume I'm american, I'm English!
I find often that japanese players feel uncomfortable using auto translate and are a bit shy. Usually parties start very quiet with no talking, often by the end everyone has relaxed and is enjoying things more. Then I find that japanese players tend to relax and speak a little english.

I find Japanese players don't give much notice when they want to leave a party which can sometimes be a problem, but it's not a big deal. I would rather they just tell me at the start they have 2 hours or whatever.

5
Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.

I'm from the UK and I have played with people from all over the world. So I don't assume the people reading the shouts are English speaking. From my point of view, I am shouting for anyone who would like to do these things and is willing to make some effort to communicate to others, even if they have to use autotranslate. Sometimes language is a barrier, especially for Salvage but for some things knowing what to do is enough. Usually we can manage as a group. I would be happy to have a japanese player along, unfortunately I don't speak any japanese. A lot of Japanese players understand some English even if they can't speak it very well and others occasionally will translate more complicated things to the other Japanese players, so I am willing to give most groups a try.

I think Salvage is probably one shout I wouldn't expect a non english speaker to respond to.

6
I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?

I don't hate Japanese players. I like the fact that I can play with people all over the world. I've met French, German, Scandinavian, Chinese, UAE players as well as NA and Japanese players. I love the Final Fantasy series and that's why I play.


7

A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?

Recently I've seen quite a few new EU and NA players but it has slowed a lot. I've been surprised how many people are still quite new.

8
In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?

We certainly have players we think about in the same way. The term Elitists gets used a lot for this but I don't think it covers everything. I like that term lol.

9

Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?

Yes there is opposition to RMT. Personally I can't stand it. I think it's accepted that in some HNMLS bots are used to claim Kings but I don't get involved in those shells. You can never be sure what your own shell members are doing but we're a smaller endgame shell and it hasn't been an issue for us because we stay away from Ground.

I can't stand gilfarmers. We see a lot of fish bots etc, and it's easy to tell when some new group is levelling.

10
In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?

LOL I wondered about this because I've seen a lot of japanese players dressed up in crazy armour wearing subligar. The subligar is seen as a humourous piece to many players here. Elvaan guys in subligar are horrendous! The worst are the subligar for the Brygid quest... Many guys here think they make them look gay.

[Sutien]

1
People disband, log off or "dc" without notice from parties all the time, it's just expected now. When people announce they're leaving and give about 10-15 minutes to get a replacement there's no problem at all.


2
Not that I know of, but it's quite possible that there used to be a list when the game was first released in NA.

3
The benefits? One more spot filled. The drawbacks? The auto-translate function needs more work.

4
In the end-game area, my linkshell is mixed languages. Something I don't understand is the Japanese policy to not leave xp parties when an HNM pops. This has caused some trouble for us when not many players are online.

5
I use the auto-translate function for shouts in part because I'm lazy, but also to recruit anyone that needs whatever I'm shouting for. So yes, I am targeting Japanese players as well. Most older players will work with people that don't understand much English.


6
Some people are bitter, it could also be from bad experiences in this game.


7
Hardly any new players are joining anymore.


8
There are a few names. You'll hear loser, geek, nerd, etc. They're also assumed to live in their parent's basement or just in general have no lives. Or, if I misunderstood the question, people that treat people poorly based on gear and skill are called elitists.


9
No one likes people that RMT. Third party tools such as Windower are common and are accepted by a large percent of the player base.


10
There are a few people I know that sport the subligar 24/7. Others prefer crafting gear or sunglasses.

Bonus: The banana is a part of the meal.

[ozulus]

1st of all, sorry I don't have that many posts before. I visit often, but I don't post much, at least on community forums. On LS forums it's the oposite

1
Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?

No, I only know 2 other ppl from my country on my server, they are both good ppl. If that would happen to me, i'll prolly be a little angry at start, but after a few seconds it would become "Oh well" and would just move on. My blacklist is empty still because of that.

2
I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?

There is? I didn't know that.

