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  1. #301
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer the Pointy View Post
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    Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?
    Yes. There are many people here in the NA community that are very rude, and do not play well with others. I believe this is why they have the {/blist} feature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer the Pointy View Post
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    I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?
    I have never seen such a list. Although if you have been playing along time you know who the useful Japanese players are, that are willing to help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer the Pointy View Post
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    I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?
    I wouldn't say NA players go out of their way to invite JP players to party. Its just that sometimes that is all that is available at the time. NA players play time varies a great deal, sometimes we play right into JP time when there are only a few NA players left on.

    There are many benefits to inviting a JP player. They almost always know how to play their job well. They do not go afk for long periods of time. If you are looking for that 6th member all the only person seeking is JP with "JP Only" in their {/seacom} your JP party member can help you invite them.

    The only drawback I can see to inviting a JP player would be the language barrier. However most JP players I encounter now know at least a little english, or can use the {Auto-translate} function, which makes that drawback almost non-exsistant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer the Pointy View Post
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    Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.
    If they did I prolly could not understand them. The only action I disagree with would be the "JP Onry" tag in your {/seacom}. I can understand that most NA players party diffrently that most of the JP players. However a skilled player is a skilled player, and while not all NA players are skilled, I still think you should give some higher level ones a chance. There is nothing like exp chain 200+ at bird camp.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer the Pointy View Post
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    Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.
    Yes. When using the {Auto-translate} function in {/shout} I am trying to recruit NA/JP. If I was only wanting NA I would only type in english, like many JP players only {/shout} for activities in japanese. However some NA players are lazy and do not like to type out eveything in english so they use the {Auto-translate} function as a way to type faster.

    If you see us {/shout} please respond if you are intrested ^^, most people would be happy to get help, as I am sure you have seen the same person {/shout} in Whitegate for the same event for 5+ hours becuase they are unable to find any.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer the Pointy View Post
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    I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?
    I do not hate Japanese people, im actually quite fond of them. I love the culture, the food, and the women! And I play for the same reason you play. Becuase I enjoy the series, becuase I am a Final Fantasy fanboy, becuase other MMO's just don't do it for me. I play because it is fun and I still enjoy playing even after all this time. Just becuase a game is Japanese or English will not stop people from playing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer the Pointy View Post
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    A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?
    My friend just started a brand new account 3 days ago. There are still NA players starting although we are seeing less and less. Its all a matter of having friends to play with IMO. If you start this game with no knowledge or friends to help you out at this point, 95% would quit becuase it would take to long to get anything done. However if you have friends to help you with leveling, quests, missions, and farming then the game becomes alot more enjoyable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer the Pointy View Post
    In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?
    Loser would be a good one lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer the Pointy View Post
    Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?
    I hate RMT. you hate RMT. we all hate RMT.


    10
    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer the Pointy View Post
    In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?
    I know quite a few NA female players who are huge subligar fans. I can only thing of 1 NA male player who is a fan. Everyone else seems to have a distaste for Subligar though.

    I have been kicked from a party many years ago because I was wearing subligar. The PT leader didnt like the way they looked and asked me to "put some pants on" I respond that the subligar was all I had so he kicked me ; ;.

    Honistly I like subligar mainly becuase it gets a rise out of people and I like to look sexy in my iron underwear

  2. #302
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    I see this all the time, and it is really annoying. Those people build a reputation and I do my best to avoid them and keep them out of my LS. This is one reason I generally don’t accept server transfers into my LS.

    2
    I have never heard of this, but the first person to help me in FF was Japanese, and I still remember her to this day and am grateful. I sent her flowers and chocolate on Valentine’s Day as a thank you, but she returned a Gigant Squid and Ice Cream cone. I guess she got the wrong idea lol.

    3
    I don’t care where someone is from, if they are looking for group I will ask them if they would like to team up regardless of nationality/language. That being said, I do like to party with Japanese players as they generally stay for a few hours, are generally polite and I have yet to have one act like a retard as opposed to some of the American/European kids I’ve had the displeasure of partying with.

    4
    Yes, there are some Japanese players who hate all non-Japanese players and run around with /seacom of {English}{death}, etc. and others who refuse to party with non-Japanese players and are rude when they tell you. Similar to how Japanese do not like /check, I do not like {English}{No thanks} as it gives the perception you just don’t like English speakers , rather {I’m Sorry}{I don’t speak any English} leaves me thinking you would like to party with people who speak your language.

    5
    Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that My Japanese is limited to Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening, thank you, and congratulations. When I use the auto-translator, it is to try to help you understand what I am trying to say. While it is a poor and limited implementation, I believe the autotranslator is intended to help us understand each other and that is how I employ it.

    6
    I visited Tokyo last year and generally found the Japanese people to be very courteous and kind - I would like to visit again in the future. I have seen people shout bad things about Japanese people in game, but I have also seen Japanese Nationalists shout to force all of the non-Japanese people out of Japan. The point is there are always some people everywhere who hate, regardless of whether they are Japanese or English or otherwise. Please understand that they do not represent all of us, just as I understand that just because the Japanese Nationalists hate all foreigners does not mean that all Japanese hate foreigners.

    Here is a picture I took of them when I was in Tokyo if you want to crop/rehost it and attach it to the question. It’s the black bus with the guys with megaphones on top.

    http://fodder.ultimals.com/Tokyo/Jap...tionalists.JPG

    7
    There are some. There are many who quit a long time ago or had their accounts stolen by RMT and had to start over.

    8
    I call them college students lol. There are many jokes about players with no real life.

    9
    There is a lot of enmity for RMT since they ruin aspects of the game. I wish we could still MPK them… Most other MMOs have user interfaces that allow *useful* radars, recast timers, etc. I wish FF had these and am ok with third party tools that show them. I do not like third party tools that claim or fish or cheat to make gil/get items.

