Absolute Virtue ~ 9/8/08

[Mojo]

I've seen it open up with Manafont on multiple occasions, before any real damage was done. I've also seen it do Benediction for 5 HP. It seems random to me, but by all means.

[Geno01]

I dont post here much but I think thats a really well thought out and viable idea.

[Mojo]

Most of the ideas people have are well thought out, but does any of the evidence ever fit with these well constructed theories?

[Kyreth]

GJ guys, grats on the drops.

Finally the mythical AV is no longer untouchable.

The mythical AV of the past will remain forever untouched and never truly defeated- the AV 2.0 is officially in the range of reality though.

I do find it funny that the most potent weapon in endgame finesse is clubbing monsters like a baby harp seal.

[Belkin]

I've seen it open up with Manafont on multiple occasions, before any real damage was done. I've also seen it do Benediction for 5 HP. It seems random to me, but by all means.

Like I said, probably if you hold it for longer than 225 seconds (Which isn't really that long considering it takes most people a minute or two to get their shit together in the scramble) without any damage, he'll get pissed off too. Doing nothing at all also triggers said 2HR's. But I haven't seen any AV attempts recently open with any sort of Chainspell or Manafont. Have you guys? (Seriously tell me if you have)

[Mojo]

We didn't hold it for 225 seconds or any such thing. It literally used Manafont as its very first 2 hour after JoL was dead. I actually have some log files where AV did Manafont maybe 10 seconds after the alliance that was fighting it engaged(they had done 0 damage).

[Belkin]

Are these files or recollections from the past week?

[Spira]

is it me or from the video, if seems like if you zerg him down fast enough he enters a sort of jam-lock phase where he switches between his different modes, rendering him unable to do anything for at least 10seconds? its a short amount of time but takes up a considerable portion of the entire zerg fight.. no?

[Belkin]

It's a natural thing. He does it at 59% then again at 19% I believe. Aern's get glitched like that all the time when they put bracelets on.

[Mojo]

