Data Mining Discussion

[calinz]

I'm not QQing about Nirvana. It is a great weapon.

But Bahamut's Staff is far from being trash, even to a summoner with Nirvana, and that is the point I'm trying to make. Summoners who toss it aside or mannequin it will only be doing themselves a disservice.

I'm going to have to agree with Jeryhn on that one. Nirvana doesn't enhance Physical BPs in any way without the aftermath effect, and lefts face it you're NEVER going to use that outside of soloing, ever. Whereas Bahamut's Staff adds a small but ever so needed accuracy increase to phs. BPs.

[Kaylia]

Anyone know is there is new campaign medal/rank?

[Vedder]

Luckily they didn't do anything to lessen the usefulness of the body, legs and hands. Although the Commodore's Belt completely blowing away the Buccaneer's Belt was something I didn't really see coming either.

Me neither... I thought maybe it'd be some little cape or mantle with +AGI on it for Quick Draw or something, but when it turned out to be better than Buccaneer's Belt it made me glad we just recently started Einherjar, otherwise I woulda wasted ampoules on it.

[miokomioko]

Perhaps Martial Arts delay reduction doesn't affect TP gain? I'm not sure about that but that is the only possible reason I can think of that they would put that effect on a weapon instead of simply reducing its delay. Haste would affect spell recast also, so perhaps they avoided that as well.

[sruon]

Anyone know is there is new campaign medal/rank?

Nope... waiting on it since forever+1

[Bozo]

Commodore Belt
DEF:4 STR+4
Ranged Accuracy+8 Ranged Attack+5
Lv70 COR

HOLY SHIT.

[Mizango]

Commodore Belt
DEF:4 STR+4
Ranged Accuracy+8 Ranged Attack+5
Lv70 COR

HOLY SHIT.

Fuck yes! That's what I'm talking about.

[Kenai]

i don't think anyone with 75 pup qualifies as "in their right mind"

Oh, come on now. There are people around here that have unlocked such things as CLAUSTRUM and MJORJWWHATEVER.

Yes, I'm upgrading it too. Martial Arts, plus the Ridill effect and +acc/+attack for me and the Auto too. Why wouldn't I?

[Ksandra]

Most of my argument comes from the fact that I don't really see how Nirvana is helping me, when I want to use Predator Claws, which is still by and large the most useful offensive Bloodpact overall. I'm not saying its useless, I'm saying shit is situational.

I agree, however, I have neither. Out of the two I'd rather get nirvana over baha only because on the occasions I actually get to use smn, I'm a healer too/or backup healer. So while you say mp doesn't matter, it does to me. If I ever got nirvana I wouldn't ever feel the need to try and get a group to get baha staff, whereas I think if I got baha staff I'd always be itching to get nirvana. So to me nirvana >>>> baha

[Kaylia]

Perhaps Martial Arts delay reduction doesn't affect TP gain? I'm not sure about that but that is the only possible reason I can think of that they would put that effect on a weapon instead of simply reducing its delay. Haste would affect spell recast also, so perhaps they avoided that as well.

Haste can be capped...doubt so on pup tho.

If martial trait reduce delay more than "+49", that would explain why it's on the weapon and not in the delay. They wouldnt want negative delay. But then, I doubt they are that nice, and they probably just wanted to give a "nice looking" stats.

[Mikayla]

Me neither... I thought maybe it'd be some little cape or mantle with +AGI on it for Quick Draw or something, but when it turned out to be better than Buccaneer's Belt it made me glad we just recently started Einherjar, otherwise I woulda wasted ampoules on it.

That's kind of what I figured, just goes to show. Unfortunately, I spent my ampuoles on it like 6 or so months ago. All sales final, no refunds.

[sruon]

So... Taking bets on how long it takes for Mini to get all Mythics.

5$ on one week.

Fuck you Cannon

[Karbuncle]

I'm not QQing about Nirvana. It is a great weapon.

But Bahamut's Staff is far from being trash, even to a summoner with Nirvana, and that is the point I'm trying to make. Summoners who toss it aside or mannequin it will only be doing themselves a disservice.

Most of my argument comes from the fact that I don't really see how Nirvana is helping me, when I want to use Predator Claws, which is still by and large the most useful offensive Bloodpact overall. I'm not saying its useless, I'm saying shit is situational.

This i agree with, It sounds more Reasonable.
However, I would See Nirvana being more useful soloing :3

Bahamut's Wont become 100% obsolete, You can still use it for BP Ward, And more so if your using Physical bloodpacts in the form of Summon > BP > Release, the -1 Perp wont hurt.

But for all thing Magical, Nirvana! :O, your first argument made it sound like "Magical BP are useless, lolnirvana", which is what i read, and apparently the first guy to reply to you read also.

but really though, They are indeed useful for as many situations as 70BPs, it just depends on the SMN

[Callisto]

So far I think I declare COR and PUP the winners, with Burtgang a close 2nd.

[Sechs]

Perhaps Martial Arts delay reduction doesn't affect TP gain?

As far as the current existing items affecting Martial Arts goes... it DOES affect TP gain. That's because Martial Arts it's appearently a straight delay reduction when using H2H, nothing more nothing less.
Now, if the Enhances Martial Arts special effect present on Kenkonken is something special (but what?) I have no means to say, I was just talking SUPPOSING it's the same as every "Enhances Martial Arts" which has been existing so far in the game. ^^

Me and many others complained about it since the "pre-final" version came out on... FF Stractics I think? I of course assumed they would have changed that to a different bonus.
Now... it remained the same, and if it really is delay -20 it's just plain stupid.

[Jkun]

I want sum pictures of these new beastmen heads. I WANT A SUPER YAGUDO HEAD.

[[Cookies]]

So... Taking bets on how long it takes for Mini to get all Mystic.

5$ on one week.

What are Mystic Weapons?

[Greyman]

Any dialogue on where the quest npcs for new weapon skills might be?

[Sechs]

Haste can be capped...doubt so on pup tho.

If martial trait reduce delay more than "+49", that would explain why it's on the weapon and not in the delay.

Yes, I suggested that already, like 3x Martial Arts Job Trait, which corresponds to -20 x3 = -60.
That could be a reason, but that would also give PUP the chance to become faster than MNK with a Martial Arts VII job trait, whereas MNK get only up to VI.
Seeing the approach SE had in the past when it comes to MNK Vs PUP issues, I find it very unlikely for them to make PUP reach that.

Also, -60 is so good it seems almost unlikely for them to give PUP that much.

[Zonnashi]

I thought SE had said they were going to make new put new tanks in, not give PLD an even more overpowering sword. It's ok though, one of the few times I'll say this, <3 you SE, Burtgang is beautiful.