    10
    Haha - you must have missed the Adaman Hauberk color question. Some English players are subligar fans, but I fear Elvaan men in subligars.

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    If the banana can fit in your bento it is lunch, otherwise it is a snack!

  3. #303
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    Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?


    I've had several people from my own country and others invite me and kick me out for a friend that just came back or things like that. It bothers me, because it's supremely disrespectful, but this seems to be an attitude that only a few people have and the rest of us just have to continue acting to our own standards and learn not to associate with people who don't respect us.

    2
    I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?


    We have, if not a specific list, an understanding of who these people are. Server to server there's a known population that are considered to be above the norm in kindness and helpful tendancy who people will point to and say "This is the person you should speak to" if there's a need.


    3
    I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?


    A lot of the time, within my circle of friends, inviting a JP person is a matter of need not preference. Example: a healer is needed, the only healer seeking is JP. We (speaking of my own friends) have nothing against inviting JP but we've come to learn that they prefer not to party with us (and we understand, it's an issue of the party being not fun with no one to talk to) so we try to refrain from asking them to suffer it unless we don't have another option. On the other hand, almost all the JP players I have partied with have done if not above average then average at least and they are an asset like any other good player would be. The major drawback though is the time difference issue and the communication barrier. Auto-translate can only do so much and many of us feel foolish using it because according to all information on the system it's a very oversimplified statement system that might come accross like we are 4 year old children asking {Please check it} {Monster} and other broken terms.

    4
    Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.


    Once, long long ago, a party of JP that had picked me up on my blackmage for their all JP party called me {Too Weak} {Elvaan} {Blackmage} and it really hurt my feelings because, I couldn't understand all the things they were asking me do to, and it was my first job that high in level. They made me feel like my best effort wasn't good enough, but I got over it in time, realizing they were probably just frustrated with me.


    5
    Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.


    Actually, we've been "trained" by reading so many accounts of JP and other players considering us rude for NOT using the Auto Translate for everything that I think some people now would rather error on the side of caution and use it for everything - just so we aren't percieved to be uncaring about the player who we may or may not know what lanugage they speak.


    6
    I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?


    I think that's just a general feeling of disenfranchisement (sp) manifesting in a dislike of the people we can't defend ourselves to. If all JP people think we are all rude, but not all of us are, we can't defend ourselves to say we aren't rude, or we aren't trying to be rude, and we feel lumped into the mix of people who we have nothing to do with maybe. The reaction to that is a misguided hatred of those we percieve to be against us from the start already. I think it's foolish personally. I enjoy so many things from Japan and so many video games particularly that I could never say such a thing.


    7
    A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?


    Yes actually there are a few threads on the NA boards for servers every passing week about new people coming in or old players re-joining to start anew. Problem is, most of these players only join for a short time, because the game playerbase has "moved past them" and they fail to make a connection to the community in their short time with us.


    8
    In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?


    We use the word Elitist (sp?) for them, in a negative way - though the word can be viewed positively. Other words we use for them are profane curse words and sometimes we just shake our heads sadly and call them nothing, because nothing we could call them would make them change their ways.


    9
    Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?


    Personally, I would never engage or condone the use of RMT or third party cheats - because they aren't tools they're cheats to me - and in my LS such a thing would be a reason to /breakpearl. However, there is some acceptance of such practices amont the "hai jin" as you call them above, because they are disconnected from reality and don't see the game as something to play but something to win. Many NA players I'm sure have fallen to temptation maybe once or twice, but most NA players I know regret strongly having been tempted and don't continue to use RMT services after.


    10
    In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?


    Most of the NA I know dislike subligars the most of all gear, because it looks like panties and the male players particularly don't seem to want to be seen in them. I love the event items, the town gear, the Yukata especially - I love the little folds in the jacket and the belting with the beautiful belled out sleeves, it makes me feel very Eastern and I imagine my charecter is very comfortable in it.

  4. #304
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    Bad players and bad people come from every nation. I remember only the best and the worst. The best are invited to future events. The worst are avoided for some time but usually forgotten eventually. The very worst are remembered forever.


    2
    I have never heard of such a list.


    3
    I gladly invite players of any language for experience points. The communication required for an experience party is minimal and the auto-translate function is sufficient for that. Most players also have linkshells if they want to chat in their own language. However, if I invite one Japanese member, I try to invite at least two.


    4
    "JP ONLY" search comment is insulting. It says no matter how good my equipment and skill and focus, I am not good enough to play with this person, unless I am Bard. I refuse invites from "JP ONLY" people, because I will not play with racism. Often Japanese players will not respond to NA invitations, even using auto-translate. A simple "No, thanks" is much less rude than completely ignoring a person.


    5
    If I'm using Auto-Translate, anyone who can read it is welcome to join. The limited abilities of the Auto-Translate function are an impediment, but I'll try hard to piece together phrases for non-English members.


    6
    Some people hate without reason. Others have experienced rejection and mistreatment from Japanese players of Final Fantasy that an attitude of hate, resentment, mistrust extends to the entire Japanese population. But the game is no longer a Japanese game, only a game containing many Japanese.


    7
    There are few new players and the few do not stay long. Most who start now are recovering from character theft.


    9
    There is strong opposition to RMT farmers and buyers. These people are shunned and harrassed by many. Windower and all its plugins are accepted as harmless user interface adjustments. Claim bots, fishing bots, and the like are not considered acceptable by any respectable linkshell, and the linkshells that do use those are hated.


    10
    A few people dress to be noticed. Subligar is the most effective way for these people to gain attention.



    If the banana is ringing, it is neither lunch nor dessert.

