Absolute Virtue ~ 9/8/08

[Midnightjade]

Congratulations. Sashes all round, and aureoles for all.

[Caclax]

lol

[Invictusx]

Very nice guys, sexy win

[abbeylee]

im a tank and i worked hard for my pld for years dreaming to tank one day AV

go lvl drk.

[Olo401]

Love the song choice. Even though it's been said a bajillion times, congrats.

<3 that song, <3 that album.. The only bad thing was they killed it so fast that the music stopped.

BTW grats on all the confirmed kills last night. Blood wine and Niruta's Sashes for everyone!

[Day]

Major grats on the kills. GJ

[Robert]

to SA: after the red bracelets came out, did it 2hr at all? jackyl has effects off so it doesn't show the 2hr animation.

[ringthree]

What? Please tell me an example. I have never heard of zerging anything taking more time than a conventional strat, hence the big push behind zerging. Planning ahead doesn't count, because you plan ahead for non zergs too.

I don't agree. The amount of time it takes to prepare for a fight like Kirin, especially if you used to more than just a zerging strategy, can take a rather long time. And although the fight can be done with limited two-hour usage, for most LS's the number of times you can zerg a Kirin is limited just by raw damage potential from the number of two-hours available.

There are also other limitations, for example, you can only do one Bahamut2 with a zerg every two hours. The fight itself is time limited shorter than that, so if you can kill it regularly you can do it far more often without having to go back or wait two hours for the abilities to recharge.

This is now straying away from the discussion at hand. The point I am trying to make is that I don't think anyone would be hurt by finding a strategy that doesn't require such a high number of DRK KC's, even the LS's that have managed to beat AV. You can always use KC DRK's with a normal strategy also, which would provide a measure of safety even for those that can already beat AV with a zerg.

[TB]

Your speed is wrong.

Looks like we found the right speed? ;o

[ringthree]

Looks like we found the right speed? ;o

I lol'ed. When are you guys trying again, TB? Maybe talk to Potpressure about borrowing his KC for another attempt?

[Jackyl]

<3 that song, <3 that album.. The only bad thing was they killed it so fast that the music stopped.

BTW grats on all the confirmed kills last night. Blood wine and Niruta's Sashes for everyone!

It nearly broke my heart when some of the younger members of the linkshell were like "what's that song jacky?".... how could you not know the song! ; ;

[Therin]

The better argument would be that KV was meant to be zerged, and this I actually think was the case. But just because one or two mobs were meant to be zerged, doesn't mean that all mobs were meant to be zerged.

Two SAMs with 8 or so BLMs can kill KV in two skillchains with bursts, you know.

[ringthree]

Two SAMs with 8 or so BLMs can kill KV in two skillchains with bursts, you know.

Reread what I wrote. I am well aware of what it takes to kill KV. Unless you are saying that what you are describing isn't a zerg. But that is just semantics.

[Day]

congratulations on defeating AV. That's a real accomplishments and a real step forward for the whole player base.
I find it quite sad that you used a zerg method but I'd rather see it dead than alive.
I really feel you avenged all these players that failed for years. Thank you so much for this.

I hope you guys are proud of yourselves, you really have reasons to be.

PS did you steal that guys shit or what?

[Therin]

Reread what I wrote. I am well aware of what it takes to kill KV. Unless you are saying that what you are describing isn't a zerg. But that is just semantics.

If that's a zerg, then so is Faf/hogg and Aspid, because you can do the same thing there.

[layoneil]

Reread what I wrote. I am well aware of what it takes to kill KV. Unless you are saying that what you are describing isn't a zerg. But that is just semantics.

semantics of what? how is something that requires no 2 hours a zerg?

[Therin]

Ninurta's Sash and Kraken Club are the two highest searched items on FFXIAH, lol.

[ringthree]

If that's a zerg, then so is Faf/hogg and Aspid, because you can do the same thing there.

I don't really know what your point is here. Are you just trying to pick a fight? It's pretty much irrelevant to the subject at hand. My point is that KV has to be killed very quickly, and that is all. KV is just not comparable to AV, as evidenced by what is needed to kill KV and what is needed to kill AV at this time.

Like I said before, I am not debating the morality of the way to kill AV. I am just looking for a way to kill AV without KC DRK zerging.

[Elipse]

I heard a few mentions about melee damage other than drks being weak. What conditions were those weak numbers tested under? Its fairly easy to give an entire zerging alliance 4 cor rolls and 6 soul voiced songs. How about Angon?

If say a Sam had 4 cor rolls, 6 soul voiced songs and Angon was on, would his numbers still be as bad as people are saying on AV?

How about tomahawk? does that affect AV at all reducing any special defense?

66k damage is not outside the reach of a fairly well geared/merited alliance on any other mob. So the question really comes down to if we can make normal melee hit closer to their peak numbers.

[TB]

I lol'ed. When are you guys trying again, TB? Maybe talk to Potpressure about borrowing his KC for another attempt?

Already planning the next shot at it. We just don't want have 200 spectators lagging us to death, so can't tell exactly when. ;-/