What to do about ls website activity!!

[Zhero]

Ive been trying hard to get people to post inside on the ls website i have set for the shell, some have but all of them havent. How much do I have to keep encouraging this before I can get some results. And ls punctuality, Einherjar is a 30mins event but it takes at least and hr for us to gather, how do I put my foot down and make it known that I wont tolerate it.

[The Stig]

1. Boot people (highly not recommended... a little harsh)
2. Benefit those who turn up on time/early (depending on how your system works)/Set a "go in time" and if you have the required people to go in, then go in and shut the others out (might not work if 90% of your members are late)
3. Post strategies or stuff on there that will steer people towards it.

Just a thought, but I know how you feel.

[Tan]

I find "starting activities on time" to be really a big issue for a small LS moreso than a larger one. For my linkshell we typically have 20 active members or so, for every event we really need everyone to be present when we can. So that typically means waiting for people to log on, get off from jobs, etc. I really don't see any way of getting around that issue than recruiting more people, but for a larger LS w/ 36+ members I would strictly enforce being "on time" with your LS's participation/points/loot/whatever system. If you can afford the hit on members you shouldn't ever "wait" on members or they will get lazy and start to abuse the fact that you schedule around them.

[Octavious]

Honestly, it is semi-blunt but just leave people behind. As Stig mentioned, set a time for example, Einherjar @ 7:30, Gather @ 7. If they don't make it by 7:30 then go in. I guarentee you if it's general laziness getting left out once will make them show up. Use your judgement as well, if someone has a job etc then there might be valid reason for that person, but it is still not a reason to inconvieniance the rest of your group.

[Darkmoon]

The biggest problem you will face is that even if you do things like give points for being on time, or tell people you will leave them behind or kick them if they dont show on time. People will only show on time enough to get what they want then drop.

If the people really dont want to make the effort, and have to be foreced, then they are not long term people. Its hard to build a LS around new members, it takes a strong core group willing to be above and beyond for a long time to attact quality members.

Biggest thing about start times. Be consistant. Nothing that Members hate more then the leaders saying "We will start around 8" and you start around 9, or you say "We will just start when everyone is here." thats a statment of fail, because there are at least 10% that will assume others will be later and show late them selves.

Most the very good attendance, strong LSs you read about on BG are not new LSs, most are very long time LSs 2-3 years, or newer LS that were build off a foundation of people that understand this already. Starting new LSs, of people new to the game is going to be rough. Lots wont understand the rason they need to show to majority of events.

As to touch on use of LS websites, only thing you can do to force members to post there is make it have a ton of info, and post stuff intresting and useful.

If your LS website looks like a train wreck and is hard to navigate, or has 85123.7 pop ups. No one will use it.


All I can say is Good luck. Maintaining a strong active dedicated LS is a lot of work, and a lot of give from the leaders end. It also takes years to build.

[Valisk]

And ls punctuality, Einherjar is a 30mins event but it takes at least and hr for us to gather, how do I put my foot down and make it known that I wont tolerate it.

I would implement a "late tax". Set a gather time and enter time about 30 or 15 mins apart. If you have enough members and key jobs, then enter AT your enter time. If you need a few more members or key jobs, tax members who are trying to squeeze one last chain in exp or 1 last floor in Nyzul Isle, etc. If members show up 1 min to 10 mins after enter time, 10k, 11-20 mins, 25k, 30+ mins, 50k (Increase as you see fit). Use that gil to go towards free runs. ***Apply late tax for free runs as well*** Those who are on time get a free raid, those who are late contribute to the next raid at their expense. Those refusing to pay late tax and consistantly being late, then /kick or ban them from Einherjar for a period of time.

[Byrd]

2. Post strategies or stuff on there that will steer people towards it.

Our LS requires you to generate a list of possible drops you want from LS events. You have to post your list on the website. This is entered into a database, and then the LS officers can sort the database and see who all is interested in whatever drop or drops that we get. If you don't post on the website, you don't have a list, and you don't get stuff. It pretty much requires that people periodically visit the website.

[Hanyoko]

Kinda what Byrd said. Make their interaction (for example listing what they want) translate to how soon they get stuff. Possibly also use a points system. Basic attendance is say... 5 points and a -1 for every 5 min your late which can go to -5. Build it into a system where there is negative effects for slackers otherwise people will 'test the borders' on what they can get away with.

