10 Questions from JP Players

[Isiolia]

1
Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?

Yes, I've had things like that happen. I don't usually hold a grudge against that person or group, unless it seemed intentional or has happened repeatedly. There are other actions, such as camping on top of my party, that I will hold a grudge over.

2
I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?

I am not aware of any in-game help lists. In the earlier days of FFXI, we did have a few experienced Japanese players that posted on some of the larger English speaking forums who were a great help to some of us in learning the basics and giving some perspective on how the game developed over time.
In addition, some Japanese players are known for soloing efforts due to videos posted online and linked to on English speaking forums.

3
I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

The primary reason NA will invite JP to a party is simply because they're on a job we need to round out the group. The language barrier is a downside, however, the goal is simply to make a working party setup.
Other pros and cons have more to do with the individual. The reputation that Japanese players have is that of good gear and skill, and sticking with a party. Not all actually do, though most that I've partied with did. Still, the reason they were invited was simply to fill the job slot needed.

4
Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.

While I have not had Japanese players directly insult me, I have been subject to very inconsiderate behavior on their behalf. Leveling BST particularly, I was camped on top of, had them start farming mobs I was XPing on (or pets), MPKed by JP players changing armor on their NPCs who killed my pets off...
Now, I recognize that far more players may have seen I was there and been more considerate. I also had some nice experiences duoing and trioing with Japanese BSTs. That was simply something where a lot of the bad experiences I had were due to Japanese players as well.

5
Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.

Generally speaking, NA are open to anyone who respond to shouts. Communication maybe harder, but there's the assumption that we can find a way to say what needs to be said via auto translate. It's not just Japanese players who may be seeing a shout, but EU players who don't speak English as well. So using that is attempting to address as wide an audience as possible.
That being said, I feel that many NA players do abuse auto translate, and don't take into account that not everything means what they think it means.

6
I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?

It could be that they hate the people less, and more hate the attitude that can be presented by Japanese players. If they really needed a healer for their XP party, but the only ones available were Japanese and refused to party with him because he wasn't Japanese, that would create tension.
Some of us understand the awkwardness that the language barrier can create. I've lived in several foreign countries, including Japan, so I can empathize. Others just figure auto-translate is good enough for them, and should be good enough for anyone.

That FFXI is made by a Japanese company is true, but remember that it's also localized and marketed in the U.S. It's not as though someone needs to import a copy in order to play.

7
A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?

There aren't a whole lot of new subscribers coming in on the U.S. side either. I see a lot more people coming back to the game than entirely new players.

8
In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?

No-lifer would be one. A number of NA players understand, and use, the term "haijin" as well.

9
Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?

The vast majority of NA players completely hate RMT and gil farmers. Buying gil or characters is looked down on.
Third party tools, it depends. Botting or really hacking the game is looked down on. Things like windower and basic plugins (showing info like recasts, distance, TP, etc) are common, and while we have some players who are opposed to them, most aren't. PC players are generally used to a more robust interface from other games, many of which include that sort of info already.

10
In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?

::shudder:: We have our subligar fans too. Nothing specific comes to mind, though many people have their town gear sets that they like the look of, some of which include non combat pieces like nation aketons, beastman hats, or crafting gear.

[Greenjade]

1

Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?

It happens all the time, and no, I don't hold grudges because its just pointless. Forget and move on.


2

I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?

I've yet to hear about such a list. But I do know a few Japanese people that are really nice. ^^


3

I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

For me, despite the language barrier, a Japanese person in the party probably has a better idea on what to do then some of the people in the party.


4

Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.

Not really, the only time I've been bothered by Japanese player is when the party is 5/6 and we either need a tank or a healer and the only one seeking is the one that has "JP PT Only".


5

Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.

Yes, that is one of reasons why I do it. I find the shouts that don't use Auto-Translate kind of tasteless and rude.


6

I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?

Those people are just ignorant so don't pay them any attention.


7

A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?

Well, to be honest the learning curve of this game is steep, a few people will start playing it, realize that they can't get far and end up quitting to play World of Warcraft.


8

In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?

Lol, we don't have a word for them, we just out right call them "Players with no life."


9

Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?

We have the Special Task Force too, and as for RMT they're horrible. =\


10

In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?

Don't think there are any on my server. o.0

[Kainos]

1 - I only hold a grudge depending on the person's attitude. If they are apologetic I will let it go but I would also /blackist if they were arrogant, which I hate. I share these experiences with my friends, who in turn would avoid that player.


2 - Never heard of this.


3 - I invite based on what my party needs. I do not care what country they are from, only that they can do their job. I have no interest to chat as I want to get xp as fast as possible. I find that Japanese players play well as opposed to NA players which are hit or miss.


4 - I find JP only racist. I have seen JP flags up for hours when they could have joined my party and we were getting good xp. Why be so stubborn? I just want to xp, I am not looking to conversate with you.


