NFL Week 1...It Begins

[Deejay]

Supposedly he was at a friends house hanging out.

I don't know, I think all the bitchassness aimed at Young is kind of gay. Typical niggas hating on the dude just because he made it doing things his own way.

McNabb went through the same thing at that point in his career, when people said he couldn't be a pocket passer. I kind of think Young just needs a system with playmakers around him considering that's what he did in Texas. Dumped it off to his RB or went down field to streaking WR's. He's never been the guy to pick you apart with his passing, he's just a guy who finds ways to move the chains. He'll never wow you with stats, but he'll wow you with wins because he's a 4th Quarter QB.

I think Eli is to Peyton the same way Young is to McNabb. The first won't wow you with their statistical abilities, but they'll find a way to win.

[Ksandra]

This year gonna be a sad year for football for me ;_; MY POOR BRADY ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

[Kyo]

This year gonna be a sad year for football for me ;_; MY POOR Merriman ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

Fixed.

[Tyche]

When the giants went to the superbowl, they won because Eli became amazingly efficient. He threw a lot of picks during the season, but it's the NFC and the playoffs aren't that difficult to make. To go on the road and win 3 playoff games, you have to be incredible, and Eli was. I've yet to see that out of Young. Plus, Eli is a very intelligent player, a pretty smart guy. I've not seen many QBs run the table and win a superbowl when complex defensive schemes completely boggle them. I can't remember the stat or the record, but against top complex defensive schemes, his (Young's) W:L ratio is something abysmal. I don't know if he just needs more time in the film room, or more time studying, but for right now, I don't think he has the mindset to be successful. Hell, he said in the off-season that he was thinking about retirement. I fashion him akin to Matt Lienart in a sense that maybe the NFL just isn't for him.

[Weltall]

If we would have drafted Cutler we would be in the Bowl this year

Vince Young spends his offseason going to LA and going to Texas (he went back to summer school this last semester). He needs to be spending his time moving his WR into his house, feeding them, and practicing DAILY.

At the end of the day, he is just unintelligent; he seemingly had no education all the way through college and it is showing in a professional league which requires intelligence at the QB position.

[Mizango]

This has never been more fitting..........

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18..._1999/edju.jpg


Edit: Except he has the throwing motion of a little girl.

Edit2: and couldn't hit the water if he fell out of a boat.

Reserved for Edit 3

[Deejay]

At the end of the day, he is just unintelligent; he seemingly had no education all the way through college and it is showing in a professional league which requires intelligence at the QB position.

Holy shit, this is football, not rocket science. I'm not trying to stick up for the guy, but if Vick can do it.... so can this guy. The dudes been playing his whole life, it's not the schemes that change, it's the players.

I'm not saying he doesn't need to study, but the pro game isn't some magical complex coding system that only geniuses can understand. Players still run the same routes, and defenses still play the same coverages. The only difference is the players are a shit load faster and can cover way more ground. It's not an intelligence issue. It never was.

Some of the best QB's are intelligent, and some of them are also dumb as fuck. Dan Marino scored like 2-3 points higher than Young on the wonderlik test and look where that got him.

[Doombard]

The Seahawks' top five wide receivers at the start of the season: Branch, Engram, Burleson, Taylor, Obomanu. 4 of those 5 are out. Branch might be back within a couple of weeks, Engram by mid-season.

Starting Seahawks' WR next week: Courtney Taylor & Jordan Kent. Starting TE: John Carlson. Combined NFL career catches before last week: 5.

Burleson was also their kick and punt returner. In the second half, Seneca Wallace (their back up QB) was returning punts.

Now paging Joe Horn to the blue-green courtesy phone.

Good news: 49ers and Rams at home the next two weeks. There is a good chance they can still win the next two divisional games and still be in position to compete for the division title. They play Arizona in Weeks 11 and 17, when Branch and Engram should both be back and healthy.

I still think the 49ers have a small chance. I'm a little biased though since i'm a 49ers fan. Which would make me a dick if they were winning.