  5. #305
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    1. Yes, all the time. A lot of NA people have grudges against other NA players. Probably more so than NA having grudges against JP.

    2. If there is, I haven't seen it. Although there are a few JP who have been really helpful in the past on Phoenix. Thanks!

    3. Benefits: Filling your party with a job you really need instead of getting a job you really don't need just because they speak English. The only real drawback is the communication barrier. Also, it might not be as fun for the JP if they're in a party full of English speakers.

    4. Lots of times. About a month ago I was mining in Halvung, and some JP just started sending me hate tells. {English}{Leave} etc. I'd never seen the guy before. I think he was just mad I was mining in the same area as him. He even called me RMT. There was also a JP who stole a King Behemoth from us at 3% then said, {English}{Pond}{Over there}. I don't know what that means. The majority of JP players are nice though.

    5. Normally if people are using Auto-Translate, they are looking for anyone who wants to join. Japanese, French, German, etc. all included. Sometimes it's fun to do stuff with a group of people who don't speak your countries language, but you all speak FFXI language.

    6. Whomever said that is a douchebag. Just blacklist them. Personally, I don't hate any group of people, only specific people who have wronged me.

    7. I think so. There's always new people applying for Dynamis and HNMLS linkshells.

    8. Nerds. But only the e-thugs make fun of people for having lots of level 75 jobs. Some people just level more than other people. A lot of people accuse them of just living in their parents basement and not contributing to society.

    9. Everyone hates RMT. Except the people who took mommy and daddies credit card. The majority of non-JP HNMLS hate when there's botting too.
    A couple LS I know of force their members to bot, but the majority of the LSes will kick you if they find out you're cheating.

    10. Yes! There are 2 members in my HNMLS alone that LOVE to wear Vir and Femina subligars.

    11. The banana is part of the lunch. It tastes really good, but it isn't really a snack.

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    1. I've had various situations just like this myself, particularly on summoner. It irks me when I am halfway across Vana'diel, and someone invites me, and all seems well until I take two steps into [exp camp], and party breaks. Sometimes they don't apologize.

    4. As someone said, the "JP Only" party comments are kind of hurtful, but it is understandable that you would like to party with people your own language...

    7. I'm sure new players are joining, just not in massive numbers.

    8. High level person with prejudice and contempt... "Elitist Douchebag". Simply put.

    9. The linkshells I have taken part in are against botting / RMT, but it becomes more and more difficult over time to deal. Detest RMT, they annoy me and mostly ruin NM camps.

    10. I enjoy Red Mage AF, and Scholar AF as a whole, it's very well done. Other than that, no subligar...maybe Prishe's outfit.

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    1) There are rude people in any country, but I usually don't care about them. In the few cases I could not stand them anymore I leave the party/event/whatever, apologizing with all other players and blacklisting the offender.

    2) I don't think something like that exists

    3) I don't care about nationality: we are on the same servers and (possibly) aiming to the same goals, why not cooperate?

    4) No (or if it happened I could not understand them), and I have been in many 5/6 Japanese parties. What I find disagreeable about Japanese players is that they identify all foreigners as NA.

    5) When I shout for something I want to target anybody that may need/help with/interested in whatever I'm shouting about.

    6) As per answer #1, sad but there are retards in every country.

    7) A few, many are discouraged by the steep curve, but some keep playing.

    8) Same here, or "no-lifers".

    9) I hate gilsellers/buyers alike and botters/cheaters. If I happen to know they are in my linkshell I leave.

    10) Nooooooooooo, not subligars (at least on male characters)!!!! I think here is Mithra RSE and Opaline dress, oh and swimsuits!

    Bonus) Banana is with the lunch!

  8. #308
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    I haven't played for a year, so maybe I'm not qualified to answer anymore

    But I'll answer anyways.

    1: Plenty of people from my own country do bad things to me. Whether or not I hold a grudge depends on the nature of the offense and the mood I happen to be in that day. The few years that I played FFXI, I never kept a single person on my blacklist, so I guess it's safe to say that in general, I didn't hold grudges for those who did something bad.

    2: I've personally never heard of such a list, but within my linkshell we always knew which Japanese people were willing to help us. We formed friendships with them and our LS would always help their LS whenever and however we could and vice versa.

    3: In my opinion, there aren't many benefits or drawbacks. I look at JP players the same way I look at NA players. They aren't more or less useful in a party.


    4: The only thing the Japanese players do that seemed disagreeable to me is their discrimination against NA. I treat Japanese players just as I treat NA players as and I feel that Japanese players should reciprocate that attitude.Saying "JP only" or "{English}{No thanks} is "hurting" and "insulting" me.

    5:I use auto-translate exclusively when recruiting for that very reason; because I'm targeting all players, not just players of my own language. So yes, I am targeting Japanese players as well.

    6: If someone says that to you, blist them or ignore them. "I hate Japanese people" is not the general attitude of NA players. I have a strong distaste for ignorant people who would make such a statement about your (or any other) race/culture.

    You're right, if someone hates japanese people, they shouldn't play, I agree.

    But with that said, I can't recall ever hearing someone say that.

    7: Pass. I quit a year ago, can't answer.

    8: Pass.

    9: For the most part, NAs have a very strong dislike for those who participate in these activities. Friends don't let friends buy gil. In terms of botting, I disliked it, but I always had that "ignorance is bliss" attitude towards it, which is really just a cop out so that I don't have to deal with the issue. "If you're a friend of mine or in my LS and you have a bot, don't tell me".

    10: Subligars should be female only. But I have to admit, I was extremely sexy in mine, don't you agree?

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    3: I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

    Benefits: Understanding of game mechanics is usually there with JP players. Follow directions.

    Drawbacks: Too conservative of a play-style.