5 - Auto-Translate is very usefull for us as a form of short hand, rather than spell out the whole word. In shouts Japanese players are welcome, my goal is to get things done as fast as possible and would accomadate anyone who shows an interest.


6 - I think that is a very rare case, alot of NA players love Japanese anime, manga ect, we call them weaboo's. Everyone enjoys the content in the game, that's like saying Japanese who don't like NA shouldn't watch american movies.


7 - I don't see many new players at all. Most who start end up quitting.


8 - Elitist


9 - hate RMT, they ruin the game and also hate when they camp on top of us with PL'ver. I try to will try to screw them any chance I get.


10 - Subligar is gay, people only use it to get a reaction (usually "Ewww")

Bonus: bananna is a snack so it should be included in price

[Jonel]

1 :
Nothing worth remembering the next day.

2 :
Not a list, but reputation based on other NA players' stories.

5 :
No, NA players are just too lazy to type out the whole word.

6 :
Because those particular NA players are too ignorant to recognize the difference.

7 :
Hell nah.

8 :
Yeah there are. Shit, there's even an entire forum community full of people like that.

9 :
Gyoza? Isn't that pot-stickers?

10 :
Ridill.

[layoneil]

1
Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?

1) almost everything in the game that i would consider bad that happened to me involves NA players.

2
I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?

2) BG forums used to keep a list of 100 crafters on Bahamut and allowed people from other servers to contribute list for their servers. this was about 3+ years back when most crafts only had 1 or fewer 100 NA crafters (Goldsmithing had none on Bahamut when the list was first made). back than even when people had 100 crafts, lots didn't have all the subs needed for certain synths. the majority of the Bahamut list were JP players that were known to synth for anyone (a few JP players were known to not synth for NAs so they weren't put on the list).

not aware of any other kind of list.

3
I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

3) main benefit is there's a larger pool of players to invite from, especially since i often XP during JP night time. no real drawbacks, communication for XP PTs are fairly simplistic, most players know what to do and the ones that don't won't listen to you even if they speak English.

4
Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.

4) not really any more than NA players, mostly it's HNM related stuff and people just lose their manners in DA.

although i understand the reasons for it and the benefits to it, i don't like that most JP parties almost always disband when 1 person has to leave. when i have time set aside for XP, i would like to use as much of it as possible.

6
I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?

6) they're stupid.

8
In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?

8) lol, i remember when nearly everyone in my LS wanted to be "hai jin" and i second/third whoever said "elitists".

9
Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?

9) i think gil farming is inevitable, as long as their activities don't interfere with regular players directly, it's usually tolerable.

[Ten_Answers]

Wanted to answer, so I made an account just for this.


1
I avoid replacement PTs most of the time. If I do go, I know the risk I'm taking so I can't get mad at the other person.

2
I've never even heard of anything like that.

3
If there are any drawbacks, it would be limiting oneself to only half the server for PTing. Especially for simple things like exp, there shouldn't be much of a need for detailed communication. I can't think of inviting a player in those terms. I have to think about "What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a black mage player to my party? A paladin player? A ranger player?" etc.

4
JP ONLY = racism. End of story. Now, I know that for most players, JP = 日本語 [JP language], but of course "Japanese" is also the word for 日本人 [JP person], so it's usually taken that way. Naturally, people feel hurt and confused about it. What's worse is if someone who is on BRD says "I don't speak any English." (which we understand is code for "NA don't ask me for PT"). But, when this player changes to a less popular job, suddenly they speak English!

5
I'm targeting players who need the mission. I don't care if you speak English, Japanese, Swahili, moonspeak, or whatever. All I care about is can you do the job. I believe strategy can be worked out in most cases before the mission begins.

6
No race of people is without their racists. As long as there are different cultures, there will always be someone who doesn't like something about another culture. I would say these people play to enjoy FFXI. If you use JP ONLY, why play?

7
Not sure.

8
Now that I know that, I'll call them 廃人. lol

9
People openly speak against RMT, I think even those who secretly buy gil themselves. This is one case where we are more like Japanese, with group mentality.
As for third party tools, I use the Windower for two reasons: one, I didn't like full screen at the time. And two, it allows you to type in Japanese. With just this small modification, I was suddenly able to be invited to any Japanese PT or event, and JP players would stop and listen to me. My skill in Japanese did not suddenly go up, just I was able to type in Japanese.
So yes, I think Windower is great for NA. It also shows PT's TP, and alliance's MP and TP. That's a nice bonus.

10
Ridill, Defending Ring. Probably not anymore, but before everyone was a RDM I think the "pimp hat" was pretty popular.

Bonus
Do they check what's in the bento? If not, just put whatever you want in there and don't buy extra food.