3
I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

Well I'm not a NA player. I'm a EU player and we usually are stuck in the middle of the time zones and we have to coexist with both NA and JP players. A lot of times it's really hard for us to make a party with just english/french/german speaking players during our normal play time so we try to invite who we can. We try to use auto-translator the best we can to communicate, I even learnt a few japanse phrases to help out, but most of the time they it's unsuccessful.

4
Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.

I was never insulted by a Japanse player as far as I can remember.

5
Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.

I'm trying to reach everyone. I just want to do the mission/quest/assault, I'm looking for someone that needs the same/wants to help.

6
I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?

Please ignore them. I chose to play this game, because I always loved final fantasy games and I like japanse culture.

7
A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?

I still see some new people.

8
In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?

I call them no-life.

9
Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?

I hate RMT, as far as I know our LS doesn't use 3rd party tools aside from windower and some plugins like recast/tp/distance, or else we would claim more.

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In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?

Glasses.

Bonus: The banana is part of the meal, it's the desert.

[Septimus]

1- Of course, haven't you? I sometimes try to hold a grudge, but most of the times I just forget after a few hours. (Unless the person immediately goes on my /blacklist, but then again, I normally forget after a few hours anyway.

2- I have played since NA PC release and have never seen such a list. And more since there are so many level 75 characters from all nations, it seems like a moot point.

3- Sadly, I do not invite Japanese Players anymore. In a good party, there is pretty much no need beyond basic communication that can be done with autotranslate, but I have seen too many "JP only" comments that I just won't ask.

4- Beyond the "JP only" comments (this is a sore spot, especially with NAs who have played since the launch here and have killed pretty much everything in the game except for Absolute Virtue and Pandemonium Warden), nothing really comes to mind. But I try not to dwell.

5- Don't forget, French and German people play the game as well!

6- This is a very complicated issue. As near as I can tell there are three general categories of people who would say this. The first type are people who say that as "revenge" for "JP only" comments and attitude.

The second type are teenagers who get to say things that their parents would smack them for saying in front of them. They would never say it to someone in person. (Because that person might smack them.) But thanks to the anonymity of the internet, they get to act like jerks with no repercussions.

Sadly, there is a third type of person, the kind that do hate people who are not like them. My brothers are like this, they are very prejudiced against anyone who is not white and Christian. It makes me very upset because not even 100 years ago far too many people would have discriminated against my family for having Italian blood. It is a sad fact that racism is still alive today in America, and a lot of people want to ignore it- but it cannot be ignored away. Fortunately the people who are truly racist are not as common, but there are a lot of people who don't think about other cultures or people who aren't like them. That type of person are generally reasonable, and will become much friendlier if they meet people from other races/religions/etc.

Sorry that this was a long one, but like I said, it is very complicated and I wanted to be as honest as possible.

7- There are actually more new people than I thought joining the game. Not too long ago I was leveling Paladin and was invited to an XP party in the Dunes, I took a chance and joined the party. The party was not that great, but two of the people were completely new to the game on their first job, one didn't even have a support job yet. Two more of them were leveling their first support jobs. After the party was over, I helped one get a Magicked Skull, and I escorted another for his first trip to Jeuno. I wanted to ask "why did you join this game, it's so old", but I didn't want to scare them away.

8- Some people like to use "Haijin", I generally like the term "loser". Some people like the term "Elitist", but that isn't nescisarrily a bad term. (An Elitist can be seen as someone trying to do his/her best to be good at the game, not just someone who has no life and looks down on others.) What is funny is that there has long been a trend of anti-elitism, people who pretend that they are better than people who have good gear because they don't have good gear. They can often times be seen arguing on internet forums about how they are better than everyone else since they have real lives (although they have to come to internet forms to tell people this) and that they have lots of sex with lots of beautiful women. We call this the "AFK banging hot chicks" argument.

9- Most NAs find RMT detestable. Known gil buyers are shunned and made fun of on our message boards. Sadly, people who use claim and movement tools are hated, but the useage is so wide-spread. Square needs to do more to put a stop to that, as well as make more systems like Einherjar and ZNMs that don't rely on claiming to get good items. And I think that the vast majoirty of NAs wish that we could MPK the gil farmers easily and without being banned.