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    Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?
    I've had friends do this, but I never felt that it was purposeful. If I held a grudge, it wasn't for too long because it's a very silly thing for me to be angry about.

    2
    I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?
    I've never heard of this, it could be a rumor. Usually through non-anonymous boards you learn who can be helpful and who isn't based on their forum record.

    3
    I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?
    I would invite an English speaking person over a Japanese speaking person strictly for communication ONLY if the opportunity arises. However, sometimes I really want to get a party formed and I'll take anyone as long as the setup works for our level.

    4
    Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.
    I have sensed when a JP might have gotten angry at me, but since I can't read Japanese, I just don't know. There have been times when they've been very kind to me however (using broken English and Auto-Translate to Congratulate me or let me know I did a good job, etc). That really makes me happy. I still remember my first JP party when they complimented me on my job as a Dragoon ;x

    5
    Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.
    Most of the time it's a lot easier to type out part of a word and hit the TAB key to finish that word off in Auto-Translate (For many areas this becomes especially useful such as Sauromague Champaigne or Konstacht Highlands, etc). I would also like to get as much help as needed, but a lot of missions require a lot of teamwork and communication. I would find it too difficult if me or a Japanese player can't coordinate our plans because we can't understand each other outside of Auto-Translate or basic phrases.

    6
    I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?
    It seems very hypocritical in that view point to hate a culture but love the culture's game. I don't think I can answer this question though because I don't hate Japanese people =P

    7
    A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?
    I think there might be a small flow of new players from other countries still joining, but with many newer MMOs coming out, I don't think this stream of new players will continue. I would definitely invite a friend to play with me now, but I don't know how long he'd want to keep playing.

    8
    In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?
    Losers, no-lifers

    9
    Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?
    I personally opose 3rd Party tools such as claimbots. I know that NAs really dont care about claimbotting anymore, but when I know a friend or LS member uses one, my opinion about them decreases.

    I am VERY opposed to RMT, both gil farmers and gil buyers. RMT is the reason the economy looks like a large rollercoaster over the past few years as well.

    10
    In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?
    I like to wear subligar on my Monk because I know all my friends hate it when I do. I'm not sure if there's a piece of equipment that's really popular. I like to wear Goliard Cuffs/Clogs with Crimson Body/Cuisses with my Duelist's Chapeau because it makes me look like a Pimp. >.>;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer the Pointy View Post
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    Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?
    I have had a few bad things happen to me from NA players, same with JP players, but I can't recall holding a grudge. For me personally it's the player, not where he is from, that I look at. All assholes are equal in my eyes. But really, it's just a game so theres little you can do, and little use to take everything personally.

    2
    I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?
    I don't know of any such list, but in my LS we often talk about a few really good JP players we have grouped with, and I tend to remember their names in case I see them looking for a PT, I tend to invite them first.

    3
    I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?
    When I first started playing back in 2004 JP players were often revered as the best players of the game, and if you found yourself in a JP party you were almost guaranteed an awesome time. Where I personally don't go out of my way to invite a JP, I would never invite an NA player over a JP player on that principal alone. With Aut-Translate and simple English I've never had much of a problem communicating with anyone in something like a normal PT.

    4
    Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.
    I can't think of any malicious action of a JP player, often I get a lot of "w" and "Hage" because I'm a bald Hume, but I think thats all in jest. I do appreciate the <| Impossible to Gauge |> from many JPs I group with, and am happy they think so. The only disagreeable actions I've ever dealt with was one time, many years ago, being kicked without warning for another JP player. It was quite rude, but an isolated incident.

    5
    Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.
    Using Auto-Translate 90% of the time is just a quicker way to make concise points about areas or events. And generally when something is out in auto-translate it means the event is open for all players to come along if they like. I have taken many JP players along on missions and assaults thanks to this, and won.

    6
    I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?
    Some people are assholes.

    7
    A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?
    I personally started in 2004/5, but quit for nearly four years, you may say I'm a new subscriber since I left far below level cap originally.

    8
    In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?
    Poopsocks!

    9
    Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?
    Death to RMT! And I can't play this game without windower. . .

    10
    In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?
    I hear a Domaru is a fine, fine piece of equipment. . .

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    1 - Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?
    Yes, some people in my country (just like in any other country) are not very nice. Whether or not I hold a grudge depends on the nature of the offense. For me to hold a grudge, it has to be a repeat offense or a single offense of a particularly heinous nature.


    2 - I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?
    I have never seen such a list nor have I ever even heard of one.


    3 - I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?
    In my personal experience, Japanese players almost always have a positive attitude. Even though communication may be a little more difficult, it is still a lot of fun. It is a rewarding accomplishment when I am able to successfully communicate with another player that doesn't speak English.

    4 - Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.
    I have never felt personally insulted by a Japanese player. A person I knew was called [Diseased] NA once, though. I haven't found any actions I find disagreeable, though I am not very familiar with Japanese culture.

    5 - Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.
    Sometimes when the auto-translate function is used, it means that players of all backgrounds are welcome. Sometimes it is just being lazy. Typing Dyna - Tab key - Enter key is a lot quicker than typing out Dynamis - Bastok.

    6 - I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?
    Any one foreign player does not express ideals, thoughts, or opinions for all other foreign players. I do not know anyone who has said something like that, so I cannot explain why that player feel that way.

    7 - A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?
    Yes, but not as many as in previous years.

    8 - In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?
    I don't know that there is any one particular term used to describe those type of players, though it is common for other players to comment negatively on that person's extreme dedication to a game.

