Absolute Virtue ~ 9/8/08

[Ruiner]

Just because you have enough KClubs DRKs or whatever doesn't make you one of the "best" linkshells. And before anyone says anything... no!... I'm not saying that any of the shells that have beaten it like this are not quality shells. I applaud them and they should be proud of their victories.

But you intimate that any LS that can do this is automatically is one of the "best" shells? I think not.

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Look at the shells that've killed it so far, would you not say that they're at the top of the bell curve when it comes to successfulness in FFXI?

While you're correct that lots of Kclubs does not equal good linkshell, the linkshells that have the means to procure lots of Kclubs generally get them because they're successful.

[ronin sparthos]

Just because you have enough KClubs DRKs or whatever doesn't make you one of the "best" linkshells. And before anyone says anything... no!... I'm not saying that any of the shells that have beaten it like this are not quality shells. I applaud them and they should be proud of their victories.

But you intimate that any LS that can do this is automatically is one of the "best" shells? I think not.

The general idea is that only a certain 'tier' of LS will be able to do this which i guess would satisfy the SE idea that this monster should never be put on farm status like Kings, Wyrms, Kirin etc.

Best? Best really isnt the correct word for this situation, more like the well-off shells (alot of this comes down to luck but again... so much in the game is luck) will be able to do this while the masses will sit back and wish they could. Then again isnt that how the game already is? How many socials are popping tier 4 ZNM, doing JOLs, raiding Wyrms etc etc?

[Ruiner]

The general idea is that only a certain 'tier' of LS will be able to do this which i guess would satisfy the SE idea that this monster should never be put on farm status like Kings, Wyrms, Kirin etc.

Best? Best really isnt the correct word for this situation, more like the well-off shells (alot of this comes down to luck but again... so much in the game is luck) will be able to do this while the masses will sit back and wish they could. Then again isnt that how the game already is? How many socials are popping tier 4 ZNM, doing JOLs, raiding Wyrms etc etc?

^

Put it better than I did.

[Priran]

I don't see why people are complaining about KC zerging AV. SE has basically proven they just don't give a fuck; they still expect us to figure out whatever harebrained weakening method their devs came up with and provided no hints for aside from a worthless video that proves nothing other than that the FFXI dev team is constantly tripping balls.

They're never going to fix AV, so stop complaining before they make him unbeatable again.

[dys0r]

On a totally unrelated note, does anyone which NPC lets you get your Virtuous Saint title back?

[Priran]

Probably either Mhaura/Selbina or the one in Safehold.

[Hyan]

They're never going to fix AV, so stop complaining before they make him unbeatable again.

They might have, but is anyone going to test it? nawp.

[Therin]

Awsomeland from Odin on it again. First one dead, alot more to go. Around 35min from JoL pop to AV death.

Drops for BBQ:

Sash
Rod
Aureole
Bellona's

Wooooooo, keep going!

[Priran]

He still has his 79% and 59% modes as well as access to all of his 2hours so I'm going to go with "it isn't fixed, all they did was lower his HP and add a depop timer".

[Ruiner]

They might have, but is anyone going to test it? nawp.

What, behaviorally, has changed about AV?

[ronin sparthos]

I don't see why people are complaining about KC zerging AV. SE has basically proven they just don't give a fuck; they still expect us to figure out whatever harebrained weakening method their devs came up with and provided no hints for aside from a worthless video that proves nothing other than that the FFXI dev team is constantly tripping balls.

They're never going to fix AV, so stop complaining before they make him unbeatable again.

He already is unbeatable so i dont see why they would ever 'fix' him. Kclubs are so rare that the zerg method is pretty much off the table for 99.99% of shells who spawn it anyway.

All a fix would prove is that SE does not intend for AV to be killed at all and we'll be back in '06 all over again.

Currently the rarity that the devs wanted oh so fucking badly is still preserved and the shells that have access to kclubs (which can take years to get legitly) can get their AV loot that puts them above the rest - everyone is happy, sorta.

On the side, this forces rival shells to 'work together' (read: pool the tools of zerg) in attempts to get AV loot if they arent well off enough to have the magic amount. This also plays into the SE vision of people working together in harmony and bliss.

I dont see why SE would nerf this when they already have won the game known as AV multiple times.

[Lonewind]

all they did was lower his HP and add a depop timer".

seems like so much "thought" has been put into it by the dev team, good job SE..

[ronin sparthos]

seems like so much "thought" has been put into it by the dev team, good job SE..

All they did was securely cover their asses from the bad press.

[Hyriu]

don't forget the draw in!

[Drako]

we are never going to find out the secret to kill AV "legit", all ppl will do now is try to zerg it in different ways (actually for different i just mean different drk weapons..)

[Sanjiyan]

we are never going to find out the secret to kill AV "legit", all ppl will do now is try to zerg it in different ways (actually for different i just mean different drk weapons..)

As much as I hate to say it, qft.

[ronin sparthos]

As much as I hate to say it, qft.

People tried for 3 years and it hasnt gone anywhere - why would this change with last weeks update?

AV wasnt remade last week, simply the HP was lowered, regen slightly not as harsh and the timer set in place but how does that stop the main problems with AV? Namely Manafont, Benediction, Latent Modes etc.

Maybe if AV only 2hr'd once, twice or even thrice each that legit strategies could be formed but as of now hes no different in terms of cockblock than he was years ago. SE put him into zerg territory but he is still impossible in terms of taking on normally.

[Ploid]

Btw, my posts in this thread about the zerging wasn't me wanting them nerfed, but more of a paranoid that SE will do something based on past AV kills. I care not about zerg and the state of zerg.

[Trolll]

SE should have made it a longer but more easier fight. Make it something like 4 hours and still keep it challenging but make it so he doesn't always rape everyone that tries. That way only people that are serious about taking him down kill him. Taking 30 seconds to take down the biggest mob in a game is bullshit. It shouldn't matter how much gil/gear you have to invest in the fight, it should be doable to almost any LS with practice.

Don't get me wrong though, this isn't the fault of the people zerging. This is SE's fault for making AV the way it is.

[Priran]

since there presumably is some way to lock his modes/2hours and fight him legit, something like the scholar freelance added this patch or even a tribune article that gave AV a backstory with some hint about how to beat him would be nice.

but SE is too lazy, so it's zerg or bust