10- I love subligaria! Especially Galkas in subligaria! Subligaria has become so popular in America that they made a movie about a bunch of guys running around in subligaria called "300".

Was 300 even released in Japan for people to get that joke?


Anyway, thanks Elmer for doing this. As always, you rock.

[Veli]

Why are people gonna answer with lies? 95% of end game linkshells support RMT.. If you have people that bought characters, bought gil, etc...You support RMT. I mean everyone says they don't buy gil but who the hell was IGE selling it to? Tell the truth about third party tools also. Damn near everyone in the US uses some type of third party tools. I wonder if they play with the same plug ins we do.

[Zeb]

Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?

For being a replacement in a pickup party, I would't normally hold a grudge from anyone unless the communication is bad between whoever invited me and myself. It's true a lot of NA people are shortsighted when they are XPing and won't ask the group before hand what they would prefer if they have to leave a party early and instead just seek a replacement quietly then spring it on the rest of the group when that person arrives. Which does sometimes cause problems when multiple people want to stop xping at around the same time but never informed anyone else. I won't be a replacement player without having the person ask his party if they are going to xp for a set period of time after I join.

I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?

We have many lists on several boards of a lot of people who we think are good players, or nice people and lists of players who are bad players and other lists of rude people. Mosts lists turn into shout-outs for friends or flame wars for enemies. I don't see too many Japanese players among the bad players but there are some.

I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

I'm always happy to find a good player I've never played with before, I would party with someone from Mars if they were a good player. Drawbacks are the same for anyone from anywhere. I don't see the language barrier as something that can't be crossed. Most people can understand enough to work together to have a good party if they are willing to try. Unfortunately there are a lot of stubborn or lazy people from everywhere.

Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.

I was once in a party where we went to a location to XP and there was a party of Japanese players already there. One of them was rude and insulting to us in /say telling us to leave and calling us names while we were determining where else we could camp.

Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.

I wouldn't mind if a Japanese player asking if they responded.

I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?

I don't think the creators of Final Fantasy intended it to be just for Japanese people. I think they are happy having its story enjoyed by people from all over the world.

A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?

There are some, not a lot. There are quite a few people who quit and return after long departures though.

In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?

If I have respect for them I would call them a hardcore player. If I didn't have respect I would say they have no life and need to move out of their mom's basement.

Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?

No one likes gil farmers. I think people are stupid to spend real money on fake money, but it's that person's choice to if they want to. I don't hate them for it. It does diminish their accomplishments in the game in my eyes though.

In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?

We have a few subligar fans and even some perverted old perverted Galkas. I like to chase tarus as a naked galka some times. >.>


Additional: I think a large portion of the problems with the cultural differences is that a casual Japanese player is not the same as a casual NA player in most cases. Most casual Japanese players seem to be casual in only their playtime. They are much more focused in the game then most casual NA players. It seems to me a lot of casual NA players play the game only half hearted and are often watching TV, surfing the web, or doing something else while playing FFXI. There are those of us who do pay attention and are focused, but I think the ratio for lazy/good players is higher for the NAs. Yeah, I'm not happy to be associated with those people. Not all NA players are equal nor are all Japanese players equal. I try to judge everyone individually.

Bananas are snacks.

[Spira]

10- I love subligaria! Especially Galkas in subligaria! Subligaria has become so popular in America that they made a movie about a bunch of guys running around in subligaria called "300".

Was 300 even released in Japan for people to get that joke?

i guess you never saw this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUA5OrxNuhU

[Massimo]

1. I have had people do stuff like this to me a few times, and I generally try to remember who has done it, but I don't go out of my way to hate them or anything. In the end, I usually end up forgiving or forgetting them, and party with them later.