    9 - Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?
    I do not know anyone who supports RMT. Some NA players make it a point to look for suspicious activities and GM or MPK those players they suspect of RMT. If a member of my linkshell admitted to buying or selling gil, they would be instantly removed. It is difficult to prove without that player admiting it, though. Windower is widely accepted and used, though there are some NA players that have an intense distaste for Windower and any of its plugins. Programs for botting or flee hacking would also get you removed from my linkshell immediately, though some players now consider botting to be non-offensive as they believe that everyone else is doing it.

    10 - In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?
    This question made me laugh. There are some people who like subligar here, too. In my opinion, Galka, Elvaan males, and Hume males should not be allowed to equip subligar. Their bare legs hurt my eyes.

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    1. Every single day, I get used to it. I don't hold long term grudges unless the offense is something really bad, in those cases I tend to avoid the said person and ignore them for as long as I can remember to. For minor offences the person goes on a temporary list i keep in my head and I just avoid them for a few days so whatever happened fades for both of us.

    2. Most server specific forums I know of have lists of either good or bad players, nothing specific to Japanese players though. The lists are mostly people bragging about their friends or ranting about someone that got them angry. The closest thing to a definite list of helpful players was a list of helpful high level crafters I saw somewhere, but I haven't seen it in a while.

    3. The only time I ever care about what language a person speaks is when I send an invite, and that is just because if I'm sending an invite to a japanese player I have to be more prepared with auto translate phrases for anything that might come up with what they need to do or where they need to go. Aside from that as long as someone can play their job I could care less if they speak English, Japanese, or Klingon.

    If anything I might at times prefer a Japanese players in my partys because I really don't like making small talk between kills. When you invite a NA player you always end up hearing about their school work, their girlfriend, what music they'r elistening to and on and on. When I invite a Japanese person I know they won't be talking to me and anything they do say in Japanese I won't understand, so its win win.

    4. I've never had a japanese person do something to me on purpose, but there are some things that can get annoying over time. In NA parties when a group is getting close to a planned ending the leader will give notices for the last 30 minutes, 15 minutes, last chain etc usually using the auto translate.

    Whenever I get invited to a Japanese party however the one thing I always know will happen is the group will end suddenly without any warning, at least not any warning someone could understand who doesn't speak japanese. It's just a bit annoying when you're thinking how great a party is going and how the exp is flowing in and then people start warping out and saying goodbye.

    5. Although using the auto translate does allow people to grab players who don't speak English there is mainly one large reason I believe English players strive to make their shouts entirely in auto translated text, and thats because it's easier to tab-write stuff than it is to write it all out. It also removes the person from what they're typing, I know I'm fairly shy about shouting for things but if I use the auto translate it's more like the system shouting for me than shouting out myself.

    6. People who say things like that don't usually have enough brain cells to realize what they are saying. You can put these people in the same group which calls for the end of support for the PS2 without realizing that it is a PS2 game.

    7. You see a lot of "new" players showing up in forums asking for help, but as far as "new" players showing up I think the majority of them are people with lost or deleted accounts who quit long ago restarting with a new character. Every now and then I do run into an actual new person in the starter towns, usually they are the ones who find me and have questions about how the game works, but that is fairlly rare for me at least.

    8. This is a pretty embarassing question for me.

    Years back a guy I knew in my social LS was helping me join his old JP/NA HNMLS. He got me in by telling the Japanese leaders that I was a Haijin, because I did almost nothing but play the game. At the time he just told me it was a term for hardcore players and I took it as a compliment. Although I do not have a real life outside the game I never knew Haijin was more or less a negative term.

    9. If you ask just about anyone if they think RMT is bad they will say yes, but statistically some of those people are lying to cover up the fact that they buy gil. Since you can't mpk rmt anymore the only thing left to do is send in GM reports and smile a bit when the task force releases a report.

    As far as third party tools go this also depends on who and how you ask. If you're in a HNMLS people will always complain about other groups botting, but will look the other way if a few of their own people bot or use tools. With the windower program 3rd party tools are just too easy to get your hands on.

    10. You will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. ever, ever catch me wearing a subligar. You could put the best stats in the world on it and hand it out for free, but as long as it looks like i'm running around in a diaper I think i'll pass.

    Now are snacks eaten at the same time as a lunch? When I was in elementry school we had snack time and lunch time. There wasn't a limit to what you could bring for a snack, the delimiting factor was when you ate it. Late morning for snack and after noon for lunch.

    Now if this is a snack eaten with your lunch I would have to say it depends on how the bananna is presented/packaged. Are we talking necessarilly about a whole bannana or could this include a sliced bannana? In either case if the bannana is packaged in with the bento I would say it counts toward the lunch, but if it is packaged seperately I would count it as a snack.

    So I guess what I am saying is if you really want to have your bannana and all your snacks as well either cut it up beforehand and put it in the bento or cram it in there whole. The delimiting factor here really seems to be that items within the bento count as lunch while snacks seem to be counted from outside.

    Then again you could get around the whole thing by growing your own bannans. I mean even if it was decided that Banannas counted as a snack you would have gotten it for free and could bring all the Banannas you wanted. Unless there was some outside ruling that all Banannas had a set price no matter what you paid for it.

    Now if you can fit in additional comments it would be nice to let the Japanese know some of the small things that tend to tick them off are unintentional.

    Like the EFGJ? or whatever language choices for when you seek for a party. I think for all other game versions this menu actually asks you what language you speek, but for the English version it asks you what your "prefered" language is for a party. I was suprised by the japanese answers thats some were disgusted by english only speakers having the J selected, I always thought I was being open minded to taking invites from anyone.

