Data Mining Discussion

[Oulanbator]

I'm confused.
Why would the WS do no dmg?

Because all other wses says it delivers a X-fold attack, and not this one.
So basically, it's not supposed to hit anything. Does it even gives Tp ?

[Vasio]

The Light/Dark Arts merits don't work on Stratagem timers, just put a point in there to test. ><

Sublimation adds +10 per which is nice. Think I'll do Helix/Sub for great justice.

+10 what? Total mp stored?

[kayn]

Because all other wses says it delivers a X-fold attack, and not this one.
So basically, it's not supposed to hit anything. Does it even gives Tp ?

It's just my opinion, but I think you're assuming too much.
We won't know until someone has it to test.

[blev]

seems like someone was thinking way too hard.

it will do DMG, but the "lowers target accuracy" will be an added effect.

edit: it doesn't say "x-fold attack" because it's a single hit WS. stop looking so far into shit without thinking about it first.

[Oulanbator]

So why not say it delivers a one fold attack ?

Well, maybe I misunderstood something ( maybe one fold attack doesn't makes sense in english w/e).
If it deals some damage, it's gonna be ok or great

[Therin]

No damage, haha. I lol'd.

[sscearcev]

And then, that weaponskill that doesn't do any damage...
. . . N O D A M A G E . . . WTF !!!
No damage, so we will always be under other melees, and I don't think +10 enmity will help us tank in these conditions. They should have added something like +70 enm if they remove us our weaponskills damage, because weaponskills are 50% of the Ninja's damage.
I can understand Smns and Blms not doing damage and having interesting side effects encouraging them to melee, but Ninja, come on, we need to do some damage on Wses.

You're not reading correctly, that text "lowers target accuracy. duration of effect varies with tp...." is a direct quote from the ingame ws description (pulled from a .dat)

ALL ws that induce a status effect have descriptions like that.

dulling arrow
Lowers enemy's INT. Chance of critical varies with TP.

skullbreaker
Lowers enemy's INT. Amount lowered varies with TP.

flat blade
Stuns enemy. Duration of effect varies with TP.

SE only mentions the word damage when its a damage varies w/ TP ws.

don't get me wrong, its a single hit ws from a 1h weapon, everything points to it being piss-poor dmg, but it will do some

[ringthree]

Face meet palm. Palm, face. Oh, you two have met before?

[blev]

So why not say it delivers a one fold attack ?

Well, maybe I misunderstood something ( maybe one fold attack doesn't makes sense in english w/e).
If it deals some damage, it's gonna be ok or great

maybe because no single-hit WS say "one-fold attack"?

yes, i think you misunderstood quite a bit. these weapons are meant to be better than everything else available, except for relic weapons. there is no chance they would give this weapon a WS that deals no DMG.

[Oulanbator]

You're not reading correctly, that text "lowers target accuracy. duration of effect varies with tp...." is a direct quote from the ingame ws description (pulled from a .dat)

ALL ws that induce a status effect have descriptions like that.
dulling arrow
Lowers enemy's INT. Chance of critical varies with TP.
skullbreaker
Lowers enemy's INT. Amount lowered varies with TP.

Yeah, you guys are probably right
To be honest, I was thinking of something like :
Moonlight:
Restores party members' MP within the an area of effect. Amount restored varies with TP.

Though, if the damage suck ( like a Full Break compared to Raging Rush or SCyclone) then it's more or less like not dealing damage

( well if I made some people lol at their screen, then that's cool too xD )

[kayn]

The reality is that the dmg might suck.
But most of us don't believe the WS will do no dmg.
Like I said, we won't know until someone gets it and tests it for us.

[Kenai]

+10 what? Total mp stored?

Yes. Helix merits add +3 mac and 2 mab per, MV duration +10% per, -2 art timer per. I can see the art timer being situationally useful to me but not more so than sub max/helix power.

[Qbertian]

No damage, haha. I lol'd.

This is the same guy who said that having a d.ring or ridill was equivalent to wearing a t-shirt that says, "I am a cheater." I'm beginning to see a pattern...

[Lampoon]

Is there a complete list of added items I can look through? So not in the mood to read through useless opinions. I want to see and decide for myself.

[Senoska]

Hahaha, oh wow. I love update days. I should get a bowl of popcorn before reading these threads, honestly.

[Ilian]

wow these assumptions about no dmg just beacause it doesnt say 2-fold attack....
that's pathetic ppl.
Intelligence is a beautiful thing.

[kayn]

No need to insult.

[Kenai]

No need to insult.

This is the internet...

[Jkun]

Just cuz I was talking a stroll to Jeuno:

PUP AF+1:

Item #1: Pantin Wire
Item #2: Corduroy Cloth

COR AF+1:

Item #1: Silkworm Thread
Item #2: Canvas Toile

BLU AF+1:

Item #1: Luminian Thread
Item #2: Flameshun Cloth

Hope this helps!

Edit: it also seems each job uses a variety of crafted items for upgrading. D:

[Orchyre]

There's an NPC in SSandy [S] that talks about bringing her back beastmen containers, anyone have any idea what this is about, I searched for the dialogue in the data mining thread but saw no mention of it.

Here's a pic of it:

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3420/dialoguera0.gif