2. Trust me, there is no such official list.

3. I used to think that Japanese was better players, because honestly, in most cases they were. But as far as I've experienced, a lot of the time, that has changed. I still do not invite an English player over a Japanese player, or the other way around, I invite the job that I think will benefit the party the most (Unless I have a bad experience with either, or their gear is absolutely horrible of course).

4. I have had a few bad experiences, but far more good to counter that. One bad is for example, I accidently checked this random guy, while I was trying to tell someone else. He then proceeded to check me over 10 times and spam me with tells, because I had checked him. Normally, I never check people I do not know though, because I know Japanese people do not like it, so it has transferred into a habit that's in effect on both Japanese and English players for me.

Another thing I find to make me a little angry, is the {English no thanks} kinda thing in a seacom. I have realized that it is just because you do not want to go through the hassle of trying to speak english, or focus a lot trying to communicate. I always try to use simplified english though, and combine it with SE's translations that I know transfer over correctly to your language. I have had lots of japanese members tell me that I was a great leader for japanese people, yet 70% of the people seeking won't take an invite, because I speak English, rendering me unable to party basically. Not every english-speaking individual is an ass, I know there is a lot of them, but some of you should give the rest a chance.
(Sorry for the wall of text^)

5. A lot of NA's use autotranslation way more than they should. When someone who I know speaks perfect english, talks to me in autotranslation, I get annoyed. A lot of people use it just to make typing go faster though, which I think is a bit silly, but whatever works for them I guess.
I do believe though, that they target everyone, not just americans. A lot of the people shouting for something like an Assault though, might not have much idea how to communicate with a japanese person, which is where the issue comes up.

6. 90%+ of the people who hate japanese players, only hate you cause you hate NA's. It's the sad, neverending circle it seems, but that is the way it has turned out.
And I know you want to think of it as a japanese game, and in some way I guess it is, but it has been released in a lot of other countries now. It has become a international game, not just japanese.

7. I still see a few new people join, or old people coming back to the game, but a lot less than there used to.

8. I can't think of any specefic term that involve those things, but there sure is a lot of non-Japanese players like that as well.

9. I use Windower and some plugins myself, and it helps me play to make everything go more smooth, but it is nothing that I need. Sadly, bots have become a lot more common amongst endgame LSs, but that is just the way it is I guess.

10. Subligars seem to be pretty popular on bearded humes, otherwise I think that the beastmen heads seem to be somewhat the same thing nowadays. >_>

[Septimus]

Why are people gonna answer with lies? 95% of end game linkshells support RMT.. If you have people that bought characters, bought gil, etc...You support RMT. I mean everyone says they don't buy gil but who the hell was IGE selling it to? Tell the truth about third party tools also. Damn near everyone in the US uses some type of third party tools. I wonder if they play with the same plug ins we do.

Wow, 95%, what a great statistic. No doubt you came up with this very precise figure using One-way ANOVA and intracate T-Tests. Otherwise you are just making up numbers.

No, not every second character is bought. Many people are given second characters for free from LS members or friends that quit. Some people, egad, level second characters from scratch.

And are you one of those "Windower is the bane of human existence" folks? Because most reasonable people can tell that there is a world of difference between wanting to tab out to check your e-mail, using draw-distance, and claim-botting NMs from the ceiling.

[Stromgarde]

1.It depends on the severity of the offense. If it's something innocent, I'll usually forget, but really terrible players tend to stick out in your mind.

2. I have never heard of such a thing.

3. Generally speaking, skill and job of a given player is considered before language. Experience is viewed as a chore, so we want to get it over with as efficiently as possible.

4. Although for the most part my experiences have been positive, most negative experiences have been related to overreacting to something that would not be considered offensive in the context of NA culture, such as /check.

5. Generally speaking, if you can figure out what the shout is for, and know how they will go about doing the event, you are more than welcome to come.

6. I don't hold this opinion.


7. I don't see many, personally.

8. Some people actually use that exact word! The term for this in english is 'loan-word', which is the english equivilent of something like Wasei-Eigo or (more generally speaking) Garai-go.