Closing thoughts: Stop using JP ONLY, most people know how to play now. Be advised that the NA version of FFXI does -not- allow you to type with Japanese characters, even if you know some Japanese. Don't assume that people asking you for something with roman characters is just another gaijin who knows no Japanese.

[Tyrian]

1. I have had many bad experiences with NA parties, where the party disbanded very shortly after arriving. I did not hold a grudge, because the party leader shouldn't be held responsible for the coming and going of everyone in the party.


2. I've never heard of such a list.


3. When I first started playing FFXI, it was considered good luck to be invited into a Japanese party, because they were knowledgeable, consistent, and would stay together for a long time. Japanese players had been playing longer, and often had better equipment, and their philosophy of working together helped make parties more successful.

For some, this mentality slowly transformed into a feeling that Japanese players in a party were somehow better than NA players, and ignored the fact that it was the philosophy behind how they made their parties that created the experience. Some people still hold to these thoughts, though, and somehow expect that having a Japanese player in a typical NA "revolver party" means that the party will perform better somehow. Others, however, simply have the goal of inviting another player, regardless of where they are from.


4. I can't think of any instance where I have been personally hurt or insulted by a Japanese player. In my linkshell, there are some people who have lived in Japan or who have studied Japanese culture or who are of Japanese descent, and so we sometimes discuss cultural differences. That helps with our overall understanding, and prevents situations where bad feelings are generated because of misunderstandings.


5. There are two groups of people that use auto-translate: those who want to reach out to other players no matter where they are from, and those who are too lazy to type full words. Unfortunately, the response you get from these two players will be vastly different, and there is really no way to know which kind they are ahead of time.


6. I don't think that most NA players consider Final Fantasy a Japanese game. It is a game programmed in Japan, but it targets an international audience. It would be like saying, “If you dislike NA players, then why do you play baseball?”


7. While there aren't a lot of new subscribers coming in, I do see them from time to time. There are several people in my linkshell who are still in early levels on their first job.


8. I think that many NA players are divided on this. If I understand the definition correctly, many people who would be considered “hai jin” seem to be the leaders and the most vocal players in the HNMLS community. Then there are others who shun the HNMLS community because they don't want to be a part of that mentality. However, I don't think there is an actual term for that kind of player (other than, perhaps, an “elitist” which addresses the prejudice and contempt).

As a side note, I find that term funny because (if I am pronouncing it correctly) it sounds like “hygene”, which is often portrayed as a problem for players who spend too much time focusing on the game and neglecting their real life.


9. I'm thankful for the Special Task Force, and the measures they have taken to get rid of both RMT and those who use third party tools. My experience with both is limited, and I think it depends on the sort of people you choose to spend time with in the game. Some groups don't have a problem with it, and some people are strongly against it. The problem with trying to define NA players, is that we are such a large and diverse group of people, that it is hard to find consensus on any issue, let alone things in-game.


10. I also know several NA players who are huge subligar fans, and they frighten me.


Bonus: A banana is definitely part of the lunch. It has too many good properties to place limitations on. Children should be encouraged to eat bananas, not limited as if bananas were a bad thing.

[Shassira]

I'd say this is exactly where the anonimity thing when answering to posts that the JP talked about would help. I'm shocked by the amount of hipocricy i'm reading when answering question #9.

#9:
The western comunity keeps the facade of disliking and frowning upon both RMT and cheating by the use of third party tools. But in reality, this is highly accepted and common knowledge that both services are being used on a constant basis by our comunity, not only by new players. This aspect shows the two faced morals of most of our cultures.

[Olo401]

1) Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?

A: Yes it happens a lot, particularly with my own countrymen. Most of the time it's a one-time dispute that disappears in a couple days. Once in a while though, you are wronged so badly by a player or group of players that you just can't help but hold a grudge. I've had 'elite' endgame players come into my exp party camps and train all the mobs away to farm for a coffer key, then they and their friends would bomb me with tells because I confronted them about it. I've had female players who I was friendly with for years (including the shellholder of one of my linkshells) turn into "BAKA CHIBI" because I gave attention to another female in-game. I've even had players get my cell phone number and crank-call me.


2) I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?

A: I personally haven't seen such a list, but I have seen some message boards (i.e. Allakazham) with a 'favorite player' thread once in a while that has players of many different nationalities. There's also some famous players, such as Avesta, who are well-known for their accomplishments.


3) I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

A: If a Japanese (or Canadien, French, German, Spanish, etc.) player is willing to join a party, I'll gladly invite them. The trend lately though has been to have linkshell-only parties because everyone knows each others' play habits better, and if a LS event comes up the party can just break with no one being left out.

If I do get the chance to party with a JP player, I try to learn at least one new JP phrase that I don't already have in my notes. It's tough though when you're cranking out 20K exp/hr!



4) Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.

