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  1. #221
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    Cleared both mine and another set members discs tonight for the force drop on the headpieces since we still needed a few, pretty bizzare, got THF Dagger and Askar on both (I mean.. what are the odds...). I must have seen THF dagger at least 5 times now in something like 15-18 100 wins.

    Lots of Askar and very little Goliard seems to be a recurring theme but not worth QQing about anymore thanks to this update. Floors with Cassie can suck, though I find CC goes down fast enough to be manageable for the most part. I think one of the most ridiculous floors I've ever had had a Cassie, a Simurgh, and a Voivre, and as I recall we actually ended up winning the run due to easy floors aside from that (got striders too which were kinda fun to randomly shout to sell in the 5 minute time window).

    Personally my most hated floor by a long shot is enemy group with 5 Soulflayers (Tribulation might be manageable, but it's still annoying as hell), and sometimes a restriction for fun (have gotten this with white magic restriction once, and song restriction another time).

  2. #222
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    I cant wait to find out what the mythics will do, beside the ones we know . Predicting the GK might have a overwhelm type trait on it ;3

  3. #223
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    I'm waiting to see Mnk H2H, hopes it will rocks.
    Also yeah the GK may be better than Amano, but I dont see how.

  4. #224
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    Given that the ones they showed were cool, but not the top end dmg/dly, I wouldn't jump and assume they're obsoleting dyna relics just yet.

  5. #225
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    Still hopeful, they said those were still in development, so they might have been improved since then.

  6. #226
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max™ View Post
    Given that the ones they showed were cool, but not the top end dmg/dly, I wouldn't jump and assume they're obsoleting dyna relics just yet.
    Well they said they didn't want mythics to be better than dyna relics, so the only way it would happen would be via one of those circumstances where SE just doesn't know what makes a weapon good and they put something strong on it without realizing. So, still well within the realm of possibility, but if a mythic weap does turn out to be stronger than it's dyna counterpart, don't expect it to stay that way.

  7. #227
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    Well if same trend follows with all weapons attacking occasionally twice and if its a decent rate they 2 handed weapons could be pretty damn strong if stay high damage or decent other stats. I think the blu sword is gonna kick ass to all other alternatives.

  8. #228
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    Quote Originally Posted by lysol View Post
    Well if same trend follows with all weapons attacking occasionally twice and if its a decent rate they 2 handed weapons could be pretty damn strong if stay high damage or decent other stats. I think the blu sword is gonna kick ass to all other alternatives.
    Exactly, by giving these things the Joyeuse-trait they're already making a very risky move in terms of obsoleting the RoTZ relics.

  9. #229
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    Im interested to see the stat on the GAXE lol, could be better than bravura if the WS is good.

  10. #230
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    Making or breaking the new weapons basically depend on 3 things:

    A) The Occasionally attacks twice bonus. if it follows the ~50% doubleattack rate many melee weapons will easily outdo their rellic counterparts

    B) MACC MAB Bonus. Seriously this is a hugh point. If the Bonus will be like 5% 10% 15% at 100 200 300 TP the mage weapons will be really crappy and shitstorm inc etc. On the other side SE could make them really broken and do like 20% 250% 30% on 100 200 300 TP. While getting TP for it still would be strange for a mage the reward could justify some stunts.

    C) The actual WSes. While occasionallyattacks twice might be neat, jobs who have the majority of their DMG in the WS department could really suffer from bad weaponskills. The animations for Scythe WS, GK WS and Gaxe WS get the hopes up tho that those Weaponskills have great potential for 2handers.

  11. #231
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaachaQ View Post
    Well, guess I get to find out about floor 100 droprates myself... we tried to get 100 win on my disc today, but not all our normal members were there (Sunday instead of Monday so some couldn't be there), and we had to exit on 98. Capricious Cassie and Dahaks on a Kill All floor >.>
    Floor 100 droprate on helm and weapon are both 100% if you wipe your disc, regardless it is the first time or second time. I would like to see if runic key does the same thing after the update.

    We wiped all 3 of our discs during the weekend and got 3 helms, two goliard and one askar, all 3 runs are without TH. I guess you will definitely want to wipe your disc before the update in case something changes after.

  12. #232
    THOU THOU THOU THOU THOU THOU THOU THOU
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyramion View Post
    B) MACC MAB Bonus. Seriously this is a hugh point. If the Bonus will be like 5% 10% 15% at 100 200 300 TP the mage weapons will be really crappy and shitstorm inc etc. On the other side SE could make them really broken and do like 20% 250% 30% on 100 200 300 TP. While getting TP for it still would be strange for a mage the reward could justify some stunts.
    Please don't fix this, I'd gladly take 250% MAB. :D

  13. #233
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    If the PUP weapon is "Acc varies with TP" i'm going to castrate someone with my C H2H skill.

  14. #234
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jkun View Post
    If the PUP weapon is "Acc varies with TP" i'm going to castrate someone with my C H2H skill.
    If you are able to even hit his testicles...

  15. #235
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyramion View Post
    If you are able to even hit his testicles...
    Touche, lol.

  16. #236
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    Looking forward to pressing F5 on the datamining thread/private pages.

  17. #237
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max™ View Post
    Given that the ones they showed were cool, but not the top end dmg/dly, I wouldn't jump and assume they're obsoleting dyna relics just yet.
    Yeah, because Destroyers don't obsolete Spharai ¬_¬

  18. #238
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    Is the update up to download? Wanted to go home during lunch and start it.

  19. #239
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainN View Post
    Is the update up to download? Wanted to go home during lunch and start it.
    Servers don't come down for about another 20 min, right?

  20. #240
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blackrose View Post
    Servers don't come down for about another 20 min, right?
    O your right, I didn't read. So that idea isn't going to work.

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