Version Update Details (9/8/08)

[Buttons]

Wow such a nice update. It may seem insignificant to most but I am excited about the new adventurer recruitment items at 70 days, now I can finally get the Egg Helmet for my Taru. =D

[Spider-Dan]

Dream flower is annoying for parties, yeah, but counter was annoying for the lv1-5s. You go up against a mandy, and they take longer to kill and you take more damage, due to counter and guard. It's almost not worth fighting them.

But yeah, I'd lean to them nerfing the length of dream flower.

I don't think mandies get counter until LV10, which was well above the level of Saruta mandies anyway.

As the other poster suggested, I'm leaning towards removal of poison TP moves. It's the one thing that all the cited mobs have in common, and it is disproportionately deadly to low-level characters.

[Crosis]

Surprised nobody caught this. That one word tells me they are reducing the droprate of Alexandrite. If they were going to increase the droprate they would have said "Additionally".

I noticed that too but it is not as if Alexandrite even dropped often in Salvage. Maybe it's just bad JP to NA conversion grammar.

[nekura]

Lv 65+ required.Sounds like someone's forgetting the first two rules of Sows...

Didn't that rule go away when invites were introduced? :b

Interesting to see so many people from the Bemani community here. XD

[LinktheDeme]

Shenlong's ?

As for AV... watch them ninja the drop rate for items.

They won't have to if it stays unbeatable, just means people will be forced to give up faster.

[Damen]

Surprised nobody caught this. That one word tells me they are reducing the droprate of Alexandrite. If they were going to increase the droprate they would have said "Additionally".

Consequences can be both positive and negative. Not necessarily bad, just as a result of.

con·se·quence

1. Something that logically or naturally follows from an action or condition. See Synonyms at effect.

[Kenji]

Can someone go through this with me to make sure I haven't missed something, but really if the party and the PLD makes a macro, then this following scenario in my understanding, is entirely possible.

invite all party members to level synch party. in the setup you include a PLD. the PLD gets hate in level restrictions, disbands the party, thus becoming lvl75 again. he can now keep hate with cures and sentinel enmity gear/merits and shit etc, and then invite him back into pt at 10%...

am i missing something there? apologies if I am. the exp from my understanding would not be penalised as he would not have made any physical attack on the mob after the level restriction is taken off. I could see that working quite well in the Dunes... hell, a RDM could even disband also and Refresh him and instantly join straight back. but tbh that all sounds too convenient, I must be missing something.

I think I understand what he's saying, but it's not really needed. The same thing happens with PLs. Once a PL has enough hate, he tanks while the party beats on it.

The only change, then, is getting the PL back in the party to get xp when the mob is about to die, ie...

Leader sets level to his, which is 25.
PLD gets hate, then disbands, and instantly becomes 75. He's now tanking a lv30+ mob as a 75.
Party beats down mob til 10% HP is left.
PLD is invited back
Mob is killed, and PLD gets full xp for it, since he became 25 the instant he rejoined.

Seems a bit of a hassle, and I'm sure SE might have put some other safeguard in there. For instance, if the PLD provoked the mob as a Lv25, and thus took an offensive action on it, and then disbands to rise back to 75, it might destroy the xp on the mob.

[layoneil]

But even if you can't do it here, you can for HNMs. Looks like a wipe? Quickly set everyone to lv10 from a lv10 leader standing at zoneline.

and it's probably going to look like a wipe because you have 15 people in the alliance instead of 18.

there are no mobs in the game worth that trouble outside of AV/PW and who knows what's up with them now.

[Sho]

Since stratagems are part of the Grimoire, maybe they are included too. *prays*

No need to pray dude. Grimoire = Stategems. Every SCH should know this if they have AF Feet.

[Wizeman]

lvl down is own. SE prob punishing us for that bit of news maid over kid fighting PW for 12 hours... bet its going to be hard as hell to kill in 2.

[Deftscythe]

No need to pray dude. Grimoire = Stategems. Every SCH should know this if they have AF Feet.

It's just going to mean you can merit both light and dark recast at once.

[Havok]

I'm kind of equating Max Sublimation with Convert recast merits. Will be usefull if you do a lot of healing/support/solo. If not, you're probably better off with the other categories. We'll see though.

[Acorn]

No need to pray dude. Grimoire = Stategems. Every SCH should know this if they have AF Feet.

wut?

[Freysi]

Consequences can be both positive and negative. Not necessarily bad, just as a result of.

con·se·quence

1. Something that logically or naturally follows from an action or condition. See Synonyms at effect.

Thanks for that english lesson.

Who says SE thinks reducing alexandrite droprate is a negative consequence? The point is, because if the reduced requirements, droprates are being changed. Think of it in RL terms.

"Minimum wage has been increased. Consequently tax rate will be adjusted."

What's your first thought when you read that? Also, this is SE we're talking about.

[Lyramion]

Hmmmm this all looks nice but.... to ask...

"Where is the actual content?"


All the things added seem like an adjustment of older grinds. I will log on and do new cityquests. Then.... I will... ummm.... work on mystic weapon by doign Einherjar n Salvage? Like I did for the last year anyway?


Actual content to keep people busy with new stuff rather looks like another Spring update of Fail and not a winning ZNM update like in summer.

[layoneil]

SE prob punishing us for that bit of news maid over kid fighting PW for 12 hours... bet its going to be hard as hell to kill in 2.

which is still better than "impossible to kill period"?

[Reapz]

No need to pray dude. Grimoire = Stategems. Every SCH should know this if they have AF Feet.

AF Feet reduce casting time and recast time of the arts you are in, what does that have to do with Stratagems?

[evilpaul]

Lol at AV/PW, was expecting a few surprises but oh well, SCH merits look like they could be great.

I'd love to know why people think so. They look like shit to me.

I think they're almost identical to the horrible ones Septimus made up like two months ago.

[Tempyst]

Hmmmm this all looks nice but.... to ask...

"Where is the actual content?"


All the things added seem like an adjustment of older grinds. I will log on and do new cityquests. Then.... I will... ummm.... work on mystic weapon by doign Einherjar n Salvage? Like I did for the last year anyway?


Actual content to keep people busy with new stuff rather looks like another Spring update of Fail and not a winning ZNM update like in summer.

Yeah it's not like they added new ws quests for every job in the game

[Daveys]

Holy Crap! @ some of the DAT mining items in the DAT mining thread already!