A: I have never been maligned by a Japanese player, and I believe it is because their culture looks down on such behavior. If there's anything that (most) Americans can learn from the Japanese, it's temperance and/or humility.

Some players will say that a JP player insults them when they use a "JP Member Only" flag comment. Personally, I just think that they're hurting themselves by not getting that party!

5) Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.

A: Absolutely - I am targetting players of all nationalities. Usually I'll add some words in romanji or a few kata symbols as well. NA players will also use the Auto-Translate as a form of in-game slang, such as {Giant Donko} meaning penis or {Home Key} meaning "homie" i.e. friend.


6) I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?

A: I don't know.. some people are just that ignorant, and can't be reasoned with.

7) A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?

It's hard to tell.. Even if there are new players, the number of players retiring due to game fatigue and SE's dismissiveness about its players far outnumber them.

8 ) In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?

I suppose you could call such a person a BG'er.


9) Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?

A: RMT (both buyers and farmers) and people who use cheat tools to claim & flee hack are "UKI KASU" (SCUM). This doesn't include people who use utilities such as Windower and its informational plugins. In my current linkshell, RMT and use of cheat tools is not tolerated. And frankly, it's pointless! If your group is skilled enough, they can beat even the botters.

10) In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?

A: Actually, there's a few NA players who are quite fond of the subligars too. Hehe..

I really haven't heard about any particular "fun" equipment. Many of the players I know are more into very rare gear, such as Adaman Hauberk - it's a more materialistic choice.

Bonus Question: A banana included in a lunchbox is usually considered part of the meal, but if you save it and eat it later it can be considered a snack.

[Mytiwar]

1
Yes, it did happen way too many times, and yes, I do hate the retards that do that. Both the guy inviting for replacement and the leader of the party.


2
Not that I know of, although I do remember that one Jp, Shellkey, who was eager to help anyone for any reason on Leviathan. She quit a while ago though...


3
Communication is often difficult, although most will try as hard as they can. Whenever I invite a japanese player, I try to invite another one so they can discuss together lol
There are no real benefits or drawbacks in inviting a japanese person over an english one, except the language barrier, to me.


4
JP ONLY!
Not really offensive per say as it is annoying I think, especially when you ask someone to party in tell and that's the thing they answer.


5
If I'm stuck shouting for pickups, I might as well include the Jp population yes, since it's so big on the Leviathan server too.


6
Seems to me like you talked with a moron. I'm sure moron people exist in Japan too uh, it's universal I'm sure.


7
Not really that I know of... I don't think the game is dying yet but I do think Square-Enix is struggling with new subscriptions... with all these new MMO's around without ps2 limitations.


8
No lifer's, geeks, fatties.


9
I think many people does use real money trade, but they keep it a huge secret for fear of being hated. For a good reason too. I did pass many many many many hours trying to cockblock gil farmers out of their income (Kuftal's manta, many nm's around Vana'diel like Mee Deggi back in the day..) but in the end they are just so many in so many different places that there's not much one can do...
I don't personnaly know any gilbuyers, although a few people on my server are suspect of doing so and really hated about it.


10
I really wish Square-Enix implemented a lvl 75 subligar with good stats, it would go so well with my hooker skadi boots and my ultra gay denali jacket and denali head...

[Shadowrunner]

1
Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?

I have. A lot. It is annoying and usually leaves me upset. But my time is limited, so I try to think of something else to do. I never hold a strong grudge, but that is my nature.

2
I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?

I actually have heard of this list, it existed a while ago. However the list I saw is long gone, in my opinion it is a shame. Now it would only seem that negative lists appear. [/quote]

3
I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

I find that it is a cultural experience to party with the Japanese. The methods to how they fight, the difference in choices such as where to camp and what to do is fun. It is easier for me to understand when they have had enough, as they tend to announce it more. As well, I understand that they plan to party for a while and don't mind going to camps that are not usually taken. A benefit AND drawback is they tend to not focus on the experience earned per hour, but more of how safe and fun the experience is obtained. The drawbacks are obvious, language barrier. It is hard to express "Thank you" and "This is fun!" without using the Translator, which we can only guess is getting the correct message across.

Given the choice between a NA only server or a Mixed server, I would gladly choose Mixed. The experience you have with another player is enjoyable despite the drawbacks.

4
Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.

Honestly, no. But I try my hardest to make them happy, as I know that for every struggle I have with them, they are probably having the same struggle with me. I only hope that the issues that I cause Japanese players are overshadowed by the fun experience it is to play with someone who is different. The only action that Japanese do that I find disagreeable is the exclusion comments, such as "JP Only".

The only reason I find it disagreeable is because it leaves this feeling of a wall, A lot of people are interested by how the players on the other side of the wall treat their garden and play their games, but it is near impossible to get past the wall. Every once in a while, someone will be willing to step out into our yard for whatever reason, they have no one else to play with or they want to experience what I want to experience. Other times, a friendly hand will open the door and let me through to see what it is like on the other side. More often than not though, as soon as I've enjoyed the other side, a new wall is there, and I have to try and hope for another hand.