02-08-08

Spoiler: show

[18:42:42] Awpticle starts casting Thundaga III on the Aern's Wynav C.
[18:42:43] Mitia starts casting Thundaga III on the Aern's Wynav A.
[18:42:43] Dzyne starts casting Blizzaga III on the Aern's Wynav C.
[18:42:43] Chubbs starts casting Thundaga III on the Aern's Wynav C.
[18:42:43] Spoof starts casting Blizzaga III on the Aern's Wynav B.
[18:42:44] Yoshihiro starts casting Blizzaga III on the Aern's Wynav B.
[18:42:44] Nolimit starts casting Blizzaga III on the Aern's Wynav C.
[18:42:44] Akuma starts casting Thundaga III on the Aern's Wynav C.
[18:42:45] Skibear starts casting Haste on Skibear.
[18:42:45] Stanislav starts casting Flash on Absolute Virtue.
[18:42:45] Pandaru starts casting Blizzaga III on the Aern's Wynav B.
[18:42:46] Stanislav casts Flash.
[18:42:46] Absolute Virtue is blinded.
[18:42:47] Skibear casts Haste.
[18:42:47] Skibear gains the effect of Haste.
[18:42:49] Nephilim casts Blink.
[18:42:49] Nephilim gains the effect of Blink.
[18:42:49] 1 of Stanislav's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.
[18:42:50] Yoshihiro casts Blizzaga III.
[18:42:50] The Aern's Wynav B takes 717 points of damage.
[18:42:50] The Aern's Wynav C takes 717 points of damage.
[18:42:50] The Aern's Wynav A takes 717 points of damage.
[18:42:50] 1 of Stanislav's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.
[18:42:50] 1 of Stanislav's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.
[18:42:50] Akuma casts Thundaga III.
[18:42:50] The Aern's Wynav C takes 665 points of damage.
[18:42:50] The Aern's Wynav B takes 665 points of damage.
[18:42:50] The Aern's Wynav A takes 665 points of damage.
[18:42:51] The Aern's Wynav C readies Lightning Breath.
[18:42:51] Stanislav starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Stanislav.
[18:42:52] The Aern's Wynav A readies Flame Breath.
[18:42:52] The Aern's Wynav B readies Hydro Breath.
[18:42:52] Skibear starts casting Refresh on Nephilim.
[18:42:52] Pandaru casts Blizzaga III.
[18:42:52] The Aern's Wynav B takes 701 points of damage.
[18:42:52] The Aern's Wynav C takes 701 points of damage.
[18:42:52] The Aern's Wynav A takes 701 points of damage.
[18:42:53] Dzyne casts Blizzaga III.
[18:42:53] The Aern's Wynav C takes 656 points of damage.
[18:42:53] The Aern's Wynav B takes 656 points of damage.
[18:42:53] The Aern's Wynav A takes 656 points of damage.
[18:42:53] Absolute Virtue hits Stanislav for 88 points of damage.
[18:42:53] Spoof casts Blizzaga III.
[18:42:53] The Aern's Wynav B takes 590 points of damage.
[18:42:53] The Aern's Wynav C takes 590 points of damage.
[18:42:53] The Aern's Wynav A takes 590 points of damage.
[18:42:53] Chubbs starts casting Blizzaga II on the Aern's Wynav C.
[18:42:53] Dzyne starts casting Blizzaga II on the Aern's Wynav B.
[18:42:53] Chubbs casts Thundaga III.
[18:42:53] The Aern's Wynav C takes 612 points of damage.
[18:42:53] The Aern's Wynav B takes 612 points of damage.
[18:42:53] The Aern's Wynav A takes 612 points of damage.
[18:42:53] Awpticle casts Thundaga III.
[18:42:53] The Aern's Wynav C takes 624 points of damage.
[18:42:54] The Aern's Wynav B takes 624 points of damage.
[18:42:54] The Aern's Wynav A takes 624 points of damage.
[18:42:54] Cli starts casting Flash on Absolute Virtue.
[18:42:54] Nolimit casts Blizzaga III.
[18:42:54] The Aern's Wynav C takes 535 points of damage.
[18:42:54] The Aern's Wynav B takes 535 points of damage.
[18:42:54] The Aern's Wynav A takes 535 points of damage.
[18:42:55] Mitia casts Thundaga III.
[18:42:55] The Aern's Wynav A takes 578 points of damage.
[18:42:55] The Aern's Wynav C takes 578 points of damage.
[18:42:55] The Aern's Wynav B takes 578 points of damage.
[18:42:55] Pandaru starts casting Blizzaga II on the Aern's Wynav C.
[18:42:56] 1 of Stanislav's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.
[18:42:56] Akuma starts casting Thundaga II on the Aern's Wynav C.
[18:42:56] Mosvani starts casting Refresh on Urdus.
[18:42:56] Skibear casts Refresh.
[18:42:56] Nephilim gains the effect of Refresh.
[18:42:57] Nolimit starts casting Blizzaga II on the Aern's Wynav C.
[18:42:57] The Aern's Wynav B uses Hydro Breath.
[18:42:57] Yoshihiro takes 0 points of damage.
[18:42:57] Awpticle starts casting Thundaga on the Aern's Wynav C.
[18:42:57] The Aern's Wynav C uses Lightning Breath.
[18:42:57] Yoshihiro takes 0 points of damage.
[18:42:57] Wabubu starts casting Mage's Ballad on Wabubu.
[18:42:57] The Aern's Wynav A uses Flame Breath.
[18:42:57] Yoshihiro takes 0 points of damage.
[18:42:57] Awpticle takes 12 points of damage.
[18:42:57] Mitia takes 0 points of damage.
[18:42:58] Mitia takes 0 points of damage.
[18:42:58] Stanislav casts Utsusemi: Ni.
[18:42:58] Stanislav gains the effect of Copy Image.
[18:42:58] Cli casts Flash.
[18:42:58] Absolute Virtue is blinded.
[18:42:58] Mitia takes 0 points of damage.
[18:42:59] 1 of Stanislav's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.