9. RMT is hated with a passion by the playerbase. Third party tools are more muddied, with most players accepting Windower and its plugins, and among the HNM scene, and having a bot is viewed as a necessary evil if you want to have any chance whatsoever to claim an HNM, even if you won't admit this to anyone, even your own shell. Everyone can admit that having a claimbot is cheating, but if you camp HNM you are almost forced into it by the spread of them.

10. I can't speak for other people, but I love red equipment myself.

[Tarage]

Why are people gonna answer with lies? 95% of end game linkshells support RMT.. If you have people that bought characters, bought gil, etc...You support RMT. I mean everyone says they don't buy gil but who the hell was IGE selling it to? Tell the truth about third party tools also. Damn near everyone in the US uses some type of third party tools. I wonder if they play with the same plug ins we do.

I resent that. I have never ever used anything, from bots to even the windower. My account was hijacked by RMT.

Think before you speak jackass.

[EvilSid]

5
Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.

The obvious answer for this is OH YES.

It's a pain trying to write things with Auto-Translate, but if I do it when I shout, that's just because I want to be open to ALL players, expecially with japanese players, they are the only who can gain benefit from auto-translate.
I never met a French or a German with no basic knowledge of english.

[Octavious]

1
Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?

Yes, It seems to be something players from every region have done. Sometimes it would stem from the invited player not wanting to party with the group for any random reason, regardless it is generally looked down upon.

2
I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?

I believe there are certain types of lists on Allakhazam for Crafter Information and/or mission information people. Also, I am pretty sure these have been moved to FFXIwiki, but they still serve a similar purpose. I think NA players operate on more word of mouth from friends, then on a list.

3
I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

Generally speaking, JP players are usually held to a higher standard as far as gear and skill. Of course this is not always true for JPs or for NAs, but it is a long standing idea that some people still go by.

4
Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.

I don't think i've ever been insulted by a JP player, at least not that I have understood clearly enough to be an insult. If it was an insult in Japanese then I probably did not understand it fully.

5
Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.

As long as everyone is OK with following semi-broken auto-translate instructions then I would gladly take JP players into assaults, missions, etc. I did COP with 2 people that were JP and only knew a little english, and we still managed to accomplish a lot.

6
I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?

I've yet to actually see someone with a huge amount of hate directly for Japanese people. It usually stems from a bad experience, but most of the time people are just frustrated in general if something doesn't work out. I know most people play because they like the series and FFXI online brought a large community together over the FF series.

7
A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?

Every so often I see a few new players appearing, however the lack of low-level solo content and the overall difficulty in making any sort of money at lower levels usually stops people from joining. That and WoW seems to suck in anyone who would join FFXI.

8
In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?

Pretty much spot on.

9
Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?

RMT isn't accepted in any way, neither is the use of 3rd party tools. It generally leaves a bad taste in your mouth to camp Kings and see one LS make the majority of the claims. RMT are a nuisence but the response from SE seems to hurt everyone more than help, since they continuously remove large amounts of il from the system.

10
In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?

I've met a huge array of subligar fans, beastmen hat fans (particularly Gobby Hats), and swim suit addicts. Personally, I enjoy wearing black cloaks since they are cute on tarutaru. (*'-')b


Oh, and bananas are snacks. :3

[Guitarman]

No, not every second character is bought. Many people are given second characters for free from LS members or friends that quit. Some people, egad, level second characters from scratch.

Count me in that group. Good friend for 3 years decided to quit, so, since i leveled only tanks/DD, and she was a BLM she gave me her accont so i'd have a mage to play.

And are you one of those "Windower is the bane of human existence" folks? Because most reasonable people can tell that there is a world of difference between wanting to tab out to check your e-mail, using draw-distance, and claim-botting NMs from the ceiling.

I couldn't stand the 1.5 hour wait for people to gather for einherjar, dynamis and such if i couldnt click over and browse BG, youtube etc while i wait. Veli's a moron.

[luciferu]

1
In my french social LS, someone was insulting other people, I asked him to stop but he continued so I kicked him. To answer to the example: I don't hold a grudge if the PT disband when I get there, it happens.