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    I think all the answers have pretty much been completely covered already, so I'll just comment on something I found interesting from the other thread:

    This is just my opinion…
    Most of Japanese adapt themselves to mass, even if they are not happy to do so,
    and consider it as a virtue.
    It is really important for them not to make somebody unpleasant.
    So… Japanese are easy to miss to make themselves happy.
    They have very poor means for self-assertiveness.
    And, they hate who doesn’t adopt oneself to mass.
    Japanese loves “One for all” but hates “All for one(me)”
    Most of NAs are very self-assertive.
    May be, they think JP are also self-assertive same as them,
    and may believe JP can say “No” if they don’t want.
    But most of Japanese feels it is an offense to say “No” without specific(physical) reason.
    They feel it is selfish behavior to say “I don’t like to do it”.
    It is one of the reason that they are stressed when they got tell from NA.
    They worry to be demanded.
    I see a lot of people throwing around 'cultural differences' as a reason for the miscommunication, and it looks like this guy went out of his way to provide specific insight on just exactly what those differences are. I thought I would just ellaborate and expand on it and perhaps offer another point of view.

    First off, I'm also just speaking for myself, so this may not accurately reflect what the rest of the community feels. However, the one thing that he said that stood out to me was:

    "And, they hate who doesn’t adopt oneself to mass.
    Japanese loves “One for all” but hates “All for one(me)”
    Most of NAs are very self-assertive.
    May be, they think JP are also self-assertive same as them, "

    So, conformity is taken much more seriously in Japan than it is in NA. He states that, perhaps North American players assume that Japanese players are just like them. With that line of logic, I don't feel it's too off base to assume the same of JP players. What do I mean?

    Maybe they assume the same universal conformity in the NA players; when they have a couple bad experiences, it's not too farfetched to assume that this is the mindset of the rest of the playerbase. This comes off as racism and prejudice here, but maybe not to the JP. It all comes down to the cultural differences. The reason why there is no "One for all" mentality for the NA players in my opinion, is because the diversity. There are so many different races here, and I think sometimes the JP forget this--Heck, sometimes NA people forget this, lol.




    As for the Bonus Question:

    Perhaps you could include half a banana for snack, and half for lunch

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    Yes I have had bad experiences with NA and JP players. Language barrier or not People will always act poorly. I would not go out of my way to make a rude person suffer so I would say I do not hold a grudge most of the time.


    2
    I have never heard of such a list.


    3
    There is a *stigma* (might be wrong word) that JP players tend to be overall better players then NA players. While this may have been true in the past I often find JP and NA players to be about equally skilled in the present form of the game.


    4
    I have never had a major issue with JP players. Some may not play especially well. I dont think there is anything uniquely Japanese that bothers me. just general poor play bothers me but that can be found in any culture.


    5
    I think many activities do not require a large ammount of knowledge. Such as an O-hat run where even without perfect communication it is able to do well. I like to keep things open to JP players if they wish to join or help out. We're all in this together and I generally try to work with JP players if they want to help


    6
    I dont feel this is a consensus accross the servers or the playebase. I love Final Fantasy and I love being able to interact with others. If someone has poor social skills or is prejudiced it is not the feelings of the entire group.



    7
    There is a small ammount. SE has recently began pushing this game. I have seen ads in magazines and in stores. There is still growth but not nearly as much as there used to be or that I want to be honest.



    8
    It depends people who have amazing gear and job levels are seen as skilled. However if they are a jerk about it we tend to call them elitist. Meaning they think they are better then others.

    9
    We dislike RMT just as much as JP players do. Third-Party tools are another story. Windower and .dat mods are commonplace among many NA PC users. While windower and .dat mods I would not report a friend. If it is a cheating tool (like a pos hack or botting) I generally let that player know I dont have respect for them. I left a Linkshell due to this before.



    10
    Here we see subligers as a joke and fun to mess around with friends with however there is a general disdain for the look on male characters by the not so goofy players. I personally do not mind them on players its all just gear to me.

    Bonus:A banana is totally a snack. Its a grab and go food. I dont see a banana is really part of any meal but rather for in between meals. eg: a snack

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    Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?
    Yup other linkshells do stuff like this all the time. As for your example I use to mind, but it will happen. Also I would like to say I have had this happen in “JP” pts as well. It is not just limited to “EN” pts

    2
    I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?


    I do not know of any; however I do sometimes keep my own list of people that helped me and will offer them help anytime they need it.

    3
    I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?
    I have stopped inviting “JP” players mostly because of how rude they are to me, I know it is not all of them however when you get a answer of “JP party only” it hurts. I only invite the ones on my friends list and ones that my linkshell gives me the OK on.
    4
    Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.
    Yes. Seeing someone tell me “JP only” insults me a lot. I think a little more effort to work together is needed. Why not ask for the Party set up before saying no?

    5
    Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.
    With me this is a big yes, when I shout I look for anyone. I try not to limit myself to just EN people. I like playing with JP players just as much. Most of our stuff is done the same way it’s worth a try!

    6
    I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?
    I by no means hate Japanese people. I have said “I hate Japanese people” before mostly when I get the “JP only” /tell. Do not take it the wrong way, it almost always is just frustration that someone wants to do the same thing you do, but because you are not just like them they don’t want to.

    7
    A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?
    I see new ones all the time. Just a few days back I was outside windy doing WM 9-1, when I saw 3-4 new people right outside. When I see new people I try and talk with them and tell them they can ask me anything they like. I try to make them welcome. JP, EN or any other. i think that this new lvl cap thing might help out more! i am very happy to see i can lvl in low lvls again.

    8
    In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?
    We just say they have no life… but then again that is thrown around a lot on our forums. You have one item someone else don’t have and you must not have a life (you can chop the last part off if you like its extra info)

    9
    Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?
    We EN players hate RMT just as much as you guys do! Trust me! If I knew a friend using third party tools id tell them to stop. And if I did find out again I would talk with their linkshell leader about it. And final step call SE if that did not work. Gil farmers GO TO HELL.