[18:43:00] Doshu starts casting Flash on Absolute Virtue.
[18:43:01] Awpticle's casting is interrupted.
[18:43:01] Chubbs casts Blizzaga II.
[18:43:01] The Aern's Wynav C takes 403 points of damage.
[18:43:01] The Aern's Wynav B takes 403 points of damage.
[18:43:01] The Aern's Wynav A takes 403 points of damage.
[18:43:01] Dzyne casts Blizzaga II.
[18:43:01] The Aern's Wynav B takes 401 points of damage.
[18:43:01] The Aern's Wynav C takes 401 points of damage.
[18:43:01] The Aern's Wynav A takes 401 points of damage.
[18:43:02] 1 of Stanislav's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.
[18:43:02] Dzyne defeats the Aern's Wynav B.
[18:43:02] Dzyne defeats the Aern's Wynav C.
[18:43:02] Dzyne defeats the Aern's Wynav A.
[18:43:02] Cli starts casting Cure III on Stanislav.
[18:43:04] Mosvani casts Refresh.
[18:43:04] Urdus gains the effect of Refresh.
[18:43:04] Doshu casts Flash.
[18:43:04] Absolute Virtue is blinded.
[18:43:04] Stanislav starts casting Utsusemi: Ichi on Stanislav.
[18:43:05] Absolute Virtue hits Stanislav for 321 points of damage.
[18:43:06] Mosvani starts casting Stoneskin on Mosvani.
[18:43:08] Wabubu casts Mage's Ballad.
[18:43:08] Wabubu gains the effect of Ballad.
[18:43:08] Mosvani gains the effect of Ballad.
[18:43:08] Legend gains the effect of Ballad.
[18:43:08] 1 of Cli's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.
[18:43:08] Nephilim starts casting Cure III on Stanislav.
[18:43:08] Doshu starts casting Cure IV on Stanislav.
[18:43:08] Urdus gains the effect of Ballad.
[18:43:09] Wabubu starts casting Mage's Ballad II on Wabubu.
[18:43:10] Cli casts Cure III.
[18:43:10] Stanislav recovers 193 HP.
[18:43:10] Dzyne starts casting Stoneskin on Dzyne.
[18:43:11] 1 of Stanislav's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.
[18:43:11] Urdus starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Urdus.
[18:43:11] Yoshihiro starts casting Stoneskin on Yoshihiro.
[18:43:12] Skibear starts casting Refresh on Stanislav.
[18:43:12] Stanislav casts Utsusemi: Ichi.
[18:43:12] Stanislav gains the effect of Copy Image.
[18:43:13] Cli starts casting Cure III on Stanislav.
[18:43:14] Mosvani casts Stoneskin.
[18:43:14] Mosvani gains the effect of Stoneskin.
[18:43:15] Nephilim casts Cure III.
[18:43:15] Stanislav recovers 242 HP.
[18:43:15] Absolute Virtue uses Manafont.
[18:43:15] Doshu casts Cure IV.
[18:43:15] Stanislav recovers 69 HP.
[18:43:16] 1 of Stanislav's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.
[18:43:16] Skibear casts Refresh.
[18:43:16] Stanislav gains the effect of Refresh.
[18:43:17] Urdus casts Utsusemi: Ni.
[18:43:17] Urdus gains the effect of Copy Image.
[18:43:18] Mitia uses Manafont.
[18:43:19] Dzyne casts Stoneskin.
[18:43:19] Dzyne gains the effect of Stoneskin.
[18:43:19] 1 of Cli's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.
[18:43:20] Wabubu casts Mage's Ballad II.
[18:43:20] Wabubu gains the effect of Ballad.
[18:43:20] Urdus gains the effect of Ballad.
[18:43:20] Cli casts Cure III.
[18:43:20] Stanislav recovers 0 HP.
[18:43:20] Mosvani gains the effect of Ballad.
[18:43:20] Legend gains the effect of Ballad.
[18:43:21] Yoshihiro casts Stoneskin.
[18:43:21] Yoshihiro gains the effect of Stoneskin.
[18:43:21] Cli uses Rampart.
[18:43:21] Cli gains the effect of Defense Boost.
[18:43:21] Weisheit gains the effect of Defense Boost.
[18:43:21] Stanislav gains the effect of Defense Boost.
[18:43:21] Absolute Virtue starts casting Meteor.
[18:43:23] Absolute Virtue casts Meteor.
[18:43:23] Cli takes 0 points of damage.
[18:43:23] Mindgames takes 2154 points of damage.
[18:43:24] Skibear takes 1458 points of damage.
[18:43:24] Akuma takes 0 points of damage.
[18:43:24] Cli starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Cli.
[18:43:24] Wabubu takes 1361 points of damage.
[18:43:24] Weisheit takes 1225 points of damage.
[18:43:24] Nolimit takes 1732 points of damage.
[18:43:24] Nephilim takes 1146 points of damage.
[18:43:24] Mitia takes 1450 points of damage.
[18:43:24] Mosvani takes 1168 points of damage.
[18:43:24] Mogomra takes 2515 points of damage.
[18:43:24] Weisheit was defeated by Absolute Virtue.
[18:43:24] Nolimit was defeated by Absolute Virtue.
[18:43:24] Nephilim was defeated by Absolute Virtue.
[18:43:24] Mitia was defeated by Absolute Virtue.
[18:43:24] Mosvani was defeated by Absolute Virtue.
[18:43:24] Mogomra was defeated by Absolute Virtue.
[18:43:24] Xvyn was defeated by Absolute Virtue.
[18:43:24] Krackle was defeated by Absolute Virtue.
[18:43:25] Xvyn takes 2512 points of damage.
[18:43:25] Krackle takes 2062 points of damage.
[18:43:25] Absolute Virtue hits Cli for 75 points of damage.
[18:43:25] Stanislav takes 859 points of damage.
[18:43:25] Doshu takes 1179 points of damage.
[18:43:25] Mindgames was defeated by Absolute Virtue.
[18:43:25] Skibear was defeated by Absolute Virtue.
[18:43:25] Wabubu was defeated by Absolute Virtue.