2
No.


3
Most Japanese players are polite and nice, maybe that's why?


4
I was in an exp PT in bibiki bay, 3 were japanese, 2 NA and me (french). Because of the stupidity of the two NA noob players, they were like "NA w" and the jp blm warped his two JP fellows and himself leaving me alone with the other two impolite NA players. At that time, I hated both JP and NA. Thanks.


5
The use of Auto-Translate allows to target everyone. It might be a good experience to answer to one of those shouts, try your luck and don't be shy.


6
Some Japanese said "I hate foreigners", don't categorize people from their country: everyone is different.


7
A lot of people buy new accounts after they get banned I think. As for France, there're new players sometimes like once a month.


8
They are "no life" and they are proud of it.
(In France, there's also a really nice TV channel named "Nolife"! It's about j-music, games, anime and books for geeks, nerds and otaku.)


9
Personally, I hate RMT and I hate gilbuyers even more. As for 3rd party tool, it's their choice if they want to get banned and I usually report them if they're not my friends and if I saw them do it (i.e. warp bot).


10
I'm a huge fan of subligar, especially on Galkan.


Bonus
You can use banana's skin as a weapon. Bring one everytime you go out!

[Cesaria]

1 - From within the English-speaking community - yes we have our idiots and rude people. I'm from England though and even I tend to mentally put America, Canada, UK etc together within that community. It happens, they may make my mental moron list and I'll move on. The only people I really keep a note of are camp-stealing other beastmasters and I'll try to avoid doing anything BST-related with those people.

2 - We used to have Japanese speaking players like ApplePie who would put a lot of time into helping out on the RDM forum on FFXIonline and stuff. Sadly he stopped posting because someone was rude to him. I'm not aware of any "list" as such.

3 - I'm EU timezone and so used to end up in a fair share of JP parties. I never minded it as long as they'd cobble together a bit of autotranslate to tell me if they were still {looking for members} etc. I'll invite anyone as long as they know what they're doing - but I prefer to have more than one JP speaker in the party so they don't feel isolated.

4 - Judging people by the language they speak before they've had a chance to see what you can do insults me. Assuming all English-speaking players are the same when we're not, and lots of us get very irritated by the same stuff and the same people that the JP community do. I know some people dislike the JP approach to partying regarding replacements and the like - it doesn't bother me, and I actually prefer it (you guys tend to disband towards your midnight and pushing towards my dinner time which works for me!)

5 - I think it's just become a convention that we shout like that (and it's quicker than typing out the entire thing!). I'll target anyone who can help out and do whatever I'm shouting for - and that includes people using the Japanese, French and German clients as well. I do laugh at the guys who shout for things phrased in an auto translate way but without using the autotranslate function - they amuse me.

6 - I have no problems with Japanese people - I have problems with rude people of any nationality!

7 - There seem to be a few newer EU players still coming on board, which I think is to do with the game being available on the Xbox over here now (we never got the PS2 release). How many of them keep playing - I don't know because it's not the most forgiving game toward new people when most of the player base has multiple 75 jobs.

8 - "No lifers" or similar. I don't think it sums up the situation as succinctly as the Japanese version - but you get the gist.

9 - I don't know with this one. Windower is pretty much commonly accepted, as are things like dat swaps to change your character's appearance but then it gets a bit more divided. Personally - I don't but I'm sure that other people do, which I don't like much. As for the RMT - I'm glad that SE are finally taking on that situation as it had become ridiculous.

10 - Subligar on male characters is always wrong! We seem to have some people - especially male characters who enjoy the subligar from Sacrarium a little too much for comfort.

[Pyrexia]

1. Yes, there have been many incidents where a NA player has done something mean or rude to me.

2. Not that I know of.

3. The nationality of a player doesn't matter to me, although I do try to stick to inviting NA players just for the ease in communication. I know how frustrating it can be to not be able to convey your thoughts and feelings. More than nationality though, I care about how good the player is at their job.

