Fantasy Football: Play 'em or Bench 'em Discussion!

[Akiyama]

Someone really dropped Winslow..? Wow. hell yeah, drop Frerotte. What league is this?

[Plow]

Do you even watch football? If you mean Green taking a cheap shot on someone then yes you're correct. He went low and paid the price for it. Take his cock out of your ass and calm down for christ's sake.

That was a chop block, perfectly clean and perfectly legal, he went down in front of him, it happens every game a hundred times.

When someone says "when he got OWNED on that scramble," it seems safe to me to assume they're talking about when he was scrambling and got absolutely crushed well after starting his slide.


Either way, you're still talking about a football player that got unlucky and took an extremely vicious impact to the head, this isn't boxing, that's not what football is about, and that attitude is bullshit.

[Akiyama]

Uh... excuse me? No? Chop blocks aren't legal. Why else do you sometimes see flags on kickoff returns for blocks in the back or chop blocks called? I doubt Green intentionally went to take him out like that, but that's how the lineman understood it. A cut block, however, is legal, but controversial. Wasn't sure if you were just mistaken.

Now, as far as the owned comment, I do like to see a guy take a nice, clean hit and get decked. I never want to see them get really hurt to the point of a Kevin Everett type of injury. That's horrible.

Green's just been unlucky his whole career is all. I really don't think he should still be playing. He may be good if his o-line gave him ~5-6 seconds in the pocket, but have you seen the Rams play? Seriously. Dead man walking. :/

[archibaldcrane]

Trying to find an adequate definition of the difference between a cut and a chop block is ...


pretty impossible.

[Plow]

There's no difference between a chop and a cut block.


It's illegal in 2 situations, one is in the middle of all the shit when you're doing it from right up close, because you end up with 300+ pound linemen moving with a downward force dropping their weight on someone's legs. The other is when they're already engaged with another block.


In the open field it is a perfectly acceptable tactic, even in the backfield if it's a 1 on 1 situation a back can use it.


The difference between legal and not for the most part is simply between going down in front of someone, and down on top of someone's legs. If you watch the hit, Green was simply going down to make him have to either jump over him, go around him, or fall over him. If a player isn't paying attention because he's looking 2 degrees to the right and is intensely focused on drilling the shit out of someone with no other blockers around, that doesn't make blocking them low illegal.

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[Akiyama]

Yeah, pretty much.

There is a small difference between a cut block (legal, but controversial), and a chop block though. A cut block is where the O-lineman blocks a defender below the knees. A chop block is where an offensive player blocks a defender from behind and below the knees. A cut block is also illegal though if the defender is engaged with another player.

That's how I understand the rule. It was hard to find the difference between the two.

But I suppose that's sort of what you said, Plow. Either way, I do remember the play, and like I said. The defender took what Green did the wrong way. It's not like Trent Green practices his cut/chop blocks in practice or anything.

[Anyway]

Gotta start 3 out of these 5 backs:

Westbrook vs CHI
Edgerrin James vs Jets
Fred Taylor vs Texans
Matt Forte vs Philly
LeRon McClain vs Steelers

I'm leaning towards the 2 bolded. Westbrook will probably ride the bench. Which leaves it to McClain who's been getting goalline carries as a backup vs Edge who doesn't as the starter. Both playing tough defenses.

[Akiyama]

If Westbrook isn't in, I'd go with McClain I think. He's getting more time ahead of Ray Rice, and you never know what's gonna happen with McGahee.

[archibaldcrane]

Ok, super obscure sit/start question.

Chris Gamble vs. Atl, or Gibril Wilson vs. SD? Cortland Finnegan is my other DB so I'm obviously starting him because he's sexy.

[Akiyama]

Hrm. That's actually a hard one. o.o; I'd actually go Wilson against SD because I mean.. SD should throw it more than Atlanta, right?

[Deejay]

The difference between legal and not for the most part is simply between going down in front of someone, and down on top of someone's legs. If you watch the hit, Green was simply going down to make him have to either jump over him, go around him, or fall over him. If a player isn't paying attention because he's looking 2 degrees to the right and is intensely focused on drilling the shit out of someone with no other blockers around, that doesn't make blocking them low illegal.

edit 4 beaten

Dude, he blocked him from the side.

Whichever way you spin it, the hit was uncalled for. It was a 300 pound lineman running laterally. He could have torn an ACL/MCL easily. Chop Blocking from someone's blind side is dirty. End of story.