So yeah.. before this recent patch, although really those 'speed' comments came from before the patch as well.

[Varrin]

*strategy stuff*

This is very well thought out and makes a lot of sense, I had posted some thoughts about the kill speed link in the old AV thread but it never really went anywhere, however knowing that there is another mob that reacts to damage like this is encouraging.

Hopefully we'll be able to see some testing soon.

[Epical]

is it me or from the video, if seems like if you zerg him down fast enough he enters a sort of jam-lock phase where he switches between his different modes, rendering him unable to do anything for at least 10seconds? its a short amount of time but takes up a considerable portion of the entire zerg fight.. no?

Yeah, Jack mentioned this and I think that's part of the reason why they won so comfortably. They pushed him past the "phase changers", which ties up a total of ~20 seconds (and that's huge in DRK zergs).

[Belkin]

I appreciate the log Mojo, even if it is pre patch. However they did say they nerfed Behavior (which nobody has noticed) and maybe they cleaned up some glitchy type stuff where he would do Manafont right out of the gate.

But I believe it's pretty obvious, no matter how many Fealty/run away strategies you can think of, nobody is meant to survive Manafont Meteor. There is definitely a way to prevent it.

[Aksannyi]

I'd love to see your ls give your strategy a try Belkin, that sounds very difficult and like it does require a lot of skill. Can't wait to see how it holds up.

My take on the entire AV thing is this: We've been satisfied now that we've (as a community) taken him out, and that's great. But I can kind of feel that we all want to know the "intended" way to kill AV. I hope we do find it. People are actually excited about this mob again. I think I can speak for a lot of people when I say that most of us had just given up on AV. Now that it's been beaten to a bloody pulp, there is renewed interest, which is great because we may just figure out what makes it click.

The next few months of testing on AV are gonna be pretty exciting.

[Mojo]

Np. There definitely has to be something that you can do or else it would be impossible. Sorry to be such a debbie downer, lulz.

I hate to say it again and again, but the secret likely lies in whatever correlation there is between AV and followings its two hours with your own. It's quite blatant that's what they're trying to convey in the video.

[Ophannus]

Not sure which is bigger news Kanican soloing Bhaflau Remnants and soloing LBC or AV being taken down...

[Azalee]

What Belkin posted makes a lot of sense... And the whole Patience is a Virtue would totally be some shit that would come from SE just to piss everyone off =P.

I can't wait to see how this goes when AV tries it out. Hurry up on that pop set, I will be on the sidelines watching!

[Spira]

It's a natural thing. He does it at 59% then again at 19% I believe. Aern's get glitched like that all the time when they put bracelets on.

I understand that he does this, but im saying that it is something that works even more to KC DRKs advantage... which follows through with the concept of extreme zerging. The fiercer the zerg (more DRKs) the more dmg you're doing in the same amount of time, but beyond just that, it gets easier because he will 'act less' in a greater part of that time spent zerging due to the form changes...

btw. i love your theory i think its pretty sound. Hopefully it will lead to AV finally being solved and people having non KC drk options to kill him as well. I mean.. KC drk is fine and all, but not all LS have that many KC drks, nor would they wish to always do it that way.

i'm also hazarding a guess that the kill speed changes when he changes forms.. perhaps it becomes more lenient

[Demonic]

Not sure which is bigger news Kanican soloing Bhaflau Remnants and soloing LBC or AV being taken down...

WHAT!?

brb finding this.

[Aksannyi]

And the whole Patience is a Virtue would totally be some shit that would come from SE just to piss everyone off =P.

Yeah, I agree with this. SE would say something like that.