[Deejay]

When the giants went to the superbowl, they won because Eli became amazingly efficient. He threw a lot of picks during the season, but it's the NFC and the playoffs aren't that difficult to make. To go on the road and win 3 playoff games, you have to be incredible, and Eli was. I've yet to see that out of Young. Plus, Eli is a very intelligent player, a pretty smart guy. I've not seen many QBs run the table and win a superbowl when complex defensive schemes completely boggle them. I can't remember the stat or the record, but against top complex defensive schemes, his (Young's) W:L ratio is something abysmal. I don't know if he just needs more time in the film room, or more time studying, but for right now, I don't think he has the mindset to be successful. Hell, he said in the off-season that he was thinking about retirement. I fashion him akin to Matt Lienart in a sense that maybe the NFL just isn't for him.

Eli won those games in the playoffs by playing within the system and not turning over the ball. He finally found his comfort zone in the pocket and finally took advantage of his WR's strengths. Plaxico is also one of the easiest WR's to hit as all you have to do is throw it in his vicinity and he'll catch it. Eli's a good QB when he manages the game instead of trying to be superman. We're just lucky that he realized it when he did. Again, I wouldn't attribute his success to his "smarts" and moreso his 'wiseness' for knowing when and when not to take a risk.

WOAMG EDIT: Eli's never been a QB to beat teams with his pinpoint precision or game-changing reads. He rarely audibles into pass plays and when he does it's almost always because Plaxico is in a 1on1 man situation. The Giants never blow teams out with high scoring offense. All Coughlin asks of Eli is 1-2 solid TD drives and relies on our Defense to keep it close. If we're up early, the team goes into ULTRA conservative mode and converts into a heavy run offense and pass only on passing downs. This is how they won every single one of their playoff games, go a ahead and watch them/check the stats. And even when Eli's force to read a coverage, he still has Steve Smith/Toomer hitting the out route or a RB to check down to. This offensive scheme never changes. It's 100% without a doubt the reason why we beat the Packers in the NFC championship, and how we got the game winning TD in the superbowl. The Giants always go to Plax in 1on1, as he's a mini randy moss and can catch anything thrown within 10 feet of him.

The only thing Eli has over Young is he can hit every throw on the field with relative ease.

The only one of those luxuries Vince Young has is a solid defense to rely on. He has no easy button WR, and a barely solid running game (which he's a part of). I think people really make a big deal out of complex coverages when they have no idea about how an offense works. Not every team requires Peyton/Brady'like precision and management.

If he can step his game up to that of a David Garrard (who didn't become the Garrard we know until his 6th season) he'll be fine. He's got the arm, he just needs the accuracy and presence in the pocket. And some god damn wide receivers.

[Tyche]

You have to go back several years to find dumb QBs that were great. Back in the day, there were tons of really good QBs in the league, now a days, there's less than 10 I'd trust on a 2:00 drive. It's god damned hard to play quarterback int his league, much harder than it was 15 years ago. The defenses are infinately better. There have been 9 Superbowl winners that have scored over a 25, there have been 2 superbowl winners that have scored under 25, and both of them were over 10years ago (this was with just a small sampling of scores I seen, I'm looking for more). I'm calculating some stats now to support what I'm saying, but the research is taking time. Watch, the research will say I'm wrong, I just know it. I'm sure there will be some oddities, but it's always the exception that proves the rule.

[Tyche]

OK, Last 10 superbowl winning QBs and their scores...

Eli - 39
Peyton - 28
Big Ben - 25
Tom Brady - 33
Brad Johnson - Cannot Find
Trent Dilfer - 22
Kurt Warner - 30
John Elway - 30
Brett Favre - 22
Troy Aikman - 29
Steve Young - 33

You see where were going. You could get away with a slightly less intelligent QB 20 years ago when defensive schemes aren't half as complex as they are now.

Edit: While searching scores, I seen this article that I think Plow wrote...

http://www.armchairgm.com/This_Just_...lay_in_the_NFL

More wonderlic info that I found funny...

The average score for an NFL prospect is 19. The average score overall -- hundreds of corporations use the Wonderlic -- is 21. Last year Iowa State running back Darren Davis reportedly scored a 4. Now, of course, he's in Congress.

Rick Rielly, probably the best sports writer ever, scored a 32 or something.

ALso, the only 50/50 in NFL history was a harvard graduate and punter for the bengals.