    10
    In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?
    Fans of subligar….? Omg no! take that off it burns my eyes! Some players use it as a joke… that’s it lol
    bonus question:
    that’s part of lunch! Junk food is something that is bad for you ; ; I would be mad if I was told I could not bring a banana

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    Yes, I've had people from EVERY country be rude to me. Spaniards, Chinese, a few Japanese who didn't realize how much of their language I speak. It's just easier for someone who speaks your language to be obviously rude.
    As for grudges - It depends on the person, and how rude they were. I don't hold a grudge for disbanding parties: I hold a grudge against people who d/c without explanation, or warp and go back to seeking as soon as they see our camp, or, and this is the big one, are incompetent assholes. I keep a list of 3-4 players who I will never party with, all because of the last one.


    2
    My LS does, but half of us are Saudis, Canucks, and folks from Hong Kong or Hawai'i. A lot of us play at the beginning or end of JP primetime, and it's just a matter of survival.


    3
    Benefits: Japanese players in a party spam less, in my experience - even in the Japanese parties I've been in. There's no expectation that the Party must go on forever, but the limits you set at the beginning with a JP player are pretty much ironclad.

    Drawbacks: The biggest drawback is the language barrier. It's not possible to type in "real" Japanese in the NA client without 3rd party tools, and the GM's deal more harshly with trying to communicate with you in your own language than they do with cheaters. ¬_¬

    4
    Insulted? Occasionally. Hurt? not really.

    5
    See the above - I would love to have a {Japanese} player who's familiar with the assault along, but in a pick-up party, using 3rd-party tools so I can speak to you properly can get me banned, and auto-translate fails so very hard.

    6
    I don't see it as a Japanese game; merely made by Japanese people. If you play Lineage or Ragnarok, do you think of it as a Korean game? Should the players of any nationality get special bonuses because their countrymen made the game?

    7
    I see the red ? all the time on my server, especially on holidays.

    8
    Oh yeah. Several of them.

    9
    This is a loaded question for American players, there's a lot of hate in the air here.

    A member of my linkshell once engaged in obvious RMT, and admitted it. I broke his pearl, and every member of my LS reported him to the STFU. He is one of only four players I ever kicked. Two others were for blatant racism (one against Japanese, one against Saudis).

    3rd-party tools? Windower's fine, anything else isn't.

    RMT are scum.

    10
    Hehe, {Subligar}...
    We have a NA linkshell called {Subligar}{Nation}. There's also the {Scp. Harness} because of sideboob (love to see how you're gonna translate that, Elmer..). And then there's the DOOOOOOOOOOOMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARUUUUUUUUUUUUUU....

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    I have had this happen on several occasions but mainly from NA players. I have gotten invites and the party disbands shortly after my arrival. This this is due to a lack of communication with others within the party to find out how much time they have left to play. In the past, I didn't hold a grudge, just explained to the person inviting that it would be wise next time to see how long everyone has before inviting someone to replace them. Due to this, it has caused me to adjust my responses to invites. When I get an invite, I search to see if it is a party in existence, or a new one being formed. If it is a party that is already in existence, I tend to ask the person how long does everyone have before accepting.

    Summary: No grudge held, just explain in a nice way to ask how long everyone in the party has before getting a replacement. Because of this my tactics change and when I get an invite to a party in progress, I ask the person inviting how long everyone plans to stay.

    2
    Yes! We do have such a list, but there are some famous players who tend to put themselves before others and are really helpful to players new and old. Some have linkshells devoted to helping each other out as they make their way to 75. As players develop and grow, they leave the shell and go onto bigger things and new players come in to take their place.


    3
    A lot of times, NA players will try to invite Japanese players when there aren't any NA players seeking on the job that they need for a party.
    For me, if there is only one PLD or NIN seeking and he or she is Japanese, I do my best to use the auto translate to invite them and explain that the party is mainly english speaking. This is hit or miss because sometimes I get a reply, and sometimes I don't which can be very demoralizing. It is nice to get a response back, even if it is a simple <No Thanks!>


    4
    I can't recall a time a Japanese Player has done anything that hurt me. One thing that does bother a lot of NA players (And this has to do with question #6) is the JP ONLY in search comments. This frustrates a lot of NA players because it makes it seem that Japanese Players do not like to party with NA players at all, even though Japanese players would just like to party with people that speak their own language. For NA's that do not understand this, the term "JP ONLY" or "JP Party Only" tends to make them feel that NA's aren't good enough to play with.


    5
    NA players use auto-translate in order to target players of all languages. Most assaults are pretty self explanatory, and even the ones that require strategy, the auto translate function (though still not the best) can be used to communicate what the strategy is.


    6
    I don't think NA players hate Japanese Players. When seeking or trying to make parties and a healer or tank is needed, there are times where the only ones seeking on those jobs are Japanese. When the NA players look at their search comments and see JP ONLY or JP PT ONLY!, it upsets some NA players because they would like to party. Oftentimes, these parties will disband because they cannot find the job that they need.

    7
    There are a lot of NA players coming in that I see leveling with a ? next to their name. You can tell they are new because they do things that most of us who play know not to do (Level 1 fighting a higher level Yagudo and dying in 1 hit). It is fun to cheer them on and offer advice.


    8
    For NA players, we just say that they have no life. Granted there are some high level players who do hold jobs or go to school and can successfully balance both and get very far in the game. However, we do have those who play obsessively for 12 hours at a time or so. These players don't have jobs or other responsibilities. Sadly for these people the game is all they have.