4. There's been nothing cultural that I've thought was rude, but I have had very few JP players do mean things to me.

5. I use it mostly to get teleports, but the people who use it for missions and such are trying to include everyone and get a party together quickly. For many people though, typing with auto translate is just faster, you can type two letters and then have the whole word ready to go.

6. I don't hate Japanese players or Japan, I enjoy chatting with my Japanese friends on FFXI.

7. There really aren't many new players coming in at all, of any nationality. Most NAs have gone to WoW.

8. These guys exist to NAs too. Some people call them hai jin, more people just refer to them as someone with no life.

9. Most NAs don't consider windower a 3rd party tool. However, there is animosity towards linkshells that we know bot claim, speed hack, or pos hack. RMT have never been tolerated. My linkshell doesn't use claiming bots and things like that, we'd just rather not camp HNM if we have to cheat to do it.

10. Who doesn't like farming a subligar from Sacrarium!? There are NAs who love subligars, but many people also love Beastman hats, Glasses, Corsages, and Holiday items.

Bonus! That's a tough one, I eat bananas for snack or sometimes in lunch. But if snack money is reserved for candies and sweets and is placed as a limit to keep you from bring too much candy, I'd say it shouldn't be included in the snack money.

[newzarb]

1
Yes, it happened to me. In general I just forget the name after some time.

2
Never heard of such a list.

3
I think most NA or EU players don't really care about the country you come from as long as you play well and the party gains lots of XP! Communication may be a drawback sometimes but I think a good player doesn't have to talk much to know what to do.

4
I didn't speak with many Japanese players because I can only say a few words in Japanese. But the ones I spoke with were nice person.

5
If the activity isn't too complicated and doesn't require much communication, why not inviting Japanese players and talk in auto-translate? Most of the time it's enough to set up skillchains and such.

6
This kind of person is just totally stupid and shouldn't even play.

7
I think now we won't see many new players whether they're JP, NA or EU.

8
We call them "No lifers".

9
Person who buy gil, use bots and RMTs are most of the time hated by the community. Usually we call GM on them.

10
I think NA and EU players like to wear beastmen hats (or Opaline set on female characters). People also like to stand in town wearing their best equipment to show it off!


Additional note:
I don't know if the questions were actually asked to American players or if by "NA players" you mean non Japanese players but I answered these questions as an EU (French) player! Also I think playing with foreign players is a great thing because you can meet new cultures and totally different people. In these times when individualism is everywhere, opening ourselves up to something else is a good thing.

[Max™]

1
There are jerks from every nation of course, exceptional jerks get called out for it, but usually they just get told off and forgotten about.

2
Not that I've heard of.

3
Having a full party? NA generally don't care too much if you're JP or EU or NA when we want to party, just wanna get rolling and get exp.

4
The shout spam in Whitegate on my server is bad enough that I generally have /sh filtered any time I'm there.

5
Just means in general, it's a way to avoid making typing mistakes, and to avoid confusion in many cases. <Sergeant> <Mamool ja> <Assault> can only be one particular thing, so if you mess up the actual name, it's still obvious which one you mean.

6
Dunno, probably a backlash against the JP only attitudes, and or just being a jerk, wouldn't worry about it, just like most of us don't really worry about JP only. Getting worked up over rudeness seems like what those people would want to happen.

7
X360 players, plus totally new random newbies are still around.

8
haijin is used in NA too at times

9
We like to MPK RMT's when given the chance, generally the public opinion is against them, GM them, steal their monsters, MPK them, learn chinese curses to use on them.
It's looked down on to RMT, and such people generally get branded for it.

10
Always thought Order of the Blue Gartr was an in-joke referring to Subligars.
As was said though, Domaruuuuu, Brutal left/Rajas right, Ebody is purple, and taru's in Goblin hats (have one in my hat collection) would fit I guess.

[Lily]

Thx for doing this Elmer, it's fascinating, and very fun. Here's my answers, if you wanted them. ;o

Edit: Sorry Elmer, I'm realising that quite a few of my answers are longish, but it's difficult to summarise for you, yet convey the same meaning. I'll try to embolden the main points, but you can take what you like, it's okay.