@ Deejay. I'm not saying it's impossible to win as a dumb QB who cannot do basic problem sovling, but the odds are statistically stacked heavily against you. I wouldn't just scoff this off as an anomoly, there's a correlation between intelligence/problem solving and QB success.

[Akiyama]

Wow... Eli had a 39 and Peyton had a 28? o.O;

[Deejay]

That list is fucking retarded. Quarterbacks don't win superbowls, teams do. The Ravens had one of the best Defenses ever the year Dilfer won it. And Favre had a lot to do with his team winning with the Packers. McNair was a yard short the year the Titans lost to the Rams, you're telling me the Rams won because Kurt Warner was a tad bit smarter than Steve mcnair?

[Tyche]

No deejay, I'm saying that there is a correlation between intelligence and basic problem solving skills and NFL success as a QB. That cannot be refuted. Obviously intelligence isn't the sole factor, or Harvard and Stanford would pump out superbowl QBs left and right. All I'm saying is that if you score below a 20 on the wonderlic, the odds are heavily heavily stacked against you to win a superbowl.

[Plow]

He has no easy button WR, and a barely solid running game (which he's a part of).

He's had so-so backs, but their running game is much, much more than "barely solid."

Especially now, with the freak Johnson. Too bad White will keep him from being the top 3 fantasy back he should easily be.

[Tyche]

Wow... Eli had a 39 and Peyton had a 28? o.O;

Eli is really fucking smart.

[Akiyama]

Rofl at the link you edited in, Tyche. That HAD to be written by Plow.

And I know Eli is smart, but I didn't realize he scored so much higher than his brother. I suppose Eli is a bit better too in his first years than Peyton was.

Edit: Just caught this.

Holy shit, this is football, not rocket science. I'm not trying to stick up for the guy, but if Vick can do it.... so can this guy. The dudes been playing his whole life, it's not the schemes that change, it's the players.

Vick didn't ever really do "it".. I have to ask, by "it", what do you mean? Put up good passing stats? Get his teams a ton of wins? Win a Super Bowl? If so, he never really did any of those things. In my honest opinion, as someone who watched Falcons football, he was a better Kordell Stewart. He was a running back that happened to throw the ball decently. People blaming the fact that he didn't have WRs wasn't totally true. He had decent WRs, but he never dedicated his work to being a true passer. He would rather run first if he's in trouble than rely on his arm. That's how I saw things. Not a good comparison for VY, Deejay. Not in my opinion at least.

[Byrd]

I still think the 49ers have a small chance. I'm a little biased though since i'm a 49ers fan. Which would make me a dick if they were winning.

They do have a small chance, certainly better than the Rams. The Seahawks are incredibly banged up for week one, and the Cardinals are, well, the Cardinals. But they'd better start winning this weekend or they will already be two games back, having lost to both of their division rivals. Had they beaten the Cardinals at home last Sunday, I would have a little more faith in them.

[Lordender]

Are you kidding me lol? Vince young has horrible QB mechanic's which a 3rd year QB starting should be showing improvement. The titans will be a better team with kerry collins as their QB.

While we're on statistic's, how many black qb's ever won a superbowl? Dougwilliams. yeah, i'll leave it at that.

[Weltall]

That list is fucking retarded. Quarterbacks don't win superbowls, teams do. The Ravens had one of the best Defenses ever the year Dilfer won it. And Favre had a lot to do with his team winning with the Packers. McNair was a yard short the year the Titans lost to the Rams, you're telling me the Rams won because Kurt Warner was a tad bit smarter than Steve mcnair?

I don't know where you got off thinking I said only smart QB's get to the Superbowl. Did I say Dilfer got the Raven's there? No. I wasn't measuring the QB in terms of superbowls, that is a team stat.

If you go on how well the quarterback plays the POSITION (not measured in fucking Superbowl wins, which is a team statistic) you will most DEFINITELY find the smarter the player is the better a chance the player has to succeed at QUARTERBACK; plenty of amazing QBs didn't win the Superbowl obviously.

Mechanics + Brain = Manning, Palmer, Brady for starters just taking into consideration active players.

Note - Dilfer was intelligent enough not to make retarded mistakes and hurt his team. While he didn't necessarily help them on every drive, he hardly pushed them in the opposite direction, unlike Young/Jackson/Aaron Brooks/etc....

It is starting to sound racist...but fuck....