Condensed: JP Only is understandable, but I would enjoy being able to play with them. I should work on my Japanese and see what I can accomplish.

5
Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.

When I use Auto-Translate, it is because I want to reach both audiences. I like to give the opportunity to everyone, rather than just NA's. If the language barrier seems too large, I understand, but I still feel that the offer should go to everyone.

6
I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?

Just like question one, these people are not favored. If someone were to tell me "I hate English people" or "I hate Japanese people", I would also turn to them and ask them "Why play?". It's not about being English or Japanese, it's about being a player.

7
A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?

A lot of my friends like to jump around in the MMO scene. I still do see people joining, but not as many as before. Unfortunately, MMO's are the new big trend, and it seems that every other week a new one is out, and lures people to it.

8
In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?

haha, I would say they're posters on BG. There's no real name for high level players, however, we have names for those who do not possess tons of high-level equipment, we call them "gimp". Those who are filled with prejudice and contempt don't get a name, but I disregard them.

9
Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?

There is strong opposition against the practice of RMT. If it is known, it is shunned. Most people will take actions to not associate themselves with these people. Third Party Tools are becoming something that are either accepted or denounced. Windower, for example, is loved by most as a tool that is unbelievably useful and fair. Other tools that allow direct cheating are greatly hated. It comes down to the individual when asked, but as a whole, bad things are hated.

10
In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?

Subligars are popular, they bring a good laugh. I would say they are the most popular thing to wear as a joke. I try to wear the Christmas Suit as often as possible, as I like the look. That is just me though.


As for the banana question:

I don't like bananas. No matter where they are placed, they are placed in the trash by me.

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[Choas]

#1 I've had someone from JP/EU/and NA that do that but i don't try to dwell on it cause its just a waste of my time.

#2 O.o I've never heard of there being a list most everything I hear is you guyz want us dead.

#3 Ok when i invite people I dont care if your NA/JP/ or EU I just like to lvl I like to thank of it as giving everyone a far shot at a party not just say o his JP not inviting him or his EU not inviting him either, I also try to use JP language if im able and Eu also.

#4 Well there was one time when i /checked a Japaneses player and they slaped me and got rather angry i thought i offended them so i tried to apologies the best i could at the time but they didn't seem to care.

#5 well i don't use it to target japanese i just use it so everyone can kinda understand what im talking about. so region speak can join.

#6 I don't hate Japanese players i just wish they didn't hate me i mean i never did anything wrong that i know of and if i did I try to apologies, I don't pass judgment on every Japaneses player I meet just because i had one Japanese player be unkind to me, but i kinda get the feeling Japaneses have passed judgment on NA already, no matter if there nice or not.

#7 yes there are new NA that join but there are very very few.

#8 ya we call those players Addicted or "They have no life"

#9 if you use third party programs in my LS and the leaders find out your pearl will be broken and your on our shit-list, as far as RMT goes I wish they would all die, to many of my friends have been hacked because of them 5yrs of there work stolen and SE will do nothing.

#10 i really dont understand this question but i HATE subligers they look like bondage wear O.o


Bonus

Well if you let it be part of lunch you can have more snacks but i think that would be greedy

[DancingEdge]

1
Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?

All the time. The lower the level the more common it is. If the party tells you he didn't ask anyone before getting himself a replacement, it's understandable to be mad, because had he asked they would have told him they were disbanding soon.

2
I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?

Never seen one. We do discuss JP players occasionally, when it comes to extreme examples of either skilled/well geared or amature/poorly geared.

3
I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

If the role is not one where you need to communicate with them a lot, inviting a good japanese player can be wonderful. When say, you have a brd/nin puller in merit, and you can't tell him that when he pulls with stuff other than elegy he's killing the RDM's MP pool, because I'm war/nin and first voking and can barely get ni up against a mob that doesn't have elegy.

4
Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.

The /check thing is really annoying. It's 100% normal for us, for us it's like we said "Hey, nice coat" and you replied "OH MY GOD STOP LOOKING AT ME". Also, we understand your english may not be great, but if I am making an effort to autotranslate, and communicate, please do the same in return... even if it's just autotranslate.

5
Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.

If you are honest and strait forward, there is no reason to not ask.
(Japanese) (Member) (Do you need it?)
(Veteran) (You can have this.) (Event) (Invite to join party) (Yes, please.)

6
I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?

Well, while that's not something widely said or felt, I can understand how it would happen, since so many JP players say negative things like what's been relayed to us in this discussion so far, I'm not surprised some NA players dislike JP players. Why still play? SE has an NA division too. It's silly to say that just because something originates in Japan that you have to love Japan to use it/like it.