[Tyr]

weigh in on this trade for me:

I give:
Donovan McNabb
Jonathan Stewart
Brandon Lloyd
Brady Quinn

I get:
Adrian Peterson
Matt Jones
San Diego Defense


I've been trying to work a trade for Adrian since week 1, but he never was convinced at how terrible his QB situation was in a QB heavy league. My roster after the trade will be:

QB - Jay Cutler, Kurt Warner
RB - Adrian Peterson, Steven Jackson, Maurice Jones-Drew, DeAngelo Williams, Chester Taylor
WR - Brandon Marshall, Andre Johnson, Anthony Gonzalez, Matt Jones
TE - Chris Cooley
K - Mason Crosby
DEF - JAC & SD

I love my roster post-trade. I hate giving up McNabb, but I love getting Adrian much, much more. I'm surprised at the recent happenings in the league - it's my money league, and someone dropped Chester Taylor...fell right into my lap, couldn't ask for a better gift, so now I lock up the MIN running game incase AD goes down.

I offered McNabb, Stewart, and DeAngelo for Adrian & SD Def, and he rejected - no idea why given that he could have had the CAR-pair incase something should happen.

EDIT: I think the trade's in my favor, but to the defense of the person trading away, their quarterback is (was?) Matt Cassel and Derek Anderson, in a league that gives 6pts per passing touchdown.

[sekaran]

Anyone think dropping Chester Taylor (I have AP) or DeAngelo Williams to pick up Chris Perry a good idea? Only get to play 2 RBs in this league, no flex. Current RBs are:

Adrian Peterson
Brandon Jacobs
Steve Slaton
DeAngelo Williams
Chester Taylor

[Fistandantilus]

I would drop DeAngelo, Perry looked real good last week, with those 3 studs you won't ever be starting Williams unless Stewart gets hurt, Perry may score less overall but he has more upside I think.

[kisada]

pretty good trade for you. i think one of the keys to winning a fantasy league is trading a combination of assets for top 10 guys.

once cutler turned into a monster, one of your 2 backups turned into a high-value asset.


and yeah, i dropped deangelo a long time ago. the coach has been gradually been shifting toward stewart, so he's probably just gonna turn into stewart's handcuff within a week or two.

perry at least is the #1 guy, and his numbers aren't really indicative of his value because he faced 3 vicious defenses in the first few weeks.

[Plow]

Dude, he blocked him from the side.

Whichever way you spin it, the hit was uncalled for. It was a 300 pound lineman running laterally. He could have torn an ACL/MCL easily. Chop Blocking from someone's blind side is dirty. End of story.

Please, explain to me how you hit someone from the left "side" and get nailed in the head by their right knee.

He did exactly what he should do in that situation, he was simply off on his timing by a couple inches and got nailed. He was not on a "blind side," the guy was simply quite literally not looking where he was going, and focused on the ball carrier. Just FYI, a lineman can't run laterally and expect to make a tackle on a RB doing the same, he was in a dead sprint moving forward.

Go watch the damn video it's not like youtube is hard.

[Deejay]

The mere fact that I have to explain to you that the hit was dirty/uncalled for is enough proof that you're retarded.

You're only supposed to hit low at people who are running straight at you. Trent Green got hit on the side of his head. You can't hit the side of your head on someone's knee if you're approaching head on.

and omg, I just watched the video on youtube. The anchor called it a BLIND SIDE CHOP BLOCK within the first 10 seconds of the god damn video. wtf else do I have to say?

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=zlo4hdSzXQE

[archibaldcrane]

Deejay, you're retarded. It was a legal block, the only thing that made it blind-side is that the lineman wasn't watching where he was running.

QBs routinely dive at legs to make blocks on sweeps and shit - it's how they're supposed to block if they need to, and it's legal. You cut the guy down. As long as you don't do it from behind it's fucking fine.

[Deejay]

Theres a difference between legal and dirty. Check it and then start talking Arch. I never said it wasn't legal.

Edit:

What made it dirty wasn't the fact that he went low, it's the fact that he went low when the defender didn't know he was coming. You're not supposed to do that in football because it causes injuries. Duh.

And why do you think theres a rule stating that defensive players can only hit quarterbacks from the thigh to the shoulder?

Hitting someone's legs when they don't know you're coming is a recipe for disaster. They just don't have a rule established like that for defenders because 99% of the time, they know when they're going to be hit/blocked.

[archibaldcrane]

These men are making millions of dollars to play a game. They should earn their money by doing everything within the rules to win.

Poking eyes out at the bottom of a fumble scrum is dirty. Doing the best you can to block a guy that has 100 lbs on you, within the rules, isn't dirty. What should he have done? "oh his head is turned, let me step aside, sorry" or "I'm a football player, let me try to take this hulking beast on with an upper body block!"

Both answers are ridiculous. The only correct answer is to block him like he did, and it's the man who got blocked's responsibility to watch where he's going.

If you play hockey you gotta keep your head up - you get caught watching your stick-handling and you will get your clock fucking cleaned. Same deal in football, target fixation will get you blind-sided, you have to be aware of where the other players are, not just the ball carrier.