    9
    NA's dislike RMT's I think just as much as any other player. As far as 3rd party tools, it is more of a "Don't Ask, don't tell". Many PC players use windower because they like to run many different applications like play music or look up maps or quest information while they play. Unfortunately you have players who use this function to run cheat programs that give them the edge over other players. But the main reason why most players use it is because the Windower Function provided by SE doesn't display colors correctly and looks too bright and off color compared to 3rd Party Windowers.


    10
    Subligars are popular with some NA players. The Subligars for the Brygid quest are very amusing!

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    1
    Have you ever had someone from your own country do something bad to you? For example, they invite you to replace someone, and when you get there, they just disband. Do you hold a grudge against the person who invited you in that case, or do you think “Oh well,” and just forget about it?

    Actually that happened many times to me and of course I was not happy at that person and hold a grudge. I stoped accepting replacement invites totally, I only accept now invites when the PT starts from fresh new.


    2
    I heard that on foreign boards there is a list of useful Japanese players that will help people out. Do you really have such a list?

    Huh? not that i know of.


    3
    I don’t go out of my way to invite NA players to my party, but NA players often invite Japanese players. What are the benefits and drawbacks of inviting a Japanese player to your party?

    Depends on the Japanese players, if he doesnt speak any english at all there is a communcation issue, where things get easy misunderstood. But usually I have no problems with Japanese players at all, they play good, but I also had some awfull Japanese players, its the same like with NAs. I dont however ever invite Japanes players with "JP only" PT in comment, they usually suck hardcore at playing this game.


    4
    Has there been a time when a Japanese player has hurt or insulted you? Also, what are some actions that are normal for us that you find disagreeable? I’m interested to know and would like to hear your thoughts.

    I was never insulted badly or so by any Japanese player, at least not that I know of, maybe the did talk about me in Japanese so I couldnt understand but I dont care about that. Hmmm.... Now that I think when I started the game and checked a Japanese player (was in 2004) he realy got mad at me and did say some bad thing in English to me, I didnt understand back then why, I just had started the game, now I understand tough.
    One action that bothered me early is the "JP only PT" comment in search, at first I realy was shocked and thought that many Japanese Players are racist until I understood that they mostly cant speak english very well or had bad experience with it. Now I just ignore that comment and dont look at it, but I usually dont respond to Japanese Player that ask me for PT when the have "JP only" comment on search or decline the PT invite.


    5
    Lots of NA players exclusively use Auto-Translate when recruiting for Assault and other activities. Does this mean that you are targeting Japanese players as well? I’m fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Missions and Assault, but I barely know any English, and worry if I should even send a tell.

    Shouts with Auto-Translate are for everyone, so yes if you feel like joining you can come and dont have to be worried about English, we allways find somehow a way to communicate the strategy so that everyone understands it, but yes it makes missions or BCNMs a bit more difficult, but thats np.
    I would however sometimes like to join Japaneese shouts for missions or BCNMs or events, but I dont understand Japaneese so I only see something like "Bhaflau Remnants" in Autotranslate and the rest in Japaneese letters and usually I am affraid to ask if it is possible to join, mostly because Japanese players dont respond much to invites on me, they do but not that much like NA players.


    6
    I’ve had a foreign player say to me, “I hate Japanese people.” But Final Fantasy is a Japanese game. If you hate us, why play?

    I dont hate Japanese players, I think mostly theese people that say that are mostly offended by the "JP only PT" comment.


    7
    A lot of time has passed since service began in Japan, and you barely see any new subscribers coming in. Are there new NA players still joining?

    Not much. Barely new starters here.


    8
    In Japan, players that play long periods of time, have many Lvl 75 jobs, possess tons of high-level equipment, and who are usually filled with prejudice and contempt are called 廃人 <[ ( hai jin ) " High Level person but disable from living real life " ]>. Is there a similar name you use for NA players who are like that?

    Nerd? Dont know if there is a specific word for that.


    9
    Is there opposition against the practice of RMT or the use of third party tools? What do you do if your friend or Linkshell uses them? How do you feel about RMT業者 (gyou sha) or gil farmers?

    I have practically given up on those things, because nothing happens mostly when you call a GM, so I live with it. I must say tough SE has done a very good job with the "Special Task Force".


    10
    In Japan, there are some people who are huge subligar fans. Are there any amongst foreign players, or is there another piece of equipment that is especially popular?[/QUOTE]

    There is also alot of subligar fans here, We have also opaline and bath suit dress fans over here. So yea ^^

  20. #320
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    I'm sure everyone has been invited to a party that disbands almost as soon as you arrive. Often I'll try to avoid that person in the future, but sometimes names are forgotten :/ I tend to remember the good players before the bad ones.


    2-
    There might have been a few years ago, but I doubt that it gets updated anymore if it's even still around.


    3-
    The language barrier is definitely a drawback. But, I feel the main reason for inviting a JP player is because the job is needed for the party to function.


    4-
    Does getting invited to a PT, then being told {I'm Sorry}JP ONLY and getting booted count?


    5-
    Using auto-translate indicates they welcome people from all versions of the game: French & German in addition to NA/JP. Those people using Auto-Translate might be using the french or german version of the game too!


    6-
    I know people who play FFXI from europe, north america, & south america as well as asia. The company that made it may be Japanese, but the game is international. Just my opinion.


    7-
    Probably, but I don't know of any.

    8-
    Nerds? Addicts? Idk.


    9-
    Not as much opposition as there used to be. My linkshell (which has JP/NA/EU members) has been notorious for using 3rd party tools for years. I would be a hippocrite to oppose it. I don't agree with the idea of RMT (that is, players using RL money to buy game money) but I don't hold anything against the people actually playing the gil farmer characters. Its a job for them, they are trying to feed their families.


    10-
    Rusty Subligar! A linkshell I used to belong to had a group of three Samurai + 1 ranger who ran around sky wearing that. I miss those guys.

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