7
A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?

All the time. We actually recruit our friends. I have many real life friends who play, and some who are recent/new players.

8
In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?

Basement Troll - A troll meaning you are not a normal person, hidden aware from society, and the basement implying you live at home, in the basement, which is seen as a negative thing in the US.

9
Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?

RMT are hated by almost all players.
Third party tools? Well, we love Windower, just like I think a lot of JP players use FFXIAssist.
When it comes to cheating tools, bots, hacks, I don't think anyone is OK with it, but I don't think most people would stop being friends with someone because of it, unless it caused serious problems for them.

10
In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?

It's more of a joke for NA players. Not in a mocking way towards the Japanese, but just because for us it's more funny than it is popular. It's possible this spread to NA players from JP players. I personally think it's attractive on female characters and hate it on male characters, and I think it's a funny piece of gear in general. I don't understand why it's popular in Japan though.

[Rainewaters]

1. I have experienced both bad things from JP players, and NA players. As soon as I get there, not 15 minutes later, they disband. I do get upset about it, but I do get over this obviously rude gesture. However, if they keep doing this, I do hold a grudge and refuse to party with them. It might just be my linkshell, but we share names of people who act like this and do not associate ourselfs with people who have done such a rude thing to any of us.

2
No, but we do comment on JP who are nice among our linkshells. Just like there are bad JP, NA and EU, there are also very nice people among each group.


3
This stemmed from back in '05. NA people thought JP were better than them, and invited them eagerly. It seems even though now NA and JP people are on an even playing feild, this thought seems to have been hammered into many peoples minds and they want JP people in their parties.


4
A few jp people have gotten on my bad side. But so have NA. It's not where the person is from, it's the person themselves.


5
We do it because we don't really care if a person speaks English, French, German, or Japaneses. We live in a culture where everything is done fast, and the more people we can get to help, the faster something is done.


6
Not many people are like that. NA people are extremely short tempered due to our culture, and hate blaming ourselves for our mistakes. So "I hate Japanese" translates to "I made a mistake and I am extremely upset about it and plan to blame a Japanese person for lack of communication."


7
Yes, there are. But it has dwindled down. Dunes parties now mostly consist of 5/6 people leveling a new job, and 1/6 new players.


8
We call them no-lifers, bgers, or we associate them with a random NA who is infamous for having no life.

9
A few years ago, a hacker hacked into the database of a extremely popular third party site, and put out all the names of people who used, along with their server. The list was so huge, after that, people stopped caring if you botted or not. However, among pc users, there is a windower program, that about 90% use.

About the RMT, we hate not only them, but people who buy. It is like buying drugs on the street corner. They do it to please themselves, but is looked down upon by the rest of society.

10
There is among the females. We love the opiline set. We however, do not buy these. We receive them as gifts from our boyfriends, or very dear male friends. If it's signed, it makes us very happy, because it shows the person cares about you.

In general though, we love signed things.

11.
The banana is considered a snack. However, a huge part of NA hates bananas unless it is included with ice cream.

[Aerides]

1 - party invite/disband
Sure this does happen, but I do not think of what country the person is from. A jerk is a jerk. It’s often more a case of the other players not communicating their intent to leave – sometimes these things happen. I understand this would be why most Japanese players do not wish to join parties as replacements, and I can’t fault anyone for that.

2 JP help list
Never heard of it.

3 - inviting JPs
This was probably more the case in 2004/05 – “ooh a Japanese player he must be amazing”. I think (unfortunately) most NA’s do not even read /seacom let alone language preference so we invite based on job and need more than anything. Of course communication can be tricky, but part of the fun of this game is interacting with many cultures so that difference can be refreshing.

4 JP rudeness?
Probably but I cannot remember a specific example. What we do not like is the assumption that all NA are idiots, or “JP Only” – please do not judge me based on one bad experience 3 years ago with some stupid person whom you assume to be NA. By limiting to one nationality over another, you only perpetuate the assumption that Japanese players do not like NA, and that makes NA more prone to rudeness in return. Assume positive intent.

5 Auto-trans shouts
It is used more for laziness than to be a global invitation, however, I could not imagine an NA player refusing a Japanese person offering to join simply because he was Japanese (unless he is a jerk). Most NA shouting for help though are those without Linkshells – there are few things I have joined as a result of shouts myself, and usually they are badly organized regardless of where the person is from.

6 Japanese game
No one that I know considers FF a “Japanese game”. Nor does anyone “hate Japanese people”. Honestly, a majority of all games that NAs play are made in Japan. If anything, the US gaming population has more affinity for Japanese culture than the general US. I personally enjoy the diversity of the population in this game, it is always nice when you can bridge culture/language gaps in a common goal.

7 New players
I see some, but you are asking this of the end game community, and we do not pay so much attention, sadly, to the newer players if they are out there.