[Andri]

LS Web site: The poster above might be correct, if your web site is annoying or hard to navigate (pop-ups), harsh black background and white text... etc, people may not want to go there. My LS from the start has heavily relied on our forums to dictate job setups and plans for Limbus, Einherjar and other events. Members have to go there to find out what job they are required to be on. They also can sign up for events like KS99s or to get in lucrative Bv2 runs (because we split the proceeds.)

Punctuality: You just have to have zero tolerance for lateness. My LS started this policy early with Limbus. We leave on time. If you are not there, if you log on 4 minutes late in Jueno, we are probably already killing the flower. We will not kill another for you. See you later, Be on time next time. The drops from Limbus are determined largely based on attendance, which is taken for every run. If you are not there and cannot be bothered to be on time, someone else will take your gear, EVEN someone who does not have a job levelled yet to wear it.
Same thing with sky, if you aren't on time for the guard fight, you don't get attendance points for it. Points are used to purchase sky gear.
The only place where this is a tad difficult is Einherjar. It's hard to go in to a tier 3 with 22 if you just waited for those 3 stragglers still in Whitegate who just logged on. But here again, our LS will go in without them. There is only so long I can make 22 people who were courteous and on-time stand around for someone who isn't.

They will figure it out, or they will go elsewhere.

[Zhero]

LS Web site: The poster above might be correct, if your web site is annoying or hard to navigate (pop-ups), harsh black background and white text... etc, people may not want to go there. My LS from the start has heavily relied on our forums to dictate job setups and plans for Limbus, Einherjar and other events. Members have to go there to find out what job they are required to be on. They also can sign up for events like KS99s or to get in lucrative Bv2 runs (because we split the proceeds.)

Punctuality: You just have to have zero tolerance for lateness. My LS started this policy early with Limbus. We leave on time. If you are not there, if you log on 4 minutes late in Jueno, we are probably already killing the flower. We will not kill another for you. See you later, Be on time next time. The drops from Limbus are determined largely based on attendance, which is taken for every run. If you are not there and cannot be bothered to be on time, someone else will take your gear, EVEN someone who does not have a job levelled yet to wear it.
Same thing with sky, if you aren't on time for the guard fight, you don't get attendance points for it. Points are used to purchase sky gear.
The only place where this is a tad difficult is Einherjar. It's hard to go in to a tier 3 with 22 if you just waited for those 3 stragglers still in Whitegate who just logged on. But here again, our LS will go in without them. There is only so long I can make 22 people who were courteous and on-time stand around for someone who isn't.

They will figure it out, or they will go elsewhere.

I agree with this, and I think Im gonna start enforcing this martial law, because I have shit to do also, and if people are late, then it postpones other people being able to do stuff.

The biggest problem you will face is that even if you do things like give points for being on time, or tell people you will leave them behind or kick them if they dont show on time. People will only show on time enough to get what they want then drop.

If the people really dont want to make the effort, and have to be foreced, then they are not long term people. Its hard to build a LS around new members, it takes a strong core group willing to be above and beyond for a long time to attact quality members.

Biggest thing about start times. Be consistant. Nothing that Members hate more then the leaders saying "We will start around 8" and you start around 9, or you say "We will just start when everyone is here." thats a statment of fail, because there are at least 10% that will assume others will be later and show late them selves.

Most the very good attendance, strong LSs you read about on BG are not new LSs, most are very long time LSs 2-3 years, or newer LS that were build off a foundation of people that understand this already. Starting new LSs, of people new to the game is going to be rough. Lots wont understand the rason they need to show to majority of events.

As to touch on use of LS websites, only thing you can do to force members to post there is make it have a ton of info, and post stuff intresting and useful.

If your LS website looks like a train wreck and is hard to navigate, or has 85123.7 pop ups. No one will use it.


All I can say is Good luck. Maintaining a strong active dedicated LS is a lot of work, and a lot of give from the leaders end. It also takes years to build.

My ls website is very easy to navigate it has main forums and subforums even a place where we can post pics of various places and NMs and what not..This is hard work, as a leader I cant show weakness

[Lexa]

If you need to wait for them to even get the event going, take away either drops, attendance, points, whathaveyou. If you can afford it, going without them altogether is better, though.

[tonystigma]

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[Lordwafik]

LS website activity for my LS isn't very much, there's a few people who post here and there but that's that, I don't expect them to scour the site constantly.

However for events, what I do is something like :

/lsmes t4 ZNMs on Saturday night 8:30pm EST, make sure you have 500 zeni, sign up on the site

And make sure that the people who sign up get a priority over people who don't . All my events, even dynamis are done this way as nothing in my LS is mandatory.