1

Yes, lots of times - tho not necessarily just from my own country. If it is someone I don't know or they apologise, I might forget about it. But if it is someone that has done it before, I might avoid partying with them again in the future.

2

Personally, I've never heard of such a list of Japanese ppl. The closest would perhaps be a list of English speaking ppl who might be regarded as helpful, but I think that's rare also.

3

I don't like making parties myself generally. I worry too much about pleasing everyone and getting stressed out. But if I do make a party I don't specifically look to invite particular nationalities. I invite ppl based on informative/funny search comments that might give me a basic impression about their playstyle. I am very reluctant to invite ppl with no search comments, which seems to be happening a lot lately. It just so happens that every Japanese person seeking in my experiences, has had a search comment showing TNL, which is information I need. It makes me sad that ppl don't use comments very much. I would invite what I think is best for party in terms of job composition and levels. If they happen to be Japanese, Irish, Spanish, French, etc, it doesn't matter to me! Of course, I like to party with Japanese ppl because it gives me a chance to practice my very weak understanding of Japanese. ;x

4

I don't recall a bad thing that's happened to me with a Japanese player. In fact I think all my experiences with Japanese ppl in game have been good. They always seem well tempered and good natured, and if they seem quiet, I respect that it might be because they don't want to speak in English. ;o I can't think of anything that is disagreeable to me, but I would say that in the past the "JP Only" comment sometimes has made English speakers sad, because we would like to party with you! But now, I think most of us start to understand that it was because you preferred to talk in Japanese than try to understand/speak English. I think some ppl took some mild offense to it, because we do not see "German only" or "Spanish only" for example, so we thought you didn't like English speakers. ;x Sorry for misunderstanding!

5

This is hard and easy to answer. I think ppl use the auto-translator because it acts as the lowest common denominator. We, but it's also German and French speakers too, use it not specifically to attract Japanese, but for anyone. It's easier to read and more concise than writing your own language - if that makes sense. It is more universal. When ppl use the auto-translator, it's because they want to be able to communicate with everyone and not exclude a particular group. Maybe they would feel rude if they composed a Mission shout that was fully in English, for example. ;o This is my opinion anyway. For example, being British, if I see a shout in 100% Italian, I can't understand it and will probably ignore it, thinking that the person who shouted it is probably looking for help only from Italian speakers.

6

I think this is tricky to answer, and probably related specifically to the person that said that. It sounds like they were just being rude. It could just be as simple as loving the Final Fantasy series of games, but not having much care for Japanese ppl and culture. :X It is unusual I agree, but maybe it is no different to disliking the French, but still eating French fries?! Perhaps a lot of new players don't realise this was originally created as a Japanese game due to the steps taken by SE to make the game more accessible to different countries. I might be wrong. :O

7

Hmm, I think there are definitely still new players joining. Also, I see old players returning, that haven't played for a couple of years or so. But I can't tell you specifically what nationality all these ppl are. Some are European, some are American I think.

8

lol hmm, I am sure there are plenty of names ppl have, but personally I don't really have one. I think ppl would say 'They have no life'. ;x You could play a little everyday, but over a period of years slowly build up your character too. Perhaps the longer one plays, the more prone they are to being full of contempt - the game is no longer new to them, and they play by habit.

9

I think it's safe to say that the majority of English speakers probably hate RMT, and the effect they've had on the economy and the game over the years. I am sick of them personally. I think the opposition is quite fierce. I would be disappointed if I found out my friend was dealing with RMT or using third party tools. I would maybe try to encourage them to stop using those things. I have a low opinion of cheaters. Do they not value the challenge and reward? :\ I am happy with progress SE is making against RMT *now*, but I think most would agree that they were very late to start. The same could be said with the account hackings, which is a horrible thing for anyone to have to endure.

10

I think there is a lot of joking around with hume M and elv M wearing subligar because of how it looks. ;x But I don't know if it's as popular as it is with Japanese.