8 75
We would just say they have “no life” but some would be a little jealous. The “prejudice and contempt” piece is strange though, as this can be someone of any level/accomplishment.

9 RMT/Tools
RMT is very much hated by US. Players suspected of buying gil also are generally disliked. 3rd party tools the same, but more only for those that give an advantage such as bots/hacks/claimers. It would be nice if the game allowed for things like long macros and some features of windower (SE windower is a complete failure). Other “enhancements” of windower like distance, tp, etc., are generally regarded as benign, but there are some tools that start to step into a grey area.

10 Subligar
No real equivalent – used to see some ppl walk around in the wedding gear a lot, but today I don’t see anything that stands out. No male character should leave their mog in a subligar IMO.


Also, plain banana by itself is too healthy to be a snack. But not so healthy as say, an apple or orange.

[Phla]

1. Yes, although I really don't hold grudges since its still the internet, and why be pissed off over someone whom I'll never be able to punch in the face. At best, I'll just never accept an invite from said person again. However there are going to be psycho/stupid people that will hold a grudge for the rest of their lives, but thats to be expected as its like that in RL too, lol.


2. There is no huge list of helpful JP players, but nice/helpful players are usually mentioned in just basic talk.


3. Usually JP players know how to play their jobs and -usually- have decent gear, with most pickup NA/EU players being retarded 12 year old gimps, who have 0 idea how to play their jobs correctly, even with a wealth of information around.


4. When a JP player goes "JP ONLY" that is an insult, because who is to assume I couldn't be that "foreigner" who would change your opinion about being JP only? So yeah, saying NO I WON'T PT just based on being from a certain area is a big turnoff.


5. I don't mind at all if a JP player wants to come along, in fact, I'd love to play more with JP players, since a lot of JPs seem so shy lol. I'd be more then happy to tell you what some words mean if you just asked.


6. Didn't apply to me, since I don't hate anyone lol.


7. Not that I can see, since I quit too, lol.


8. I guess haijin would be the correct term for NA people like that too lol.


9. Yes. If my friend of linkshell uses them, well, its not like I could do anything since it was their choice, but I never was really faced with that situation. Since RMT started hacking accounts and destroying the game for those people, I personally think they should just move on to another game or just die, either works.


10. Qiqirn hood/subligars are pretty popular, but I think a lot of NA people are more driven by stats or worth on gear, compared to the look.


Bonus: banana isn't a snack, but still why would you want to eat it with fish or meat, they just don't go that well lol

[Shirahime]

1.
Of course people from the same nationality of myself have wronged me in the past. Depending on the severity of the issue I may not even remember the incident a week later, but if it was something truly bad, then I'll be sure to remember who it was. That being said, I don't go out of my way to do harm to them, I just am not likely to accommodate them should they need it.

2.
I have never come across such a list, however sometimes people in LS chat will mention a nice encounter they had with a JP person. I by no means keep track of these encounters though.

3.
I no longer merit with anyone except friends nowdays, but when I used to make my own parties, I would invite the jobs that would create the best exp available, regardless of nationality. If I need a fourth DD and all that's seeking is a JP war/nin, then I'll for sure send a tell asking if they would like to party, just like I would had the person been NA.

4.
I haven't directly been insulted by a JP player. There are a few occasions where it's kind of disheartening and indirectly insulting like when I would ask a JP player to PT only to have them ignore me or respond "JP Only!!" As far as disagreeable actions are concerned, while play styles are different between cultures, I don't really see any of the JP in-game customs and wrong or rude.

5.
From someone who did most of CoP through shout groups, and most of my captain status assaults through shouts as well- I usually always use the auto-translate function where I can. It is very clear then to all people who may be interested in helping with what I'm trying to accomplish. When I am setting up an event by shouting, I am more than happy to take the extra time before beginning to make sure that everyone is clear on how we'll go about doing the job. It really makes me happy to receive tells from JP players when I shout for help.

6.
I don't hate Japanese people. Sometimes I do hate it when I get the "JP Only!" response from players, but that doesn't mean I hate that person, or their country.

7.
I personally don't know many new subscribers at all.

8.
I'm not familiar with any particular nickname being associated with players like that, but that stigma does exist among NA players as well.

9.
Most NA players do not condone RMT, and usually speak out against it. As far as third party tools go, windower is generally accepted among the people I know as an ok third party tool to use. Others however, such as claim-bots, fishing-bots, among other things are often considered wrong. Personally, I use no third party software what-so-ever...I use SE's windower with stock .dat files.

10.
Most people I know usually joke about how ugly male characters look in subligar, but other than that subligar don't generally have any sort of positive of negative status.

Bonus:
Fruit to me isn't really a part of a meal in most cases. So I'd have to say it'd be a part of the "snack" category.

[deshende]

1. I try not to get too upset about such things. I usually make a mental note to avoid such players for the near future but do not hold long term grudges.

2. I've never seen the list but I'm interested in seeing it. I do still know the name of the first JP player that raised me when I started the game.

3. Benefits: Filling out a party, occasional cross cultural exchanges. Drawbacks: Not always finding the right way to explain what's going on (or having them feel left out on casual conversation).

4. I can't think of any big insults besides the "NA No Thanks" that most of us encounter when trying to build a party. The only repeat action that I find disagreeable is the "JP Only" trend because it further divides the community.

5. I would think it doesn't specifically target Japanese players, but is open to anyone that would like to join (Japanese players included).

6. Those players are ignorant. Please don't hold them against the whole player base.

7. Not a whole lot but there are a few new waves now and then. Most of the new players seem to be old players coming back to the game and then bringing their friends with them.

8. I can't think of a certain term but those people are usually regarded with a mixture of jealousy and pity.

9. I'm personally anti-RMT and anti-3rd party tools. The only thing I use is a screen shot program. I can't even bring myself to use Windower because I think it gives unfair advantages that the rest of the player base doesn't have (people on ps2, xbox, etc).

10. I must admit, I did enjoy seeing people's reactions to wearing the panties on my Ranger for a while. Such amusements must be cross-cultural.


Bonus: I would lean toward part of lunch that you could save for later. Regardless, this question made me hungry.

[Rakiel]

1
Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?

I tend to forget single occurrences, but make a point of remembering anyone who does it to me or a LSmate/friend more than once.

2
I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?

No, but I think a multinational "Helpful Players" thread is not a terrible idea.

3
I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

Japanese players (for the most part) have a reputation as solid, dependable players that will stay with a party. Also, your chances of getting a good player when filling a party spot with a random player is higher when inviting a Japanese player than a random NA player.

4
Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.

Since I started playing in 2003, I can't recall being insulted by a Japanese player; the ones I've interacted with have almost all been polite, with only one or two cases of random disbanding and the rare, verbally expressed frustration when I occasionally out-claim an NM.

5
Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.

I rarely do events outside of my linkshell anymore, but I use the Auto-translate to show that nationality doesn't matter, and that anyone who needs what I am shouting for is welcome to come. Strategies for nearly every kind of mission/quest/assault are easily available and (mostly) widely-known at this point, and working out minute details usually isn't too hard.

6
I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?

I don't hate ANYBODY based on their nationality; there are good and bad players all around the world.

7
A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?

I have noticed a few, and some of my old friends are returning after several years away from FFXI.

8
In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?

"Elitist" usually suffices.

9
Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?

Evidence of RMT activities were grounds for immediate removal from my old linkshell, and is generally frowned upon heavily by most of the community.

Note: Most of the players I know that play on PC use a windower, but refuse to use any "harmful" tools such as flee-tools, claiming-tools, or obvious exploits.

Gil farmers were fun to MPK, before SE nerfed it .

10
In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?

DOMARUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

Internet memes aside, there are none that I am aware of.

[ske]

1
Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?

I never ever consider the nationality of the player. There are nice and not so nice people from any part of the world, and there might even be a reason for behaviour like that from time to time. I will get annoyed, but stuff like that happens. Depending on context I may make a mental note of the pt leader.

2
I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?

I haven't seen a list, sounds pretty obnoxious to me... But I'm not one to ask people I don't know for help in any situation. I like to be able to repay the favor, I'll help and be helped by friends.

3
I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

Mostly filling an open spot. If I want X job in my pt, I'd ask whoever's seeking. I don't worry much about nationality for XP pt, although I'd prefer someone who I can communicate with for events. I've seen good and bad players from all corners of the world.

4
Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.

[JP only] and [English, no thanks] are very rude comments that I can't help but take personally. There's a fine line between being shy and coming across as arrogant.

5
Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.

Now, I'm not NA.. but I think that's the idea. I see a lot of poor use of the auto-translator though, and I get the idea that you'd get very few or no JP responses anyway... so franlky I think it's pointless, especially if you don't put a lot of thought into the auto translated message.

6
I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?

I don't know why anybody would play a game if they claim to hate over half the playerbase. That being said, i don't see FFXI as a purely JP game either.

7
A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?

Again, I'm not NA so I don't know. I do see quite a few old players rejoining FFXI... often after getting bored with WoW.

8
In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?

I guess "No-lifers" would be the negative word... "Hardcore" is more commonly used. If people like to put people down in public for playing a lot, I feel that the person complaining has more to worry about than the "hardcore" player.

9
Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?

I think we all loathe RMT, bots and gil farmers, they're a plague in-game. But no matter how much ridicule they must endure, if there's money to be made someone WILL be there to make it.

10
In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?

I guess there are some EU/NA players with subligar fetishes out there too.. it's certainly the most notorious piece of equipment in FFXI.